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Benzos Drugs other than benzos that calm you down?

pontifex01 said:
Also there's been some debate regarding the "addictiveness" of benzodiazepines v. opiates. While we all know benzos are addictive I think it's contentious to say they're "just as addictive" as opiates; people who believe this are ignoring just how fucking Fast opiate tolerance goes up, and the very important fact that opiate physical dependency sets in within the first week of continual use, whereas benzodiazepines are Much more forgiving.

People on this forum are also very fond of stressing that benzo WDs can cause seizures, however these aren't nearly as common as the bad rep talk on this forum would have one believe.
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pontifex01 said:
I don't really understand whether you're trying to start an argument or why you would take something like this apparently personally. Perhaps you've never experienced benzo withdrawal. In any case I can't call to mind any evidence that would support the proposition that opiate dependence presents more rapidly than benzo dependence; the thing is that benzos perhaps as a rule - in the dependence context - are initially used more often than opiates in ways that are medically legitimate, by people who don't know they're abusing drugs or seeking recreational enjoyment or are in denial, so that the addiction takes longer to accrue. I think this is in the nature of the drug: opiates are hard and intense and complete whereas benzos can be used incidentally to augment particular functions or enhance areas in life, so in practice addiction to the former might tend to manifest more quickly and expectedly, but often sort of 'creep up' in the case of the latter. But, physiologically speaking, I think the argument's without any real basis. One WD is hard and fast, the other moderate and long.

As for the anti-depressant issue: they definitely can and do help with anxiety, but clearly in a sense removed from the way that benzos, opiates (etc.) operate. You don't for example generally feel intoxicated on modern anti-depressant medication and they don't begin to function for a few weeks, but if we're talking strictly about the elimination of anxieties, and not the addition of anything else, directly or by way of side-effects, they are probably the best drug-type available.

I'm not convinced that nicotine has the ability to make any person noticeably more anxious unless they're consuming alot of it, which it seems you're not? Peace, S.
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my question is which med is gunna make me content to sit & concertreate for 2 hrs without wanting to get up & move around like i have mania. valium isnt helping tried other benzos like xanax just made me wanna go out & socialize like alcohol but not as bad. i like valium lowers anxiety & all but doesnt make me settled to chill by myself.
I want a med i can get scripted so dont say heroin or something rediculous like that

will ssris help of are they guna make me restless too? (which are the most calming ssris) cuz these maybe be the only practicale long-term solution?

which benzo u rekon im thinkin temazepam but that made me drowsy (wanna be calm but not manic)? not as strong as xanax but doesnt make me wanna go around talkin to everyone as much as vals but doesnt feel as nutural to me.
what do ppl think of kpins?

tried tramadol for extended period of time & prob made me less restless than valium but didnt
feel natural & made me kinda uncon fertably stimulated. (id rather codeine)

anyone had experiences with a good med i can try so I can sit fucken still. & not wanna go outside to smoke every 10 mins. or contantly makin cups of tea.
no weird exontic drugs, want something i can practically use & actually can get scripted.
unfortunetely i dont think they script anything im after as a med.
hydrocodone would sound good but i aint gettin that fpr anxiety am i!
I want the most calm shit that isnt gunna make me mega tired or wanna go to bed & be able to go around doing by daily tasks calmly without always feeling like im in a rush.

any medication suggestions?
mirtazepine?, the z drugs?, some doxylamine every night b4 bed? anything?
lol, i think im hopin for a perfect med out for me & my expectations are to high
 
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axe battler said:
More 'sedating' alcoholic beverages (ones which lie heavier on your stomach so you dont get drink as quickly) such as red wine, a bloody mary, or a really fine whisky all have the effect of making me tired.
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Elaborate on this. I'm very interested in the effects of different alcohols. Which ones would be considered "stimulating"? What do you mean by heavier? Not doubting you whatsoever, just very interested.


Also, to answer to the original topic: Alcohol.
 
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Pwninator said:
I might be down to try an SSRI again, I was on one of those in the past but discontinued it eventually. I was taking 20 mg citalopram a day. It made me feel kind of... weird sometimes. Not sure how to explain it. Kind of restless? Did help with anxiety... a little. It wasn't enough. Sometimes I noticed a really calm heightened mood feeling but not like the manic sort of state I've been in lately. Sure isn't good for the sex drive though, I didn't like that.
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IME, ssri's dull you down and make you a zombie. i tried 3 different onesover a year and a half. none helped what it should have(anxiety) for some reason my doc will not prescribe me benzos. i know benzos would do the trick cause well, im a drug user lol. i live in FL too and its odd i cant get whatever the fuck i want. hmmmm....
 
If you put your case to a doctor he'll tell you to exercise, or advise to to pick up some herbal shit. Maybe you should try natural compounds first, teas and shit. I would say that temazepam is among the heavier, more sedating benzos, but no doctor will give it to you unless you mention something about disturbed sleep.

How serious is this issue of yours? Are you literally and constantly unable to just be yourself quietly and comfortably? I think if you use a 'quick-fix'-type drug (opiate, benzo etc.), any relief you derive will be short-lived and almost certainly worsen when you attempt not to use the drug, or to give it up. Why don't you do some exercise and get some chamomile tea? This sounds like a legitimate and honest problem so maybe you should talk it over with a practitioner? S
 
Phenibut. It's over the counter, easily found online (best bought in powdered form for next to nothing) and it is one of the few drugs I've ever encountered that actually decreases all forms of anxiety.

When I take benzos, my body feels relaxed, yet I always feel tired with no noticeable mood lift. Temazepam may be the exception to that, but the others are mostly like that unless mixed with other drugs (dxm or opiates are a great mixer bith benzos).

After trying phenibut, on the other hand, I went to a club and found that I had NO desire whatsoever to drink. I felt no anxiety whatsoever, and hence my desire to drink was non existant.

Lyrica and Gabapentin are also excellent at this. More euphoric and relaxing than benzos, IME.
 
Benzos are just as addicting and their withdrawls can actually kill you.. much like alcohol withdrawal... but I also find Clonazepam makes me the chillest.. wafers taken sublingually.. but 2mgs may be too much for you depending on your tolerance.
 
9ixakix9 said:
Benzos are just as addicting and their withdrawls can actually kill you.. much like alcohol withdrawal... but I also find Clonazepam makes me the chillest.. wafers taken sublingually.. but 2mgs may be too much for you depending on your tolerance.
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m8 besides the last week i havnt had benzos for like 8 months but i can tell u i must be a freat because the feeling is extremely subtile.
half a cone would fuck me up 10 times more than any amount of benzos.
ive never taken mass amounts but juding from the doses ive tried having a coffee would out weight the high of any of does of benzo they plateu at a mild sedation.
 
what is strange to me is that a drug with such weak/subtile effects can potentiall have such devestating w/ds. it's so weird its like drinking tea every day than quitting & maybe having a chance of intenese w/d. completely doesnt make sense

when im talkin about benzos im mainly refering to vals.... i dont know about xanqax ive had it b4 & maybe if taken in large amounts could make me a but sleepy but its effects are still subtile compared to weed or alcohol.
 
Have you tried ADHD meds? Also, this might sound weird but I take benadryl when I am really anxious or restless.. and for some reason it makes me chill out and become sleepy...?
 
Mr.Slaves said:
Does a bear shit in the woods?!?!

It doesn't really calm you down as it reduces anxiety. You can still feel stressed but not anxious. I hope that makes sense.
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A bear can also shit on the road, or next to an abandoned cabin right next to a dried up river.
Just because the creature happens to be a bear does not mean that all bears spend most of their time in the woods.

Diphenhydramine HCL really helps calm the ol nerves
 
Hmmm...alcohol, valerian root, kava and barbiturates affect the same neurotransmitter as benzos (GABA), so those will be your closest bet.

Aside from that, opiates and anti-seizure drugs like GABApentin or Lyrica also have a relaxing effect for many people. Antihistamines, sedatives (Ambien/Lunesta), muscle relaxants (Flexeril) and strong indica strains of weed are less similar but also relaxing.
 
Indica dom weed does it for me. Opiates are the shit but will grab you by the balls, they are too good. Kratom will calm you down. Try drinking one beer and popping like one valium. Its dangerous to mix alcohol and benzos but small doses r fine.
 
i was on seroquel, it makes you want to sleep. it gets you "high" but its not fun at all. stay away from anti psychotics
 
I am prescribed benzos (Klonopin 1mg b.i.d) but when I run out of the kpins or forget them at home I am also prescribed Somas and Neurontin and those work great for dealing with stress. I find Somas to be a little sedating because I usually take a couple at a time but its still not a benzo. Only problem is high dose Soma use might make you fail a DT for a barbiturate.
 
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