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Dropping out (the system?)

khaosddt

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I am 24 years old and still live with my parents. I lost too many time in universities though it never interested me, and had some problems with the justice so i had to pay mad fines for years.

Anyway, i dont think trying studies anymore because i feel the urge to leave, to go to the adventure, and if i dont do it at that time of my life, i will be never able to do it.

So the plan is to buy a van with all basic needs (toilets, solar panels, shower, small kitchen, good isolation), a shitload of lsd (liquid or blotter) and start touring europe festivals, teknivals, rave partys etc etc, doing something obvious to make some cash And time to time some seasonial jobs (grape-apple-picking, some extra help during ski seasons in the alps etc etc)

Once i have enough cash, or once i'm bored and meet some nice traveller tribe, head up to asia, fill the van with some valuable import goods to bring there and settle down opening a small business if i will have enough money to do so.

Does this plan seems realisable? Or is it just some fucked up idea i had during my last mushroom trip?
 
I am 24 years old and still live with my parents. I lost too many time in universities though it never interested me, and had some problems with the justice so i had to pay mad fines for years.

Anyway, i dont think trying studies anymore because i feel the urge to leave, to go to the adventure, and if i dont do it at that time of my life, i will be never able to do it.

So the plan is to buy a van with all basic needs (toilets, solar panels, shower, small kitchen, good isolation), a shitload of lsd (liquid or blotter) and start touring europe festivals, teknivals, rave partys etc etc, doing something obvious to make some cash And time to time some seasonial jobs (grape-apple-picking, some extra help during ski seasons in the alps etc etc)

Once i have enough cash, or once i'm bored and meet some nice traveller tribe, head up to asia, fill the van with some valuable import goods to bring there and settle down opening a small business if i will have enough money to do so.

Does this plan seems realisable? Or is it just some fucked up idea i had during my last mushroom trip?

While I think you're considering an almost utopian lifestyle of not having any real responsibilities and just floating around carefree, my only advice is to be careful. I'm not going to tell you whether you should or shouldn't buy a van and sell drugs all over the place to survive, but I will urge you to make a list of pros and cons.

Some cons being: what if your van breaks down, what if you get robbed, what if you get busted with massive amounts of illegal drugs. From what I understand a lot of European countries are somewhat lenient for simple possession, but for distributing or possessing large amounts you can still get pretty stiff jail time.

I haven't even begun talking about Asia. What part of Asia are you considering? I know there are many asian countries that have the death penalty for drug dealers.

My point is, I'm sure you've put a lot of thought into the potential fun you can have but make sure you also think about all the things that could go wrong.

There's nothing wrong with traveling around and seeing exotic places, I've done it myself. However there is a difference between taking a few weeks off of work to do it and completely dropping out of society and making a career of it.
 
Some cons being: what if your van breaks down, what if you get robbed, what if you get busted with massive amounts of illegal drugs. From what I understand a lot of European countries are somewhat lenient for simple possession, but for distributing or possessing large amounts you can still get pretty stiff jail time.

I haven't even begun talking about Asia. What part of Asia are you considering? I know there are many asian countries that have the death penalty for drug dealers.

Getting robbed and having the van breaked down is part of adventure i presume, what about drugs, this is why i want to go with LSD, as it is virtually undetectable by dogs, and hiding some vials or blotters can be pretty easy in the van.

About asia, i want to sell drugs only in europe, and when heading to asia convert the cash in some valuable items i could sell there, but at this point, my plan is flawed, cause i have no clues about what can i import from europe to asia (Russia-mongolia-kazakhstan-china-vietnam, cambodge, thailand-perhaps india) But i dont wanna to go through the middle east shit. Probably pass by the russia and mongolia to head to southern asia passing by the china.

I know i can have the contacts to bring some mad french wine (buy around 100-200€ by bottle sell it at 500-600€ in moscow) to make some extra cash in russia, but when ill head to asia, i have no clues about what can i import there.

If anyone have some clues, post it here.
 
hippie pipe dream but that's okay - the world needs more nonproductive drones I suppose .


Totally agree, but what keeps me thinking this way of life is livable, as i have some friends who made it, and are now chilling in thailand, they opened a small techno bar on the beach.


Also, during my first 6 months of the trip i think i will have a social wage of around 900€ by month (when u get fired from a job, during 6 months, our government pays us a small part of our salary). Which could be usefull for the gas, or different investments ill have to do.

I still thinking, i can mange all this. Any traveller adventures here?
 
I am 24 years old and still live with my parents. I lost too many time in universities though it never interested me, and had some problems with the justice so i had to pay mad fines for years.

Anyway, i dont think trying studies anymore because i feel the urge to leave, to go to the adventure, and if i dont do it at that time of my life, i will be never able to do it.

So the plan is to buy a van with all basic needs (toilets, solar panels, shower, small kitchen, good isolation), a shitload of lsd (liquid or blotter) and start touring europe festivals, teknivals, rave partys etc etc, doing something obvious to make some cash And time to time some seasonial jobs (grape-apple-picking, some extra help during ski seasons in the alps etc etc)

Once i have enough cash, or once i'm bored and meet some nice traveller tribe, head up to asia, fill the van with some valuable import goods to bring there and settle down opening a small business if i will have enough money to do so.

Does this plan seems realisable? Or is it just some fucked up idea i had during my last mushroom trip?

I met an Israeli guy this summer who did just that. Go to the German festivals I say, noone sells drugs at them, and the police are rarely in attendance, often you wont need a ticket just park up, and go round the campsite selling your gear. There is the danger of being robbed, but if you stick to nice countries youll be okay.
Its a great idea, but the downside is getting locked up in some foreign jail or having to pay some ridiculous fine. Its a risk, but it sounds like a great way to live but its going to cost you initially and youll need money to live Im not sure selling acid is the only answer. MDMA and pills could make you cash if you sell enough, because thats what people usually want to buy in my experience.
 
Speaking from lived experience, as someone who has been in the conterculture, found it wanting, and then largely reintegrated into the mainstream, I personally know a great number of people who have lived the gypsy life and usually it ends up an absolute horror show, and by the time that it does, you're really not in any position to do any better for yourself or even really have any insight into how utterly fucked your lifestyle has become. This sort of radical disconnection from society comes at a high price to your mental and physical health, your social well-being, and potentially, your freedom and life itself. And let's not forget that you are talking about living a life of crime, even if couched in tie-dyed, consciousness expanding sentimentality about drug distribution. It's a very dangerous line of work to be in, and it is often filled by very nasty and deeply disturbed people even if they superficially seem alright. That being said, it's a role that needs to be filled by somebody, and if you truly feel that you are that somebody, then perhaps you are finding your place as a part of the world as a whole. But please do not go into this with any sort of naivete or misconceptions. It is a very ugly world and scene out there.
 
i have been around the world 2x . i have smuggled smack out of south east asia . there are so many things that i have done that should have gotten me into jams that were lethal but somehow serendipity ruled and my death wish went unfulfillable.

as spectacularly fucked up as my upbringing was, there was a value, a drive to learn a trade that my gramps stuffed into my head and that was were i went and succeeded to earn a very good living and eventually get shut of the ''tune in, turn on, drop out''mentality that my generation was germane to.

the margins of society have had no appeal for me for ages but is where my son dwells much to my chagrin .

setting one's sights on a career in drug sales just doesn't compute unless there are fuck all other options available .
 
^+1,thank you

Not that I haven't had some really interesting experiences, met interesting people, but in the end all I really have is stories admixed with a lot of lost time, trauma, and my general tapping of a rich vein of fucked up. It's not pretty out there on the ground.

Feel free to PM me if you want to talk further.
 
I'm not qualified to comment on the drug dealing aspect of your plan but I'd be inclined to listen to what these people are saying ^. The travelling & fruit picking bit is fine, plenty do it. But your long term plans for staying 'dropped of the system' are ridiculous. Also the Russians don't generally drink wine, so good luck trying to crack the market with your van full of cheap French plonk.

Unless you're in the highend luxury market, I think you'll find the export industry flows east > west, rather than Europe to Asia.

If you really want to remain out of the sytem you should focus your efforts on attaining or working towards self sufficiency. I've known someone try and achieve this by growing cannabis but he ended up a shell of his former self after about 4 years. Dropping out of the system is harder than it first appears.
 
^ You have a point but please try to phrase your posts in a constructive way. :)

First off, I'd definitely listen to SKL on this. He has a grasp of the entirety of the 'culture' and is very insightful.

I have friends who have successfully 'dropped out' so-to-speak but none of them have done so entirely. I think they're been pretty lucky in their ability to live 'outside the system'. Here is how I believe it worked for a couple of them:

Friend 1: Took all her savings, graduation money etc. and booked it to Thailand. She was lucky in that she met her boyfriend soon after who already had a bunch of things set up on the alternative community. She's stayed with him since (~7 years) so I think that was part of her saving grace. Otherwise, I don't know where she'd be. It helps that she's an extremely good artist and I think makes money that way. Additionally, she has rooted connections throughout the world and especially in the U.S. to help her travel, keep enough income etc. I'm not sure if this is still true but last I knew she was living in a pretty luxurious tipi just outside Santa Cruz, California.

Friend 2: She has a trust fund that's sufficient for her to travel. Additionally, she had networks set-up before she started traveling in case she ever needed anything in the areas she was going to end up. She has told me what a difference this makes.

I believe these are pretty rare circumstances & stories of people who have successfully left traditional lifestyles. I think before you do anything you really need to figure out how to set up these connections and networks of people to make sure you stay safe. Not to mention the fact that you're going to need a lot of secure cheddar to start off and further maintain your safety.
 
I'm laughing at the irony between wanting to 'drop out of the system' and buying a van which burns gasoline and oil =D

He didn't say what system he wanted to drop out of. He wants out of what he wants out of, that doesn't mean he doesn't want a car! :p

I've "dropped out" before, at least in the terms of having a job, responsibilities, going to travel etc. It's an awesome, amazingly free feeling. :)

These days I just "stay out" of the aspects of society I don't wish to take part in or am bothered by. I have a job, but it's a job I LIKE, believe in and support. I don't think I could have a job at Wal Mart or somewhere like that... I have a car because I want to. I don't have a phone anymore, because I don't want to. I spend most of my time alone or with my love in our cabin up in the mountains when I'm not working.. chilling, eating good food, internetz, writing, movies.

I'm still in society but it's a good life. I think a lot of my urge to "drop out" before was because I wasn't living a good life. I was living a life that wasn't right for me, and I felt forced into it. Now I do life MY way.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=370134

^There is my story from start to finish, if you're interested. Seems a good read, for you.
 
totally agreed with SKL and Amor and DEEja. you don't seem to want to drop out of SOCIETY, just out of the part of it that revolves around time which is sadly most of it. i know how you feel, time is my enemy and i hate nothing more than having to manage it. i should be sleeping now, because time is running out until the dawn, but i don't fucking feel like sleep so why the fuck should i? end result is i'm gonna be a mess at work tomorrow and hate my life even more.

the only things you need to successfully find your place in life is to figure out roughly what you want to do and educate yourself in every aspect of it so that you CAN actually get successful enough in freelancing your whole life to keep yourself fed.
 
Get an old, pre-1973 VW van, they're easy to repair . . . U can wash Urself & hair in a dishpan with a gallon of water. I lived in the van for several years & loved it.
 
^ You have a point but please try to phrase your posts in a constructive way. :)

First off, I'd definitely listen to SKL on this. He has a grasp of the entirety of the 'culture' and is very insightful.

I have friends who have successfully 'dropped out' so-to-speak but none of them have done so entirely. I think they're been pretty lucky in their ability to live 'outside the system'. Here is how I believe it worked for a couple of them:

Friend 1: Took all her savings, graduation money etc. and booked it to Thailand. She was lucky in that she met her boyfriend soon after who already had a bunch of things set up on the alternative community. She's stayed with him since (~7 years) so I think that was part of her saving grace. Otherwise, I don't know where she'd be. It helps that she's an extremely good artist and I think makes money that way. Additionally, she has rooted connections throughout the world and especially in the U.S. to help her travel, keep enough income etc. I'm not sure if this is still true but last I knew she was living in a pretty luxurious tipi just outside Santa Cruz, California.

Friend 2: She has a trust fund that's sufficient for her to travel. Additionally, she had networks set-up before she started traveling in case she ever needed anything in the areas she was going to end up. She has told me what a difference this makes.

I believe these are pretty rare circumstances & stories of people who have successfully left traditional lifestyles. I think before you do anything you really need to figure out how to set up these connections and networks of people to make sure you stay safe. Not to mention the fact that you're going to need a lot of secure cheddar to start off and further maintain your safety.

Great post. (and Amor, clean your PM box...)

The counterculture attracts both people with no resources at all, and are looking for a way out and something other than and people who have a lot of resources, who are looking for a way out, too, but of something else (of a more existential nature). It's by and the large the latter that succeeds. Speaking in terms of political economy, class structures are perpetuated from the aggregate culture and economy into the counter-culture, and counter-economy, as are economic structures, viz. the increasing corporatist structures of the illicit drug trade. Economically speaking it is a stacked deck.

But personally speaking, in terms of addressing this existential angst, economics may not even be the most important concern. To be perfectly frank: You are seeking some kind of psychological freedom, but in all likelihood in the counter-culture, you will be enslaved again, to something else, most likely a perfect mirror of the situation that you now face. Wherever you go, there you are. But I'll let Bob Dylan pick up that trail of thought.

The most important things regardless of your decision whether or not to drop out will be how well you take care of yourself, physically, psychologically, economically, socially, in every single dimension of your being. In the counter culture this prominently includes the operational details of your counter-economic practice, your intake of mind-altering drugs, your overall state of mind and, very importantly, the company you keep, and in the mainstream culture it will be mostly the same.

Most important is your own inner being and your psychological health. Reaching peace or self-actualization or nirvana or whatever your way of framing the ultimate psychological goal here, is not necessarily going to be easier in the counter-culture, and there are a great number of ways in which it could be much more difficult.

This is not to say there is never a reasoned case to be made to drop out; I, too, know people who have done so and experienced success, stability, and happiness ... but I know a great many lost souls as well. Both statements would hold true for the people that I know in the "real world" so to speak, as well.

So ultimately you have to look inwardly at your own heart. And right after that, you probably need to do some hard, cold, calculus of risk management. And whatever your ultimate decision will be, fare thee well ...
 
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