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Ninae

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I know this is not the most uncontroversial topic and am not really interested in hearing the type of response telling me how crazy I am, but anyone who has anything of value to contribute I would be grateful for.

Basically I have now struggled with periods of drug-abuse and addiction for a long time (about 10 years). Though mostly on and off again poly-drug use which has avoided addiction to any one drug, although that also has happened, but it's more an addiction to taking any kind of drug itself (for the emotional effect and escape - this is not exactly rocket science).

Anyway, I have never been psychic in the sense of being able to see or communicate with ghosts or spirit, and I think there's a good reason for this. i.e. I don't have the nerve for it, it would be too much for my mind to take, and I would probably have a psychotic break and be unable to go on living. But I'm aware it's a common spiritual belief that using drugs in any way or form will lead to spiritual possession, which is explained in terms of lost or evil spirits (even "demons"), or basically spirits on the spiritual plane who are not happy where they are. In other words, not in heaven but in some individual form of hell or purgatory, for any reason.

And these souls are so desperately unhappy and unable to do anything to help themselves so the only option they can see is attaching themselves to the aura of a living human in a parasitic way, sucking energy and emotions from them, and taking part in their experiences like they were their own. I assume this would either be to someone living a happy life they would like to live, or someone in positive circumstances, or a drug-user so they can take part in the high. Basically a form of escape from them.

Though I find this very unpleasent concept and haven't liked to dwell on it or consider it as being true, though I suppose it makes sense enough, if you seriously consider it. I also had some healing sessions with a friend of my sister, who is very psychic and able to heal and communicate with the spiritual world in a direct way that I can't. Anyway, when she worked on me, and I also recall being high on Lyrica at the time, she said there were 500 entities attached to me. She was working with Jesus and Archangel Michael who she said on stood in front of me and the other behind me (this I can believe as they're both supposed to be able to duplicate themselves or be everywhere at the same time).

She was only able to remove something over a hundred the first time, and said they said it would be dangerous to remove any more. Then it took one or two more sessions to remove the rest. She said the last 5 were very hard to get to go, and it seemed as if they had had gruesome lives, like being in prison. It makes sense that's the kind of beings that would like to attach themselves to a human to take part in their drug-high.

So what do you all think of this? I don't have so much problem with the concept itself, but the high number really astounds me. I would have thought it would be more something like 5-10 if it was to happen. But if this is actually the case it explains how addiction and drug-abuse can be so difficult to break and have such a hard hold on us. Not only is there the physical and psychological addiction to deal with, and the harmful spiritual effects on yourself, but even a massive number of other souls relying on your drug use and needing it to continue, torturing you and trying to say you in any way they can, and also making you take part in THEIR pain and addiction.

If this is the case it astounds me how much the human spirit is supposed to be able to take and how much strength we are required to have, and I think we are entitled to complain sometimes, as for sure it's not the only challenge we are faced with in human life. Either way, I think just the possibility of this is enough reason to make you reconsider your drug-use or any type of involvement with drugs at all. And it's also not like I'm the only one with this tale to tell, if you look you can find endless examples of it.

P.S. Sorry for the length of this post, just couldn't seem to fit it into anything shorter.
 
Was the removal service free? Bad enough buying your own drugs without having to share with some scallys spirit getting high off you.
Book me in for a cleansing :)
 
Yea, but unfortunately I don't think there's much use if you continue using drugs. They will just re-attach themselves or get new ones. Same as you don't get rid of your psychological issues or change your life situation. The reason they want to attach themselves is still there. And unless you're spiritually strong enough to be able to fight them off for yourself you're stuck with them. There seems little you can do except keep yourself pure on all levels so there's nothing to attract negative spirits but just positive ones.

If this is true I suspect much of human evil doesn't even orignate with ourselves but these spirits. But we are also to blame for creating the conditions allowing them to attach in the first place.
 
I have never heard of this. But it's making me think about all the "unhappy spirits" ive gotten high. Pssh free loaders.:|
 
You know that there is obviously deeper, more concerning problems with those we use the ugly term 'psychic vampires" (y'know, could be seen as anti-semitic), but you have small chance of resolving those problems through the psychic channels without the span of years to do it in..
 
The only way you'll ever know the truth about it is investigating it yourself and not through a medium, who may be getting false readings or just taking money from you. If you're not prepared to confront the possibility of entities then it would probably be best not to investigate lol.

I have no doubts about entities existing and being able to infest a persons mental sphere. Deviant sexual acts, murder, there's a few other ways you would open up a channel to these things besides using substances or alcohol. It is entirely possible that a child can become infected because of their parents or those around them when younger and these things continue to dominate the life of the child for their entire life.. what you can not see you can not deal with.

The only way to prevent this is a form of purity. But it's difficult because where do you start when your entire culture no longer even accepts the existence of these lifeforms! I don't think there's reason to be afraid though.. these things are just lifeforms looking to survive, just like you are.. they just have an advantage that they can see you but you can't see them.
 
If you want a bible-plug, Legion! too many faces to feed argh.

I think it's our duty while we're alive and vital to feed all these little demons. Do you feel better or different after the "purging" your sister gave you?
 
But I'm aware it's a common spiritual belief that using drugs in any way or form will lead to spiritual possession, which is explained in terms of lost or evil spirits

What?!?
I don't know of any culture in which this is a "common spiritual belief".

You have to have some rational way of justifying your beliefs. There is no evidence of any of this. Drug addiction isn't cause by demons and evil spirits. It is caused by stimulation of certain parts of the brain responsible for reward and such.

Anyway, If you are having drug problems, I hope you can work your way through them.
 
This thread sounds like something you'd read scrawled on the wall of a mental institution

Addiction is horrible, try to come to terms with that in a more scientifically proven way. By any chance is it meth you're addicted to? Or another stim?

Don't let people push you further from reality, especially if they make money from "exercising" you
 
Short version: Addicts are not possessed by evil spirits. This is a ridiculous claim. They have a medical illness that modern medicine knows about and can address.

If I had $10 for every time someone told me that they got diagnosed by some charlatan as having "entities" attached to them, I'd be rich by now. I live on the west coast of North America and this claim is disturbingly common. If someone told you that you are possessed by evil spirits and this is the root of your addiction, then you are being sold a gallon of koolaid and you should not drink it.

I've read a lot of occult literature on spirit possession, especially from the perspective of Vodun in Africa. I don't believe spiritual possession is possible, and even if it is, the writings from many different cultures around the world say that it is extremely rare. The Catholic Church with its mystic practice of exorcism says it is so rare that they only have a handful of documented cases spanning several hundred years, though they get flooded with thousands of requests for exorcisms yearly. No doubt by the same kinds of people as the one working on you.

In many cultures that use psychedelics as a shamanic tool, it is understood that the plant medicines can open you up to a spiritual world that you must be prepared for. Some of those cultures frame illnesses in the form of spiritual attacks that must be purged, but IMO this has more to do with preparing the psychology of the tripper through ceremony to address their own mental health -- which is what psychedelics are really doing: addressing you in a deep psychological way. You might be opening yourself up for MENTAL trauma if you have a bad trip, but your soul is not at stake.

The whole spiritual possession thing as a medical diagnosis mainly exists in communities where people are completely ignorant of medical diagnosis, such as in sub saharan Africa. If you have a faith healer working on you who says Jesus and Archangels are standing around you - to what, purge you of evil? - then your friend is sorely delusional. It's one thing to use those beings as a visual tool to help you feel better, but it's another to say that they are there to perform a medical service.

From my own field of practice I do acknowledge that energy disturbances in the body are possible, but it's not due to spiritual attacks. It's just your own body ailing and needing some kind of help.
 
I used to go by a very rational set when viewing things, but I now believe it is possible that whatever it is referred to might be seen as demons, or bad spirits. It is hard to explain... But I just wouldn't rule it out completely. I don't however think that they are what we might initially view them as. They are, but to give it any merit in this world, it needs to have some anchors in rationality. Without that, it is simply neglectful.

I also believe that even "spirits" must abide by the rational. It is a matter, and manner of seeing it. I am still a man with great respect for science, not that I am in any way knowing, but I understand the basics. I just think there might be more to beliefs in spirits, and spirits, than we catch on the surface. Not that the surface is "wrong", either. But there might be more to it, and ways of value, to see it, that do not fight the "rational", at all.

I don't offer a way, but I can say that "spirit" is a matter of interpretation. An angel-- I have heard interpreted as a thought form. Who knows what thought-forms, and the structure of it all is? And how they dance through time. We are but ants, in some respect... But we do have imaginations, that even if evasive, there might be certain links- as good as any, in. One can get lost, and it is best not to get too serious, about anything. I guess. This includes being addicted to drugs. That is serious commitment.

The best thought form, or emotion, is love. This can be a serious commitment. From love comes all good things (am I going too far?).

Then there are negative attachments. I believe we might interpret these and find a good way to see them, where there's not a conflict. I think that sometimes the ones who talk of demons are "demon infested" themselves, no offense... Not that others aren't... But you can't really trust them. You have to trust yourself. You have to trust the words coming out of their mouth- But you must be active in your reasoning, and not take it for face value. Understand why they are saying it. They will dramaticize, perhaps... Or perhaps simply the thought-form that occurs in response to the word "evil-spirit", "demon", Etc., in some sense is a demon in itself. The word itself, and what is around it. People don't know how to deal with it. Like a slug to salt, or whatever, our emotions might recoil, and put them as far away from us as possible. Evil spirits, and attitudes, negativity, do effect the world. Fear. Fear is never good. And fear does "invite demons". And what is addiction? Addiction certainly involves a demon-form, in a sense. But we shouldn't fear it. Just understand it.

Some might respond to certain treatments, and some might respond to others.

Real or imagined? Both. But there must be anchoring to something akin to standing on/connected "the ground". At least, as we are alive. At least, for any communicability? Eh.
 
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Short version: Addicts are not possessed by evil spirits. This is a ridiculous claim. They have a medical illness that modern medicine knows about and can address.

What about the possibility that they're not possessed but rather are being prompted to engage in certain behaviours, like being given a mental prod to do something/a thought being inserted into the mental stream of thoughts. This is the direction I lean towards rather than outright possession when it comes to drug addiction.
 
I used the word "Possession" more as a matter of speech. I think possession is a more serious case, where they actually enter and control your consciousness, and I'm not actually possessed. But I do feel surrounded and influenced by negative spirits, or whatever you want to call it myself, no matter what anyone else has to say about it. Which makes me not so quick to dismiss it.

I also find it hard to see how someone who has some level of third eye opening or psychic ability has never sensed any of this. I don't really see how it's possible? I'm aware it's commonly thought of as madness like all other psychic experiences by those who don't have them. Though these days with the Internet, etc. it's becoming apparent that these things are a bit too widespread for that, both in the present and the past, and no doubt in the future.

How come millions of people have been locked up for madness for telling the same thing? When you are mad, you are living in your own isolated, self-constructed reality, so they shouldn't really have so much in common. I'm sure if you look you can find thousands of books and articles about it. And that's just those who has written of it.
 
But I do feel surrounded and influenced by negative spirits, or whatever you want to call it myself, no matter what anyone else has to say about it.

There may be beings such as you speak of, but I think you would gain more strength assuming they are part of you, something which you could ultimately control. It's much more likely this is the case.

You, at any point can enter a state where you are in full control; the silence found in meditation.
 
When I was a teenager, I messed around with tarot cards and the occult. It was just for kicks, nothing serious. Years later, my dad flipped out when he found them in the garage, forgotten about. He threw them away telling me they bring bad luck and how could I keep these things around? Ninae, have you ever read any material from Lorriane Warren? She's a medium and her husband Ed Warren, a demonologist passed away a few years back. They had hosted some programs and have a museum of "haunted objects." Some people take this stuff seriously.

Once she did mention that using oujia boards or performing séances are dangerous because they can invite ungodly entities. She also knew of an addict who was convinced he was possessed by a demon. Turns out when the priest came for the exorcism, he confessed to devil worship. I get what you're saying, but if the drug theory was true there would be a whole lot of "possessed" people among us. I do believe demons exist and they do hurt people. Being raised Catholic, though I firmly must believe good always prevails over evil.
 
Good is stronger than evil, but doesn't always prevail (in this world). Every time you do something bad evil wins. I don't think it usually leads to conscious evil or devil worship, more to unconscious evil, by someone who consciously worships and wants to do good. Most evil you do is unconscious while you're in denial about it. That is how you're able to live with it and yourself.

Though I also think we're actively manipulated to be that way and it's a tough job to fight against it. For every evil you do, you can find a justification for it. Just look at all the excuses for why drug-use is okay. Most well know how harmful it is, but are in deep denial about it, even if they are living in their car and have lost everything because of it.

It seems there's a part of the personality that can "split" off when people are on drugs that will actually make them rationally believe it's the truth even when they are in such a situation. I don't know, I've just become a bit more realistic or down-to earth lately, and all the evidence I see of the human capacity for madness is worrying me now (and this is much worse than sensing bad spirits).
 
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