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Drink spiking testers identify GHB and Ketamine

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GHB test kits

just thought other people might be interested to read THIS. I think these are a good idea but after reading that site and the description of GHB, i seriously doubt they test for other G derivatives. I hope it doesn't lure people into a false sense of security.
 
On this site it says that GHB AND KETAMINE are tasteless, odourless and colourless.
When I have has these drugs they sure have a taste if you ask me.
 
NEWS FLASH: The Drink Spike Detector will now be available from Amcal and Guardian chemists exclusively throughout the month of July 2003 after which it will be available in pharmacies and chemists throughout Australia.

Drink Safe Technology, Inc. is the innovative leader in producing products to help detect the presence of illicit drugs such as GHB and Ketamine in alcoholic and non alcoholic beverages.

These colourless, odourless and tasteless drugs were impossible to detect until now
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Taken from Drink Safe Technologies

The Sun-Herald
By Kate Cox, 9 March 2003:

Handbag test for date-rape drugs

There is a new weapon in the fight against drug rape.

Along with their lipstick, mobile phones and money, Sydney women can now pack business card-sized spiked-drink detector kits in their handbags.

Coasters that test for drugs in drinks are also available and cocktail swizzle sticks and other possible testers are being developed.

Paul Dillon, information manager at the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre, said that increased drink spiking - and drug rape - in Sydney's pubs and clubs had led to several consumer products being developed here.

"Anything that assists in preventing a crime is totally worthwhile, although we have to be very careful that we don't lull people into a false sense of security," he said.

"This is something that contributes to reduction of harm and it also makes people think more about their alcohol consumption, which is especially important for young women."

Mr Dillon said that Drink Safe Technologies had spent a year researching and testing the effectiveness of the product with police and forensic scientists.

But most young people in CBD bars said they would be unlikely to use the new spiked-drink detectors, which cost $9.95 for six tests from website www.drinksafetech.com.au.

The tests can identify two of the most popular date-rape drugs: gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB) and ketamine - although some drinks, such as fruit juices and milks, are unable to be tested.

Users rub a drop of liquid on the cardboard: if the spot turns from tan to blue-green, the drink is spiked. Melanie Cleverdon, 29, believes her drink was spiked on New Year's Eve two years ago, but even that wouldn't encourage her to use the testers.

Beth Basman of Leichhardt said she would be more likely to rely on her friends.

A plastic cap that fits over bottled beers and drinks so they can't be tampered with is also being considered and pubs and clubs are being urged to post signs on the back of toilet doors and warning stickers on drinks left unattended.

Police and scientists are continuing development of a cocktail swizzle stick that can be left in drinks the whole time, changing colour the moment drinks have been tampered with.
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taken from here

Curious as to what the advantages/disadvantages these testers would have over reagent testing for these specific substances?
 
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These colourless, odourless and tasteless drugs were impossible to detect until now
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This is clearly a flawed statement. Ketamine impossible to test for? EZ Test for Ecstasy - Mandelin... Odourless Ketamine? I cannot speak for liquid, or powder freshly boiled down from liquid... But all of the cut stuff available to your average Joe Blow on Sydney streets over the years has had an odour. Be it the odour of ketamine or the cutting agent - it's chemical, and definitely suspiciously foreign and alerting if you're not expecting it. Tasteless GHB? I don't need to say much here... I'd be interested to know if it tests for 1,4-B too, seeing as it's so commonly mistaken for/sold as GHB... I Wonder if they think it's "tasteless" too.

My criticism of this statement doesn't reflect my attitude toward this overall - I think it's a good thing... I didn't think K would be popular as a date rape drug... But then I don't have any first hand experience with date rape, so I guess I can't comment on its effectiveness.

As for your question Trillian... If you're testing for GHB, DSD is your only choice - AFAIK, there aren't any other testers available. As for Ketamine... Go get yourself a Mandelin tester from Eztest. It's a far more cost efficient. DSDetector will cost ya $23 for 20 tests... Where as Mandelin will cost $40 for 1-200 tests (depending on how many drops you use). It also tests for speed/methamphetamines and ecstasy/mdxx.

:)
 
I also have my doubts about these. Number one drug used in DFSA? Alcohol. Number two is probably Rohypnol. Neither of which are picked up by this very expensive test.

Also another thing not mentioned is that it usually isn't the first drink of the night that is spiked, more like the 5th or 10th. Are you really going to remember to put a drop of each drink onto a seperate coaster after 5 or so margheritas? Drug testing should be done before you get fucked up. not during.
 
^ Very interesting point JB. Plus, I wonder about the effort required to buy these testers, take them with you, and then be on the ball enough to remember to test your drink IF you've happened to leave it unattended at any time.

Testing it straight from the bartender isn't going to save you much, unless you suspect the bartender of drugging you. Then again, once you've left the bar, if you're holding your drink then the odds of someone spiking it would be fairly negligible. The test would be most useful if you're leaving your drink unattended... but wouldn't it be easier and safer if you just didn't?

As JB said, a GHB tester unfortunately wont save you from getting really drunk if someone is buying you triple-shot mixers without your knowledge when you think you're getting normal strength... ie. when you're starting your third or fourth drink and all of a sudden it feels like you've had 9 or 10 drinks, its a bit late.

Still, on the other hand, it's not much money to spend on a pack of testers just in case. If they have a decent shelf (wallet?) life they could be very handy when you least expect it :)

BigTrancer :)
 
I also have my doubts on these. Wouldn't help if something like GHB was also mixed with diazpam and slipped into a drink after 2-3 drinks your fucked... big fucken time!
 
It's all about the illusion of being safe. You put this tester thing in your drink, nobody date rapes you, therefore tester had desired effect. Never mind the fact that there's a high chance that you wouldn't have been date raped regardless.

If you want to stay totally in control, then buy your own drinks and hold on to them. Allowing people to buy you a drink (especially someone you don't know) while mostly being OK still isn't being totally in control. This might spoil the whole fun of the dating courtship thing, but if people are gunna whinge about spiked drinks then they should stop taking the risks.

Granted there will be a few cases where someone truly manages to slip something into even the most cautious persons drink, and in that case I do have sympathy. But I think that a lot of the time it can be avoided because it's the result of carelessness...

(sorry about the rant - I've had a long day today and this is my release) ;)
 
they are a good idea if a girl needs peace of mind. even just to see a coulour on a card.
but then again if a girl is getting that worried about her drink getting spiked, they should just stay at home.... it much safer.

these card are a good starting point but there are alot of drugs that will fuck you up if they are in a drink. thecompany should widen its horizons and check for more than 2 drugs. for instance GHB - 1,4B... will it work for that?

my2c
 
Not to offend anyone here, but i wonder how many people that end up in hospital after their 'drink being spiked', actually knew it had been?

Drink spiking is stupid and dangerous, and anyone doing it is a loser. I feel for those people who have had it done to them.
 
I think there are various things women should do so these cards aren't necessary. Some suggestions:
1. Don't go out drinking alone
2. As a group, get your friends to agree to stay as a group all night (ie: no one goes home early alone, no one goes off with a guy she just met etc)
3. If you meet a guy you like, get him to call you and meet somewhere like a restaurant (ie: not your place or his) until you get to know him
4. As others pointed out, buy your own drinks or at least be present when drinks are purchased. You could do this casually - if offered a drink, say "I'll come with you, I don't know what I want yet".

Drink test kits are not foolproof, and certain substances can't be detected, so if people are really worried, then they should change the way they party to minimise the risks. When you think about it, the Australian way of meeting guys or girls (ie: go to dodgy nightclub, drink too much, pash someone who you'll hope to never see again etc :) ) is potentially pretty dangerous when you think about it. And of course, alcohol is the most commonly available date rape drug....
 
I reckon the best test any person can provide would be basic common sense. As mentioned before, buying your own drinks etc, not leaving them unattended would be the best way. I think the whole idea is about big corporations cashing in on the whole idea. If you calculate how relatively cheap it would be to manufacture one of these test kits and then sell them for $20-$25 whatever it is that equals big $$$$ profits. Its always been a problem I know but if people were a bit more wary when they are out even if they have had a few drinks, if uve got friends with you then its basically take care of yourself and eachother.

The fact that GHB AND Ketamine are odourless is just the media mixing up their facts again. Everyone knows GHB smells like shit and tastes like shit.
 
Actually IMHO, GHB tastes like salt water, it would be pretty easy to mask that flavour in a strongly flavoured alcoholic drink. Rohypnol is pretty flavourless in a solution too, I'd expect. On the other hand, 1,4 butanediol tastes to me like ink, very chemically... but perhaps if a person was already drunk, and drinking spirit mixers they might even miss that flavour?

I'm not sure, I've never combined alcohol with any of these, so it's hard to know! A 100mg dose of K would orally have quite an effect, but I don't know what that would taste like dissolved in a drink either... maybe these things are hard to notice in a drink? I don't see how getting someone out of their brain on ketamine would get you hot s3x tho ;)

BigTrancer :)
 
^^^ ha I was wondering when that was gunna happen, I was a little jealous that the other thread got more replies than mine but hey there all mine now :D
 
Andydk: u have had 1,4-butanediol then, (or perhaps GBL) not GHB.

IMO 1,4 could be not detected in a strong alcohol and soda drink; especially a bourbon and coke. 1,4 is an alcohol too and the chemical taste whilst different enough is still similar to the chemical taste of ethanol - remember mixed drinks are ~ 5% ethanol; Usual 1,4 mix people used to have was 12.5% - so it would taste a lot stronger; a similar strength mix of ethanol and water i dont think would taste too far off; just less chemical i suppose. So 3ml conc 1,4 in a coke alongside ethanol i dont thik would be picked up by someone - especially someone that has had a few.

As for these testers, they are certainly not a bad idea; im just trying to work out how they work - GHB and ketamine have to be two of the least similar molecules in a structural sense you will find - indeed GHB is not even an amine; something unheard of in virtually all common illicit drugs. (maybe thats why GHB is really a "food" - alas)
I guess there must be two separate chemical testers built into the card.
 
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sorry thought it was an interesting read and since nye is in a few days a few people i know need to be warned about drink spiking.
 
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