Dozens hospitalized in NYC for apparent K2 overdoses

That is exactly what I was thinking, however more eloquently stated by drug mentor.

What can be done to make this safer? People are going to use them, as evidenced by this article, but it seems there isn't that much objective study out there in order to allow people to make fact based assessments to the risks involved.

Mods are mods because we are often online. Not to punish users of this website. There is no conspiracy.

I apologise if my responses seem sarcastic or unhelpful, the original post I quoted got my back up.

Safer could be more stringent regulations on the composite of these smoking blends, this would also cover any legal highs. We do this with tobacco, food, alcohol and most other consumables. This could only be achieved through legislation and the government to realise that people are going to do it regardless so might as well make it as safe as possible.

The dramatic rise in these NEW compounds is a direct result of governments banning compounds that have been studied more and most likely invented by reputable chemists, not by syndicates trying to keep one step ahead of the ever changing laws
 
An interesting argument popped up somewhere in this thread. So, mister, you'd choose a substance that was first synthesized 100 years ago with absolutely 0 research done on it and call it a "classical chemical", and something synthesized 10 years ago with tons of peer-reviewed research and double-blind studies done a "research chemical"?

The term "research chemical" is usually applied to substances that have not been scientifically researched properly to assess the risks and benefits of their use, regardless of their first synth date. Because such information is unavailable, it usually is a gamble to take "research chemicals", as you're pretty much being a part of the research.

The problem with research cannabinoids is that they're, first, usually full agonists, and second, very potent. Just because people are reckless with their dosing and take ridiculous amounts (either intentionally or not) doesn't say anything about the substance's safety if used appropriately. If people were injecting fentanyl by the tens of milligrams, you'd be amazed as well.

PS and yeah, being a moderator doesn't mean jack. Moderators are just people who try to maintain stability and improve their forums.
 
An interesting argument popped up somewhere in this thread. So, mister, you'd choose a substance that was first synthesized 100 years ago with absolutely 0 research done on it and call it a "classical chemical", and something synthesized 10 years ago with tons of peer-reviewed research and double-blind studies done a "research chemical"?

The term "research chemical" is usually applied to substances that have not been scientifically researched properly to assess the risks and benefits of their use, regardless of their first synth date. Because such information is unavailable, it usually is a gamble to take "research chemicals", as you're pretty much being a part of the research.

The problem with research cannabinoids is that they're, first, usually full agonists, and second, very potent. Just because people are reckless with their dosing and take ridiculous amounts (either intentionally or not) doesn't say anything about the substance's safety if used appropriately. If people were injecting fentanyl by the tens of milligrams, you'd be amazed as well.

PS and yeah, being a moderator doesn't mean jack. Moderators are just people who try to maintain stability and improve their forums.

The compounds I listed that, Felonious Monk, listedas research chemicals have had loads of peer review research. Those compounds were 4-mmc, 2-cb, 2-ci, Ill concede that Mephedrone has only become popular in the last few years but has been studied extensively. RC's like 6-apbd which was invented by David E Nicols as non-neurotoxic analog of MDMA is another good example that shows not all RC's can be lumped in to the same basket.

You have others like Nbomes and bromo-dragonfly which are active in the sub mg range and have caused deaths such as Haupt-RC (now defunct) who mislabeled bromo-dragonfly as 2-cb fly and was found dead in his bed

My point was to show that not all compounds that are classed as new have no research done on them, and that people have enjoyed them and lived without any adverse affects. I think this is a fair comment and I stand by my posts considering this was posted....

Research chemicals are garbage; but some people want to become lab rats.

and then this.......

LOL yeah. "This drug was literally just invented a couple years ago, but don't worry, it's completely safe!"

Both by, Felonious Monk, and both statements are misleading and have no HR value. No offence to you, Felonious Monk, I just thought there should be more information posted, specially when posting the quotes above.

Please don't take me the wrong way, I think you Mods do an invaluable, and at times, thankless job AND in your own time. Without you guys BL would be a mess <3

In saying that, If I think the info posted is incorrect or could be added to, I will post regardless of the posters status. Look at the posts above from all of us, they have now expanded to include, hopefully, more valuable info that could possibly make someone think twice about ingesting a potentially dangerous chemical.
 
mister: You are right about trying to control the chemicals listed. Banning anything really doesn't work in a capitalist society. Supply will always follow demand when there is money to be made, whether it comes through legal, or black market channels.

I think the salient point of what drug mentor, priest, and felonius are saying is; It is risky to take chemicals that have not been studied. To pull apart what they say is to miss that point.
 
mister: You are right about trying to control the chemicals listed. Banning anything really doesn't work in a capitalist society. Supply will always follow demand when there is money to be made, whether it comes through legal, or black market channels.

I think the salient point of what drug mentor, priest, and felonius are saying is; It is risky to take chemicals that have not been studied. To pull apart what they say is to miss that point.
Absolutely. I made myself a human Guinea pig, and nearly died in intensive care. Go figure.
 
Absolutely. I made myself a human Guinea pig, and nearly died in intensive care. Go figure.

I have some friends back in new york that switched from traditional cannabis to spice in order to pass drug tests for jobs. Most were able to make it back to pot once they landed the job. One is hopelessly stuck on them, lost the job, and underlying mental disorders he had have derailed his life. Now that it is illegal in syracuse he is in no better straits than he was before he switched.
 
there are so many typesof rc noids out there you really are playing russian roulette...esp when samples get sent to places like edata and they need cayman chem to ID to gcms readout bc the ppl at edata have never seen the substance before..thats scary. talk about being real human guinnea pigs.

plus some of the stuff may be fairly weak lets make up something like ab-7443 and you get sent ab-443 which 20x potent and you certainly dont know that and neither does the person who sold it to you.

its such a head knocker that weed is still CI and crystal and coke are CII...you get caught smoking its just like getting caught with dope or MDMA. and of course the lightest and easiest going illegal drug is the one that stays in your system for a fucking month. yet you can smoke rocks and be clean in a few days. just too much money keeping it illegal...
 
Yeah benzos are c IV and those are what really fucked my life up. The only thing pot did wrong in my life was because it is illegal.
 
Yeah benzos are c IV and those are what really fucked my life up. The only thing pot did wrong in my life was because it is illegal.
Even pot fucked me up the wrongun eventually, made my life a paranoid hell. Only because I smoked skunk chronically. Totally agree about the benzos though, I don't think it gets much more dangerous, drug wise. Well, rc benzos I guess, cos they're also untested. Bad juju.
 
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