dope to depression

adicabrady

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I had a heroin habit for about 25 years.I've been prescribed Suboxone for about 6 months,that was added to Xanax,Clonidine and Seroquel.I am grateful that I don't have to dedicate my every waking moment to getting drugs.I also have an apartment and food,thing that were luxuries in my running days.I was diagnosed as bipolar in my last rehab,I'm now on disability. The problem I have now is apathy.I don't clean my apartment,don't fix myself meals,almost never go out.I wish I would have a heart attack and die.I haven't committed suicide because I don't want to hurt my children and friends.I am just tired of life.I try and cheer up but it is just a game.I never laugh anymore and don't enjoy things.I'm not sure if I feel like this because of bipolar or because of the meds I am on.
I started with drugs at 13 years of age,now I'm 53 and I have no idea how to live without being high.I would appreciate any advice or experience with this.Keep in mind I am very low income and that I have been to thousands of AA/NA meetings and they don't work for me.
 
Im sorry for your pain it I have been through a few rough years and I was sure that I wouldnt make it out I know how you feel I just wanted to die, some days I still get that way...but the truth is that there is light and no matter what you want to believe (just as I did)...you are wrong,things will get better. You have to believe this no matter how bad you may think things are they will and you will get better. Get out of the house and sit in the woods or on a beach, nature has a way of healing people even if its a little bit. At my worst all I could do was clean(OCD thing), but I wouldnt go out, I wouldnt talk to friends, I just didnt want to do anything

I would say some of what you feel is the meds, try talk to a different psychiatris and see if you can alter your meds. I dont know what your doing in the way of psychological help, but a good psych is in need. Do you even remember why you started drugs, what was your childhood like, you have been on drugs for a really long time it will take some time getting used to straight life, for both your brain and mind( I still want to go out on three day benders, after years of anxiety and head mess) ...man you need to dig deep, much of what you are feeling is caused by psychological and not physical neurochemical problems..if depression was all neuro chemical MDMA therapy wouldnt work as it does....I would say contact MAPS.org but I dont know what your chances would be with that
 
Maybe you're experiencing a mixed state? That seems like an awful lot of medication meant to tame an intense state of mania, which apparently it did. Ok, granted I am not a doctor, but the meds you listed, 2 benzos, plus a powerful antipsychotic, plus suboxone to help you through the w/ds...what about for depression? No abilify, no antidepressant, no mood stabilizer? No nothing? The apathy could be from a powerful cocktail of meds you're on, which I think is part of it, & if you're bipolar I would think the depressions would suck even worse not just from not feeling "normal" but in comparison to the euphoria of hypomania or mania--and the day to day running & gunning just to stay "well."

I had been on meth on & off 25 years. Then, the law caught up with me & I did get clean for 2 years. While on the one hand it felt great not to have to worry about the law, or accusations of using from family, the drugs DID suppress my ADD, boredom, & there was always an element of excitement in one form or another because my life was a constant adventure. Well, I didn't like to admit it, but the fact was I missed the excitement of using because in terms of sheer dopamine/adrenaline rush I've always craved, nothing, & I mean NOTHING, but slamming meth compared.

In your case, if you were on heroin for 25 years the way I was on speed 25 years, the drugs suppressed your bipolar episodes, & often times mask other ailments like depression, schizophrenia, ADD, obesity, I could go on ad infinitum. I know besides masking my ADD, after being on speed 25 years, (way more on than off the last 8 years,) one day after a faithful habit 8 years I get arrested & don't have any more speed for 27 months. I think I threw my system into fucking shock because I gained 80 friggin pounds & I had NEVER been morbidly obese like that.

In my case, I had no meds to help with either kicking, obesity, ADD, or bordom. After 2, especially after 3 months, the boredom went away to the point where I could read books or start to enjoy some things. The ADD was a different story & I had to deal with getting up and moving around after a few minutes as if to let off nervous energy, whereas on speed I could sit and focus for hours on end and concentrate like there was no tomorrow. So, some things I learned to live with, but at least the treacherous apathy had lifted.

I don't know if any of this helps you much, but I would definitely talk to my doctor and tell him/her what you posted to us. I DO understand more than I'd like to the hell of apathy and I can't emphasize how badly it SUCKS! I feel your pain. If you ever need to email me at: [email protected]. I know greenlighters can't PM or I'd say you can PM me. Still, you've got a lot going on, it's not surprising unpleasant shit like this comes up.

I certainly know how you feel not knowing what to do with yourself without drugs (in terms of being high, running & gunning to get high, w/ds, recovering from getting a bit higher than I bargained for on occasion lol.) I mean, check this out. The last 8 years of using before getting busted, I was constantly busy. Sure I might take breaks, but the finality of being clean supposedly forever, feeling bummed because there were 2 things that no matter how hard I tried doing sober, I couldn't & didn't do so well. So I didn't write, compose, do the thing I loved the most because I couldn't get myself into the right mindset, & the ADD was too much for me. I couldn't get the rush from anything the way speed did.

I did however keep busy, & focused on the things I COULD do sober that I suck at high, like taking care of freaken annoying responsibilities I tended to put off either due to lack of money (auto insurance for example was NOT the top priority for THIS dope fiend lol) or if I did have money, I found sacrificing TIME to do this stupid crap even more impossible to give up than money. I tried keeping a journal semi consistently, & I notice doing that made me unlock things I wasn't even aware of and work on them, but that's probably better left to do with a therapist or something. I found NA helpful, but I took Tramadol for a couple weeks as perscribed not knowing it was an antidepressant.

All I know is I never felt "right" again after that & wanted to sleep 12-16 hrs a day & couldn't afford detox. In hindsight, I probably should have told my doctor, but I was too paranoid because I didn't want to admit to being addicted to something....then risk being permanently cut off say if her other meds she might of written for me -- thinking what if they didn't work? I felt bad on Tramadol, well not "bad" per se, but "off", yet I felt WORSE, way worse if I didn't take tramadol. After 9 months, I gave up & returned to the only drug I knew would offer relief, which is meth. Again, don't know if this helps, but at best maybe someone else won't have to make the same mistake I did not telling my doctor.

The boredom & not knowing what to do sober went away after 2-3 months though. Try to keep busy if you can.
 
Try reading the daily newspaper. Force yourself, if you have to, just to read an article at a time. It might get you interested in your city or community. You're gonna find out about lots of things like free concerts, movies, free outings etc. It might get you interested in life again, just reading about how other (normal, sober) people have it.
Go walk downtown. You may pick up other people's vibe and energy. Take $20 (if you can) and decide to buy something. Don't buy the first thing that you see or like. There are lots of stores with discounted prices. Sometimes it can take me a few hours to find it, but I often see shirts, shorts, shoes, whatever for as low as $7 - $15. Shopping always makes me happy!! The point is to just walk.
Sweets and candy help with enery sometimes.
Best of luck to you!! and don't die. C'mon on now! =D
 
well you miss the ups dope can give and obviously youre on a lot of drugs that make you boring and stoned out for the most part. try smoking weed if youre down with that. but it would be better to go outside and find yourself some hobbies.
 
I don't recommend substituting one drug for another ^. Same shit. In the end you might as well use what you actually like.
 
Talk to your psychiatrist about how you're feeling. It's unusual that you're on an anti-psychotic only and not a mood stabiliser as well. There are plenty of other drugs and other combinations of drugs your doctor can use.

Also remember that hypomania and mania intensify everything, so coming back to "normal" feels less energetic, less enthusiastic etc - because we feel so driven when we're manic we tend to forget that motivation isn't an essential ingredient for getting stuff done.
 
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