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Drug education in school

Let's not forget a both the kids who already use drugs... The ones who have already made the decision to use. What then? Just leave them with the info that they're given, or for that matter, NOT given. What do you suggest we do? If we can have methadone clinics, then why the hell can't we have a realistic drug education program in schools?
You say "who cares about how extreme dare campaigns are"...well I do. IME lying and hiding the truth does nothing but bad, especially when the person or people being lied to or deprived of information find the real information out on their own.
 
Let's not forget a both the kids who already use drugs... The ones who have already made the decision to use. What then? Just leave them with the info that they're given, or for that matter, NOT given. What do you suggest we do? If we can have methadone clinics, then why the hell can't we have a realistic drug education program in schools?
You say "who cares about how extreme dare campaigns are"...well I do. IME lying and hiding the truth does nothing but bad, especially when the person or people being lied to or deprived of information find the real information out on their own.

Then they need to suffer the consequences of their actions, or get immediate help from a parent. Anyone who uses drugs other than weed on a regular basis who is in HIGH SCHOOL is doing damage to their development. Mentally and physically. This subject is already taught in class. Fact is, high school kids are highly impressionable. Rehab clinics are open to those who want to get clean. If not, juvenile hall is also a viable option. These aren't adults with life experience. They're kids. Elaborating MORE on what damage certain drugs do would be a good idea. Showing how to use them "safely" is NOT.

I do however, wish the marijuana portion of drug education wasn't so biased, so we do agree there. The information on weed is rarely based on fact and is more based on bias and general attitude of the substance itself. Other drugs, however, nothing good can come of them at all. Especially when a 15-17 year old is using them.
 
Elaborating MORE on what damage certain drugs do would be a good idea. Showing how to use them "safely" is NOT.

Drug "education" already covers all the dangers and damage and it still does nothing to prevent people, we may as well teach people how to use them safely so that we can start reducing the damage drugs do.
Ill admit, all the fear mongering did initially prevent me from doing drugs at first, but when I did eventually try them out of curiosity, I didn't try them in a safe environment nor was I sensible, I mixed 4 drugs in the middle of nowhere, I totally freaked out and almost got myself stranded in the middle of nowhere, it was probably the worst experience of my life.
 
Yea, obviously DARE didnt do shit for most of us bluelighters... HR has done wonders for me since discovering the site. If I had know about it in HS, I would not have shot up pills after heating them etc.... Dare sucks
 
Then they need to suffer the consequences of their actions, or get immediate help from a parent. Anyone who uses drugs other than weed on a regular basis who is in HIGH SCHOOL is doing damage to their development. Mentally and physically. This subject is already taught in class. Fact is, high school kids are highly impressionable. Rehab clinics are open to those who want to get clean. If not, juvenile hall is also a viable option. These aren't adults with life experience. They're kids. Elaborating MORE on what damage certain drugs do would be a good idea. Showing how to use them "safely" is NOT.

This is why I think ALL aspects of the drugs should be taught more fairly. When I speak of harm reduction, I'm not saying that we should teach the class as if a child is expected to take the drugs ("if you take heroin, use clean needles"). For harder physically addictive drugs like heroin and speed, there are plenty of ways to explain the absolute truth about the drugs to kids in a way that will keep them from wanting to try the drugs. This is harm reduction at its most basic in my opinion. Kids ought to know better and know WHY they know better. You seem to be saying that children shouldn't be expected to think for themselves. I think this is a poor attitude to take towards education in general.

I think that the main reason for substance abuse in teenagers is the combination of a lack of proper education and legal prohibition. The fact that these drugs are illegal make them seem much more thrilling to a young and rebellious teenager. When opiates are made legal, opiate addicts and the drugs themselves can be seen by anyone for what they are - very addictive tools that are really only helpful to a person in the context of relieving intense physical pain. Other uses may feel good, but they are counter-productive to what most people would consider a good life (there will always be exceptions in the human psyche, for which reason there should always be resources available to help those who make bad decisions about drugs). The focus should be on addiction, because it is at the root of the vast majority of substance use issues. I don't think we're in total disagreement here. Certainly it's important to stress the possible harms that could come from using any drug. But when you explain the bad side and not the good side, you're leaving it up to the teen to educate his/herself, and planting seeds of mistrust in their minds.

I do however, wish the marijuana portion of drug education wasn't so biased, so we do agree there. The information on weed is rarely based on fact and is more based on bias and general attitude of the substance itself. Other drugs, however, nothing good can come of them at all. Especially when a 15-17 year old is using them.

So do you think cannabis is harmless? What makes it special compared to, say, mescaline? Depending on context, either substance could be helpful or harmful. I think that cannabis should be treated as honestly as any other substance here - people can use it in a pattern that is maladaptive and constitutes as dependence, and it shouldn't be portrayed in a fully-positive light. All substances have drawbacks, this is a concept that should be explained fully. But the use of drugs (therepeutic or otherwise) is a very fundamental part of our society and should be taught more thoroughly and honestly.

I don't plan on having children any time soon, but I should hope that my kids are very well educated about all drugs and how they can affect a person. If the education system won't teach them properly (sadly, it probably won't), then I will be glad to do it myself.
 
Voxide; said:
Then they need to suffer the consequences of their actions, or get immediate help from a parent. Anyone who uses drugs other than weed on a regular basis who is in HIGH SCHOOL is doing damage to their development. Mentally and physically. This subject is already taught in class. Fact is, high school kids are highly impressionable. Rehab clinics are open to those who want to get clean. If not, juvenile hall is also a viable option. These aren't adults with life experience. They're kids. Elaborating MORE on what damage certain drugs do would be a good idea. Showing how to use them "safely" is NOT.

I do however, wish the marijuana portion of drug education wasn't so biased, so we do agree there. The information on weed is rarely based on fact and is more based on bias and general attitude of the substance itself. Other drugs, however, nothing good can come of them at all. Especially when a 15-17 year old is using them.
You'd rather a kid who needs help be left alone to suffer from irresponsible use? I'm in that age range and if it weren't for harm reduction site, like this one, id have been a veg because wouldn't have know how to take care of myself after the use of things like MDMA.
And can you really tell me that you would be able to ask your parents for help concerning harm reduction? And even if you can thats not the case with millions of other people. They need an unbiased prospective on ALL DRUGS. IMO, weed gets no special treatment.
 
the person that talked to us about drugs said that coke basically annihilates all of the dopamine in your brain, that it decreases your ability to feel good in the long run. he drew up a diagram of the neurons and dopamine receptors and all that and exed out each one saying "there goes the happiness you wouldve felt from marriage, graduating college, your first kiss etc.". bullshit if you ask me, coke heads DO get better when they quit. im pretty sure i read that the receptors do come back, but in a different part of the brain (DAT trans?). and what kind of message is that to send to any of the people listening to him who were coke heads? it makes me angry. he also told my friend that mushrooms were completely harmless, which isnt true. they are mostly harmless but some people really do get fucked up by psychedelics, me for one, but im better know, after several years of doing any drug i could find so that i didnt have to feel horrible all of the time... but i guess i wouldve tried them anyways.
 
"there goes the happiness you wouldve felt from marriage, graduating college, your first kiss etc."
Gosh 8) no one is gonna start using coke before their first kiss.
 
its a proven fact that DARE does not work. its clear that we need a new program. history will inevitably repeat its self. I find that alot of the younger kids in my town do drugs or strive to get thrown into rehabs because they think its cool. today we no longer have the true 60's "hippie" culture to look at to see exactly what using drugs your whole life can do to you. so todays teens think its all fun and games, when really they have no fucking clue what they are doing. They saw all the upper class men doing them, but we did it for another reason. because it was fun. but now half my grade is just too ungodly fucked up. The best way of solving this problem I see now and a proven method of getting through to them is to inform them. you give them first hand experiences, life stories, the things you've gone through, how things went from good to bad to worse. how drugs can change everything that once made you, you. inform them on how the drugs interact with their brains. how say adderall, for example, can cause permanent brain damage in even therapeutic doses. actually give them facts as to why drugs can be harmful. then also explain why people do drugs, the positive side to them. give actual facts and evidence instead of just saying "DRUGS ARE BAD! JUST SAY NO!" and expecting them to not be curious.
 
didn't read the whole thread so i dont know if this has been said already but:

this is the same problem that sex education has:

when you tell people to abstain completely, that's just unrealistic. what's more important is to acknowledge that things are going to happen and just teach people the safest way to do them.
 
I wish they would've taught what I learned in undergraduate neuroscience class, especially regarding meth. Anyone with half a brain would NEVER try meth if they knew what it does in the brain.
i agree with this people arent morons if you at least explain from a pharmacological stand point how drugs effect the brain and what they really do. then people can make informed responsible decisions. its better than just saying i f you do this you will die or be a homeless junky
 
i love the this site because it shows the good the bad and the downright ugly of drug useage. im not talking shit but drug culture more than any forum on this site gives realistic picture of the ugly side of drug use. i cant count how many times ive heard people in DC bitch about withdrawls addiction and the associated problems and so on. maybe young people need to hear more real stories
 
heh, DARE made want to do drugs...

"I get to see cool colors for like 8 hours, then its over? Sweeeeeeeeet."

;) only partially kidding.


im not lol d.a.r.e is undoubtedly the reason i abuse drugs. word of advice, telling kids theres a drug out there that can make you see cool shit that aint really there will only make them more interested in drugs
 
The only "drug education" I ever got was to just say no. D.A.R.E. and all the ignorant posters and handouts were what passed for drug education in my school. Meanwhile, they have 14 year olds putting condoms on bananas and looking at graphic genital diagrams a la sex education.

Why not use the same approach to drug education? Promote abstinence as the only risk-free method while teaching harm reduction for those who choose to use. Seems fair to me.
 
Well, as mentioned earlier in the thread, the problem with getting a harm reduction program in schools is that you have to get past the almighty PTA........
One displeased parent and the program goes to shit.
 
My brother just went to a drug school or something I dont know drug class to teach him about drugs because he got caught with some fake weed or something like that at school.so he went to a drug class they had basic thoughts like the active ingredient in cannabis Is THC but very little basically no facts at all many lies or unproven thoughts and that pissed me off I would go to a drug class I know a few things not as much as many people on this site but diffidently more than the teachers and students.I would like to know the truth It pisses me off when they lie to these kids.
 
Just your freshman year?
Lucky. I was hearing it all through middle school.
At one point they gave out these red ribbons that said "I have better things to do than drugs" so what we did, because we were so clever, was fold them so that your ribbon said "I have drugs" and get your buddy to walk around next to you with one that said "I have better drugs"
/coolstorybro



On topic:
Lordreven333, the problem with that is (other than being a useless class because it didn't teach him anything) they were being reactive to the situation rather than proactive in trying to teach about drugs... Reminds me of the Captain Hindsight character from South Park...
 
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