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Drug Dealers - Friend or Fiend?

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I'm interested in your attitudes towards drug dealers. I'm a product of a classic middle-class family and was brought up believing drugs=bad, dealers are the scum of the earth who will do anything for money, including (and even, especially) hooking little kiddies on free heroin to get life-time users. I didn't touch any hard drug until I was 30 - when a friend who I really respect and trust dragged me off to a club, and shared a pill with me - I'm now a regular (if infrequent) clubber, and love the combination of friends, pills and music.
I'm an afficionado of the stronger pills, take up to 3 or 4 a night (while spacing the nights out to every 6 weeks or so) and love getting off my head. I get my pills from a friend who gets them in bulk and sells them to us for very little or no profit for reasons of his own. He's a normal guy - steady worker, good job, likes to party - but of course, in the eyes of the law (and in reality) he is a drug dealer. And face it - if I couldn't get e from him, I'd be getting it from anyone who sold quality pills, knowing very little about what other drugs they sell, what their selling practises are - and while I'd like to uphold my own moral standards, frankly I probably would deliberately not seek to know. But this makes me feel odd - I still haven't cast off my nice middle-class prejudice against drug dealers in general, and feel nothing for them when they get bust. (Unless they are cops as well, in which case I'll jeer them to their cells).
How do you guys feel - does it bother you to support dealers? Is your dd your best mate? Do you hate contacting him/her - or do they pop around for tea with you? Do you have standards of what type of dealer you deal with? (Hi, I'm DD, a AAA-certified DD who demands proof of age, freedom from addiction etc before selling, has a limit on the number of pills I'll supply to anyone in a given period, and only supply genuine tested E at a reasonable markup
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...on a mission to eradicate my own hypocrisy
 
My honest answer to your statement, is that I have known a DD in my time- a long time ago though she was basically a DD, and she came from a very happy middle-classed background, who used to get into pills/goey/charlie when she was in her early 20's, now late 20's she simply delt to have a little extra $$ on top of her regular satisfied job in which she works very hard at. I believe it is stereo-typical, in this century to classify DD as "scum of the earth" , as times have changed and I believe a lot of careful people get away with DD for many many years, and yes are very rich in the process. I would not advocate it, nor would i ever ever DD, yet I would not personally look down on those types of people. My only thought on DD is that it is not worth it, no money in the world is worth risking going to jail. Though I believe they are normal people like you and me, looking to get rich!
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hmmm good question
answer is simple....
some are good
some are scum
some are just like a business, which can be good and bad
some start off good, but go bad cause of money.
just my 2c, refunds accepted
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this is a fairly common topic that comes up wiff some of my mates. i find it varies a hell of a lot. no matter what anyway says, and who i meet and how nice they are, drug dealers are scum. they are doing something illegal, because they are greedy and don't know what a hard days work is. i treat them like utter shit and make demands that, if they are not met, means they don't make they're money. this is a pretty harsh outlook i spose. but thats because there aren't that many people that i class as dd's. i know lots of people who sell, but most of em have good jobs and just do it because they have the colateral to do so, and figure its easy money on the side (i don't really agree with that, but i can understand it). the first 'real' dd i knew has now become a fairly good friend of mine, as a result i hardly ever buy off him, because when it comes down to it, if he gets busted and chucked in jail, i would be quite fuckin upset, and if i had anything to do with that happening, i would be really fuckin upset.
so basically i would say that i have a fairly strict definition of dd's...and as such yes, i treat them like the scum of the earth. i spose this isn't always possible, as i know few dd's i can tell them to do stuff cheaper and tell em to fuck off if i want, but if you only know one good dd, then yoiur sorta limited, and have to pretend to be their friends and shit. personally, i don't wanna be connected in any other way to a big dd apart from when i am buying from em...
that is of course, if i did use drugs...
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I'm gonna have to go with "fiend".
But I think we should all remind ourselves that these greedy, money grubbing, scum buckets make our wonderful weekends possible. Without these people we'd all be drinking beer, or even worse, living in sobriety!
Next time your in your own little world rushing your nuts off, hugging your new best friend, dancing up a storm, or whatever it is you like to do, just remember these "fiends" played a part in your night.
GOD BLESS THE AUSTRALIAN POLICE FORCE
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It depends on who you consider a Drug Dealer, and what kind...
Type 1: The friend who just happens to have access to drugs...
This is the only kind of drug dealer I have anything to do with... They are people I know whom I've known for a while and consider to be friends... Some quite good friends...
Type 2: The guy wandering around clubs selling to anyone who will buy...
These are the people most would consider 'scum'. However, some of them are quite decent. Once in a while I'll hear about someone who bought a dodgy pill, and when they went back to the dealer they got their money back... Quite rare tho... Most would be speedbomb pushing little fuckwits... Like the guy at Teriyaki who kept insisting that he sold me a pill the week before and wanted to know if I wanted more... Little fucker wouldn't get it into his head that there's no way I'd buy a pill from him, let alone the dodgy speedbombs he had (it was a while ago, can't remember exactly what the pill was, but I remember it was a speedbomb)
 
Come ON people, this is not an issue that can be defined in black & white terms. To make statements based upon what someone does for a living is not to call into question the the morals of their profession, it is to question humanity and the profit motivated system of capitalism at large.
DD's exist as a symbol of a completey free market economy. Supply = Demand, so its logical that they must exist. In fact, its the people that take drugs that create a market where DD's peddle their wares. So in the end, all responsibility ultimately rests with the drug user.
Just like in any capitalistic economy, there are players in the scene that adhere to better ethics than others. This is not limited to DD's... Just look at the corporate world. We have several corporations in the world that make shoes, and while some follow self imposed industry codes for the betterment of their employees and customers, others utilise underpaid sweatshop workers and sell their goods at an over-inflated price. Such an outcome does not mean that ALL shoe manufacturers are scum, neither does it mean they are nice and ethical either. It is a grey area.
This is exactly the same situation with DD's. Some may adhere to better trading principals than others, so trying to make blanket statements is only providing fuel for another erroneous stereotype.
If you are looking for something to blame/praise try analysing the system that makes DD a profitable enterprise in the first place, because this two sided debate is meaningless...
Personally I believe if you are one that takes drugs, blanket labeling DD's at large as 'scum' is a patent display of elitism & hippocracy.
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Drug Dealers are entrepeneurs they run the risk of going to jail and gettin arseraped, that why the business is so profitable. They also provide a need in the community for all you druggies & social druggies. It is the persons choice to buy it or not. in australia we dun have a big drug problems as other places.
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Some of the above posts have mentioned this, but it's important to draw the distinction from "person who deals" and "drug dealer".
1) The "person who deals" usually does it because they can, not because they have to. They might know someone who happens to be fairly high up the drug food chain and can get stuff cheap (and not necessarily in bulk either). They then sell on to friends and people they know.
2) The "drug dealer" usually does it to support themselves, and rely on it as their only source of income (as well as the dole, heh heh
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). These people fall into two categories: a) Those who deal in such a large quantity that they only sell to other dealers because they only sell in quantities much higher than the average punter would want, and b) Those who still deal in reasonably small quantities but will sell to anyone - usually relying on ripping people off to make a profit.
Of these three types, the only ones I have no respect for is 2b. And I don't know anyone personally who does this, although I know a couple of the other two types, and they're actually really nice people.
So, that's my opinion...
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The way I see it is if you have no issues buying or taking these drugs then how can you possibly have an issue with the people selling them to you. Lets look at this from a different angle, smoking kills lots and lots of people every year yet society deems it acceptable therefore it is legal. Do you consider the guy at the local shop scum because he sells cigarettes? Do you judge him at all?
In this day and age and this scene especially everyone has probably dealt at some stage. Even if it is just you hooking up your friends that don't have any contacts themselves. Can you honestly say you have never sold a pill to anyone, even if it is for no profit? As long as the person who hooks you up gives you a fair price and good quality you should be grateful to these people as without them you have no night out. Don't let society dictate your principles to you, make your own judgement on what they are doing and decide for yourself.
 
95% of dealers are normal average people, they just know someone who happens to have drugs available, their friends want some, so they get them. Because of the risk involved they make a profit for having done this, how much profit is ultimately decided by them.
The only dealers I don't like are people who sell stuff they know is crap, to make a bigger profit.
Most dealers are friends, people you know and generally nice people. Very few are the stereotype the media has of drug dealers.
 
yeah... you guys... remember... especially randomblondeboy... that these 'scum' wouldn't exist if they didn't have customers... so if you're so against drug dealers... then don't use illicit drugs...
i believe that dealers follow the rules of the general population, i.e... 50% are assholes, 48% are ok, and 2% are a dream come true...
so yeah... i've been ripped off by a few dealers in my short lifespan... but most dealers are just people who know somebody who deals... that sorta thing...
they're a necessary part of our party society... so don't bitch too hard or you can just go and get drunk instead of pilling...!!!!
*climbs down from soapbox...*
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in my opinion if you don't pick a dealer who is a friend/benevolent, you are stupid
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nice one -thoth, totally agree.
as stated, there are shit ones (i started off with a HORRIBLE one) good ones, friends, foes, whatever.
I dont think it differs from anywhere else in society. Some are good, some a bad.
take it with a grain of salt I say
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Thanks all - some interesting replies. Seems the consensus is similar to my own point of view - what we consider to be a dealer (Mr Big) and what the law considers to be a dealer (your mate who just happens to have better access and basically does you a favour for a small profit to cover risk / inconvenience).
And to my dd (cos he worked out who I was from my post and has read this
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) - thanks for all your time, inconvenience and risk for our pleasure - but I still wish you wouldn't take the chances.
 
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I still think it's funny that most drug users seem to have this idea that the dealer who is a friend who gets stuff for you is a "good" dealer, while any other dealer is a "bad" dealer and hence the scum who sell crack to kids in the park. Maybe they're just someone else's friend who gets shit for other people that aren't you?
Sure there are definitely dodgy types, but maybe just because you're not in their pocket getting mates-rates from them doesn't mean they'd sell draino to their grandma as blood pressure medication to make a buck. Hehe.
Interesting discussion anyway - the moral and internal dilemmas people face when trying to reconcile a life embracing criminal activities with an upbringing that frowns upon them are quite complicated sometimes.
BigTrancer :)
 
The way I see it is that the higher you go up the drug dealing ladder the worse the dealers become....I've known all types from friends who deal 20/30 a weekend too big time distributors....
The big time guys scare the hell out of me....I once tagged onlong with a mate who was going to buy 1000 pills from this dealer...We arrived at his luxuary house and knocked on his door only to be greeted with a gun pointed at our faces...No problem this was a normal occurance...The dealer was just letting us know that this was a serious business....
You don't become friends with these sorts of people it's just too dangerous.....But small time dealing between mates seems harmless to me and I think most of us have participated in some sort of deal or another...
BCR
 
Yeah my best mate is a DD, but i wouldnt say he is scum. He works 6 day weeks, and like has been mentioned above numerous times, he works fucking hard at it. He doesnt need the money, but i guess its just a little bit of extra $$$ on the side. He only deals when he is at home, and never takes extra out with him, as he doesnt want to ruin his night sorting people out that left everything a little late. Although i do think the sketchy looking dudes that cruise around all night dealing are a scum, they are never really enjoying themselves, thus i dont think there is a place for them. Cya peeps
 
That is a funny thing i find about this industry. Instead of the dd being some shady guy hidden up in the city, it is a mate.
I probably know 8-10 friends who can get things, and they can get it themselves from various people that they know, and so forth. It is more about helping people out friends.
That i suppose is the main reason why the drug-scene is so hard to prevent. It isnt really a direct line of trade (except at the top). Its a large intertwining web with so many avenues and paths that make it impossible to stop.
I remember a funny thing a friend said once, "nah im not a dd, that is so blase". And it's true... Even the old granny on the corner deals :P
 
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