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DXM & Cannabis -- 354mg, experienced -- The Three Mile High Electric Jesus

bluedolphin

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My relationship with DXM has changed dramatically since I first tried it about two years ago. At first, I used it as an interesting and more intense alternative to cannabis. But it wasn't long before I discovered that DXM was really a powerful dissociative/psychedelic, and there was a time when I drank cough syrup every other weekend with the hope of spending some quality OBE time. During that period I had several friends who also liked DXM, so we would trip together in a dorm room. However, I soon discovered mdma, shrooms, LSA, and LSD. For some reason I thought of these drugs as "superior", so my DXM use was limited to times when I couldn't get anything else, or maybe on the occasional whim. But about four months ago I had my first cannabis panic attack while peaking on DXM. I thought I would die for about 2 hours, and it scared the shit out of me. Since then I have not looked upon DXM as recreational, but as a more serious tool.

A few weeks ago I took DXM with my buddy Trees and we both had a great experience. While peaking he played drums and I played guitar, and we busted out one of the sickest jams ever. Seriously, I wish we had recorded that. I always though the DXM hightened the powers of the mind both logically and creatively, but I never thought it could go so far as to temporarily make me a true guitar guru.

Well last night I was feeling particularly antisocial due to some complex events that have been going on in my life. Since DXM is a drug that is experienced mainly internally, and is an *excellent* meditative tool, I have become fond of taking it alone. So I rode my bike up to our local megastore and grab a 4oz bottle of RoboMax Cough. This is 354mg of DXM, and I've found this amount to be all I need to usually at least touch in on low 3rd plateau (especially if I have some good herb to go with it). The girl at the register isn't much older than me, and she gives me a smiling saying "Have a fun night!"... of course the whole time I'm at the register I'm pretending to have the sniffles and a congested throat. I guess I didn't fool her!

So I drink it down in two gulps around 9:00pm and watch an episode of The Family Guy. I also eat 500mg of magnesium, because earlier that night I read on the Dextroverse that it could potentiate the effects of DXM. Then for the next hour and a half I watch some of Rushmore, but then get distracted by some stuff going on in another drug-related message board site.

By 11:00 I'm still not feeling that much from the DXM, except maybe a slightly altered through process and a buzz. "Good", I think... the best DXM trips always take a while to develop. I always prefer a nice smooth takeoff. So I lay down on my bed and practice some meditation. While I'm doing this I can feel the DXM take hold very slowly and gradually. I can feel my body being "pulled" to one side, likewise my brain feels like it is being held on to by a large hand. CEV's start to manifest themselves in the form of fuzzy photos and animations that aren't yet making much sense.

11:30 comes and its time to smoke a bowl. I know from experience that smoking a bowl right now will kick me up a solid notch. So I spark it up, smoke it, and turn off the lights in my room. I turn on a black light and play Sound Tribe Sector 9 on my computer. Then I lay down on my bed.

At this point I was dropped off into the most intense and amazing dissociative/psychedelic experience I've had. I lost all track of time. I actually asked myself "What time is it?" and I couldn't even guess because the concept of time made no sense to me. I could, however, tell that I hadn't fully reached my peak yet.

I continued my meditation, and as I was drifting through imaginary space I suddenly heard a *pop*. I opened my eyes and in front of me was a beach, above me were bright blue skies, to one side was a palm tree, and to the other side was a girl in a beach chair. This was all quite clear in my vision, except everything seemed like it was made out of clay, like in a Wallace and Grommit movie or something. Even though my eyes were wide open, the actually appearance of my room had been rendered completely irrelevant. Since I was having very little mental confusion, and instead was feeling a LOT of contentment and acceptance, I enjoyed my 5-minute vacation at a Hawaiian beach. There is something about the DXM-space that makes me feel like I am "home". And that is the primary reason why I intentionally do not use DXM very often.

Every note of the music was connected with my thought and visualization, and every song provided a new theme.

The beach had dissapeared, as once again I was able to make out the rough boudaries of my room, even though they were melting, dripping, and sliding. I closed my eyes and noticed that the CEV's could also easily be produced with my eyes open, and with no effort at all they could become my entire vision. Around this point I noticed something glowing at the foot of my bed, and coming closer very slowly. Soon I could make out a human-like figure, made of electric currents and fiber-optic-like pulses for arteries and viens.

It was Jesus. And this was the second time that Jesus had come to me in DXM-space. During my DXM-weed panic attack from hell 4 months ago, I spent about 15 minutes conversing with Jesus, asking him to spare my life. Since I thought I was going to die, I thought Jesus had spared my life. Normally I am not religious, but in DXM-space I am a believer in the power of Christ.

As the electric Jesus continued to come closer and closer I noticed that he was rediculously huge, until he finally came to a stop standing right above me. This electic-pulsing-current Jesus was miles high and I was amazed at all the energy flowing through him as I was wholly consumed by this vision. Soon Jesus flew up into space, and I slowly followed him (at this point my body was basically irrelevant)... I found myself in a space-grid and saw a reflective door in space. I drifted closer to it and realized it was in fact the Hubble Telescope. I can't really explain what it was like because of the complexity, but it was basically some kind of rotating telescope/door in space. I have no idea what it meant, and I wondered where Jesus had gone.

There were several other visions and out of body experiences that night, but as always I am only able to remember a few of them.

The comedown was spent listening to Brian Eno's "Music for Airports" as I watched the bizzare photorealistic scenarios play out behind my eyelids.

This is my best DXM trip to date. It offered a level of intensity and comfort that can't be easily acheived with many drugs. There was no point during the trip when I thought that it wasn't 100% pleasant, and I had no negative side effects except for feeling a little warm (so I turned on the fan in my room, problem solved) and a little bit of stomach churning (though no nausea or discomfort).

DXM is the most underrated drug there is. What I experienced last night was absolutely mind blowing.
 
I love DXM as well.

Try getting your hands on some of the pure powder DXM.

It's a completely different trip (at least in my opinion) than syrup.
 
Sounds interesting.

My only comment is that Eno's "Music for Airports" is really good music (or sound?) to listen to on the way down.
 
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> DXM is the most underrated drug there is
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True. Ibogaine is probably the most overrated drug there is, from all indications.
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Namaste,
Cliff
 
mw.stoner: I would completely agree, powder is a completely different trip. Unfortunately it feels like a much dirtier, confused "fuck up" rather than the smooth and deep syrup trips I've had. I wish I could gel cap a dose of powder and enjoy it nearly as much as a bottle of syrup, but I can't.

Walkaway: Do you think Ibogaine is overrated in terms of its use for addiction therapy?

and yes, I often play Music For Airports while tripping =)
 
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> Walkaway: Do you think Ibogaine is overrated in terms of its
> use for addiction therapy?
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I think that DXM would prove just as useful as ibogaine in addiction therapy, and I think that ibogaine is overly toxic. I don't claim this is proven fact, but I'm prepared to defend my opinions. :)
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Namaste,
Cliff
 
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How do you think DXM would be useful for addiction therapy? Personally I've found DXM to be mildly psychologically addictive (even after long breaks in use I eventually have the urge to try it again). Furthermore, I have a friend who is addicted to dipping tobacco, and he's been known to dip during a DXM trip.

But I am genuinely curious as to your ideas on DXM addiction therapy.
 
Ive taken 500mg of the pure DXM and smoked about half a gram an hour later, unfortunately, my dad woke up a minute later and saw that I was completely out of my mind, and both of my parents yelled at me before telling me that they would discuss it with me in the morning, and I knew they were going to be PISSED(Like were sending you to military school pissed) This was a horrible experience, but it was a very different perspective on this kind of trip that I had only experienced at smaller doses before. Im sure I would have had more hallucinations like bluedolphin did in his trip, but I was completely focused on what my parents were going to do, and that probably weakened the experience quite a bit. I did see a lot of stuff, the most prominent im my memory being a whole lattice arrangement of technicolor vines with mouthes and bug-eyes. I plan to try this again in a better environment(liker a friends house), and with a clear mindset.

BTW, the morning after my parents only thought I had smoked pot, they had no idea about the DXM, and thats a good thing, as I wouldnt want them to know about that at all, plus I would have been fucked for sure if they made me surrender a bag of white powder!
 
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> How do you think DXM would be useful for addiction therapy?
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Therapeutic Uses of NMDA Antagonists
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Also:
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Bisaga, A., Gianelli, P., Popik, P. Opiate Withdrawal with
Dextromethorphan American Journal of Psychiatry. 154 (1997):584
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Bisaga, Adam and Popik, Piotr. In search of a New Pharmacological
Treatment for Drug and Alcohol Addiction: N-methyl-D-aspartate
(NMDA) antagonists Drug and Alcohol Dependence 59 (2000): 1-15
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Eur J Pharmacol 2002 Mar 1;438 (1-2) : 99-105
Glick SD, Maisonneuve IM, Kitchen BA, Fleck MW.

Center for Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience, Albany Medical College
(MC-136), 47 New Scotland Avenue, 12208, Albany, NY, USA

Abstract:

Quote:

"The iboga alkaloid ibogaine and the novel iboga alkaloid congener 18-methoxycoronaridine are putative anti-addictive agents. Using patch-clamp methodology, the actions of ibogaine and 18-methoxycoronaridine at various neurotransmitter receptor ion-channel subtypes were determined. Both ibogaine and 18 methoxycoronaridine were antagonists at alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors and both agents were more potent at this site than at alpha4beta2 nicotinic receptors or at NMDA or 5-HT receptors; 18 methoxycoronaridine was more selective in this regard than ibogaine. In studies of morphine and methamphetamine self-administration, the effects of low dose combinations of 18-methoxycoronaridine with mecamylamine or dextromethorphan and of mecamylamine with dextromethorphan were assessed. Mecamylamine and dextromethorphan have also been shown to be antagonists at alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors. All three drug combinations decreased both morphine and methamphetamine self-administration at doses that were ineffective if administered alone. The data are consistent with the hypothesis that antagonism at alpha3beta4 receptors is a potential mechanism to modulate drug seeking behavior. 18-methoxycoronaridine apparently has greater selectivity for this site than other agents and may be the first of a new class of synthetic agents acting via this novel mechanism to produce a broad spectrum of anti-addictive activity."
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I think that the combination of psychological activity and activity at sites would make DXM more useful than 18-methoxycoronaridine, but that's just a hunch. What is needed is testing, and unfortunately, DXM Psychedelic Therapy has no known backers at this point other than me. Think of me as the Howard Lotsof of DXM.
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> Personally I've found DXM to be mildly psychologically addictive
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I feel that psychological addiction is spurious 'scientific' speak for liking something.
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> Furthermore, I have a friend who is addicted to dipping
> tobacco, and he's been known to dip during a DXM trip.
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From my personal experience and from scores of reports at the T3P and other sites, DXM seems to negatively affect many smoker's desire to smoke while using it. Many people report having used it successfully as a stop smoking aid, myself among them. I know several heroin addicts who experienced interruption of physiological dependence and resolution of the psychological issues underlying their use after single sessions with DXM. I've seen anecdotal reports from more. These, combined with the literature cited above, leads me to suspect that DXM has great potential in this indication, but I think that the clinical tests may be hampered by using low doses in an effort to disrupt the physiological mechanisms of dependence while avoiding the psychological effects. A combination of both would doubtless prove more effective. I would note that this is all still preliminary, and should not be taken as established fact. I would also note that ibogaine is not universally successful in the treatment of addiction, and that ibogaine seems, on the basis of a number of reports, to be quite toxic.
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Namaste,
Cliff
 
Interesting thread.
Very good report bluedolphin.. I may give DXM another chance, make sure I have plenty of weed though.
 
NIce report, I have always been precarious of DXM because of its property of a dissociative and the fact i think correct me if im wrong that it gives you brain damage or something, after reading that though it sounds pretty awesome. I dunno if i could be like you and get little or no nausea and a couple of my friends have had violent vomiting on this substance. Sounds like a great experience wish i was there in your headspace when jesus took you to the hubble telescope!

iopener
 
bluedolphin said:
The girl at the register isn't much older than me, and she gives me a smiling saying "Have a fun night!"... of course the whole time I'm at the register I'm pretending to have the sniffles and a congested throat. I guess I didn't fool her!
:D My favorite part, lol.

Very interesting report here. I'm intrigued by the concepts of meaninglessness of time, and being projected into a completely different, and engulfing, world. Something of a dream... I myself would like to experience a full-on 3rd plateau trip, but I think I'm going to wait some time before I try.
 
bluedolphin said:
mw.stoner: I would completely agree, powder is a completely different trip. Unfortunately it feels like a much dirtier, confused "fuck up" rather than the smooth and deep syrup trips I've had. I wish I could gel cap a dose of powder and enjoy it nearly as much as a bottle of syrup, but I can't.
^^ Somehow I missed this point the last time I read this thread. I've only ever done DXM in powdered form, since I always assumed it would be essentially the same and easier to ingest. But I do feel that the trips, esp. at higher levels, feel very dirty and fucked up.

Anyone else tried both and preferred the syrup? I'm almost thinking about trying it just to compare for myself.
 
First Post!!! :)

Im thinking that the dirty "edge" the powder has might be taken away by the small amount of alcohol in the syrups - However I have not tried both to compare.

I liked this one when I first read it and even more now that I read it again.

As always a great report and read BlueDolphin. I thoroughly enjoy reading your reports, and look forward to new ones.
 
Great Report as always man. Do you think that taking the magnesium could have made a big difference. Also do all cough syrups have DXM in them, if not which ones. Peace
 
You, sir, have just made confirmed my next DXM experience. Previously, I promised myself there would be only one, because I 'think' I don't like the stuff much. But now that I realize how much of a Ketamine fanatic I have become in the past year, I think I will be able to appreciate the DXM headspace much, much more.
 
Yeah, this was a great report man. I havent done Dex in a few years, but this report has made me think about doing it again soon. I prefer doing a water extraction of Sucrets coughdrops. It's my favorite way to consume DXM, and i get the same trip as with powder.

How do you think i got this name?
 
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