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This is not true for all people.
I have been addicted to pot, and had many physical withdrawal symptoms upon quitting. This has happened to me each time I quit (after heavy use.)

Thanks for the kudos on the post. You make an interesting point. I guess where I am coming from is that I have to take narcotic painkillers for chronic pain. I tend to over indulge, and on too many occasions have had to go through narcotic withdrawal - sometimes quite severe. Obviously, given this perspective, I was being somewhat comparative. Addiction is addiction. it's a state of mind. A serious pothead is going to have as much difficulty dealing with an addiction as an opiate/opioid user. It doesn't matter what you're using for a crutch - the psychology is the same.

Also, as is clear in this post, I have not used pot on a regular or heavy enough basis for a long time, so I can't really compare the physical withdrawal from recent memory.

Some of the symptoms that you described, I might not automatically attribute to physical withdrawal. A person who takes a non-benzo sleeping tablet every day for a month or two will likely have rebound insomnia when they quit. This doesn't necessarily mean that this is a withdrawal symptom - but more of a readjustment that the body/brain is making. I might say the same for some of the symptoms you (and others in the thread you referred to) experienced. Not so much a withdrawal, as an adjustment. However, some of what you described does sound like withdrawal symptoms. I can't compare as I have not abused pot for a long time.

I guess if I had to adjust my perspective, I would just throw the word 'comparatively' in there somewhere. Given the hell that is narcotic withdrawal, I probably wouldn't notice pot withdrawal, even if I was experiencing it. And perhaps the point still stands in that the pricetag on withdrawing from pot is very low in comparison to other types (for example, if I compare narcotic withdrawal to Benzo withdrawal, the narcotic withdrawal is relatively minor).

Interesting feedback - thanks.
 
^^^Great ideas by slimvictor and TheMerryPrankster^^^

As in all things, it is key to moderate your Marijuana use. I hardly ever smoke twice in a week, and when I do smoke I LOVE IT, due to the way I regulate myself. I like to say I don't have an addictive personality (although there's no way I can say that for sure) and so pot, with negligible (from my perspective) physically addicting aspects, doesn't really pose a threat to me.

However, I have/had a friend/acquaintance (you'll see what I mean) that started smoking about a year and a half ago. His use became heavy, unregulated, and abusive as time passed, until he was the generic definition of a pot-head. Slow, ignorant, no short-term memory, self-centered... I can't explain how annoying and depressing hanging out with him got to be, when all he wanted to do was be high. He didn't use the drug to enhance his life, he used it to shut himself away from his life. Honestly, it got to the point where he seemed high when he actually wasn't. He was that used to being under the influence.

Recently my friends and I purchased a large amount of high-quality Northern Lights for a trip to the beach. Needless to say we were very excited. Everything went well... until this pot-head friend/acquaintance of mine broke into the house we were holding it in, in an attempt to steal it (he wasn't in on the original purchase). He smashed a window with a brick, almost broke an expensive pool table, and ended up fleeing when he found out that the house-owner (one of my friend's stepmothers) was at home. He was caught by the cops, and spent a few nights in jail, after which he served many community service hours.

If anything good came of it, he seemed a changed person. He recognized his "addiction", and didn't deny that he had been addicted. He stopped smoking for about a month. But nothing good ever lasts, and now he's smoking again. I've heard he's dealing. Someday his idiocy is going to hit him harder than it did last time, and there's nothing I can do.

The worst part about it all is that I thought I knew the guy. Now I can't say I do. I talk to him, but I've lost so much respect for him that I can't ask him why he did it. Even more importantly, I can't ask him why he hasn't learned his lesson. The only thing I'm thankful for is that I was never that close to him. Still, it's painful to think that he used to be a normal guy; painful to think that this kind of thing can happen to anyone, under the right circumstances.

What's the moral? MODERATE. I can't say it enough, pot isn't the harmless drug people make it out to be. It definitely isn't heroin, or meth or crack/cocaine. But it is a DRUG, and not to be taken lightly. Almost everything is good in moderation, but almost nothing is good in excess.

Use wisely.
 
^^^Great ideas by slimvictor and TheMerryPrankster^^^

However, I have/had a friend/acquaintance (you'll see what I mean) that started smoking about a year and a half ago. His use became heavy, unregulated, and abusive as time passed, until he was the generic definition of a pot-head. Slow, ignorant, no short-term memory, self-centered... I can't explain how annoying and depressing hanging out with him got to be, when all he wanted to do was be high. He didn't use the drug to enhance his life, he used it to shut himself away from his life. Honestly, it got to the point where he seemed high when he actually wasn't. He was that used to being under the influence.

etc.

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This sounds so much like my friend - who I have finally had a falling out with - and he *was* close to me. I guess the moral of the story is that there is a very predictable pattern to people who smoke pot excessively. It just seems such a *waste* as pot really is one of those things that *can* be used responsibly, and which can enhance your life in so many ways.

Becuase of my own moderate use, I have for a long time really felt that pot is a 'harmless' drug. But having read some of these posts - and lost a friend to it, I have to revise that opinion.

Bummer!
 
Why blame the substance and not the person using it?

Oh I do - what is it I said a while back - "drugs don't kill people - people kill themselves". I guess my observation was not to the wicked nature of pot (if you read my earlier long post - you know that I am totally pro pot) - but to the fact that there is a recognizable pattern to those who do over-indulge. As in - "this is what pot does to you if you overdo it".

There is no question as to where the responsibility lies. There are no bad drugs - just greedy people (and I've been one of them more times than I should)
 
^I read your large post, it was well written and I do agree with it mostly.

Just people can turn any good thing into a bad thing by abusing it. That's the nature of society today - greed.

I'll have to disagree that, "There are no bad drugs" because there are definitely bad drugs out there that ruin lives, regardless of responsibility and discipline of the user.
 
Some great posting going on in CD here. :)

I have what I hope is an interesting perspective on this matter. I'm 26... I've been smoking since my 17th birthday. So 9 years now (my how time flies). Once I really got the effect, the 4th time I smoked, I pretty much immediately started using it daily. Which advanced to constantly pretty quickly. By the middle of my 17th year I was smoking with my friends every chance I got, 2-5 times a day. When I got to college this increased to 8-10 times a day since I no longer lived with my parents - instead I lived in a 3-story house with 8 pothead friends. Someone always wanted to smoke, and whenever we did we'd each pack 2-3 bowls and pass them around. I continued this pattern of usage and saw nothing wrong with it until I was 23. Then I started to resent that it was always on my mind. I started to notice the lack of motivation to advance my life that it was having on me.

A year ago I moved to the mountains and bought my first house with my wife (we have been together since we were 18 and have been potheads together the whole time, but we just got married at the same time as we bought our first house. By the way, avoid this if possible ;)). I found that, suddenly, marijuana stopped becoming a focus in my life. I could take it or leave it... I go days without smoking, and enjoy those days. When I do smoke, it's a hitter or two (of high-quality buds of course), or maybe a bowl. Once in a while, a bong, and I have a marijuana trip rather than a high. I enjoy the positive effects of it much more and experience less negative effects.

My lack of marijuana addiction these days - I'm not sure if it's because of getting older... I think it's more because there is so much around me that is interesting. Therein, I think, lies the solution. You need to replace the time you would normally be using or thinking about marijuana with something else. You need to change your routine. You can't just remove something in your life and not replace it with something else, or there will be a void.

Addiction can be a difficult thing to define, especially to marijuana. I have never experienced any sort of withdrawal symptoms no matter how much I smoked. In fact, I always felt great if I stopped for a few days. I started dreaming again. I felt generally happier, more motivated, more energetic. More social. Yet I was addicted. I can't really say why, except that I have a general desire for mental alteration, and a general tendency toward excess, like a great many people in our society today. And probably throughout human history.

When I was using marijuana all the time, the long-term effects it had on my personality were definitely undesirable. It became hard to socialize. I became lethargic. I became generally kind of paranoid, although not as badly as my wife, who at one point insisted that we smoke with blankets over the second-story windows while we were crouched behind a dresser, for fear that there could be cameras in the trees watching through the tiny slit in the blanket-windows. :|

Now that I smoke much less often, though still at some point most days, I am far more energetic and I feel a lot more happiness. I can step outside and behold the misty mountains and inhale the fresh air and feel exhilaration beyond anything I ever felt when I was high 24/7. I can't say I don't have any motivation problems sometimes because it's always been in my nature, but I am able to get done what I need to get done and plenty that I don't, but want to.

Now I'm no saint, just like the Prankster. I'm currently a kratom addict. For years I was both. I'm working it down. But I'll tell you. Although kratom has a physical addiction for sure, as well as a mental pull, when I was high 24/7 on marijuana the negative effects on my personality were far more severe than kratom's are. With kratom, if I get it and avoid withdrawal, I can live a normal life. I can be social, energetic, productive. When I'm high 24/7, I become so much more dull. And that's not to say I can't get anything done at all, because I can. I did. I was stoned 24/7 in college and I graduated with a 3.98 GPA with a double-major. It didn't make me stupid. But nevertheless it interfered drastically with my ability to live in a happy, well-adjusted life.

I guess what I'm trying to say with this post is that I believe in marijuana as being a good thing, a boon to humanity. But it, like anything else, can be abused and can be a bad thing. When used too much, it creates a cloud over your life that takes a long time to realize is even there. When you're so used to being high 24/7, you forget what it's like to not be. You end up with people smoking in their rooms, cowering behind a dresser, complaining about the people trying to watch. And they just keep on smoking, telling themselves it's harmless.

Anything can be abused, and anything can be used productively. Life is about balance.
 
Seconded.

All the bad stuff aside, I really do long for the day when I can smoke weed without persecution. I hope that day actually comes...

Ummm - OK - can I ask - what do you mean "without Persecution". Obviously I think I have a general idea (like, it's illegal) - but I tend not to let little things like legality get in my way. Personally I find that times have changed. For one - there are so many actual *real* drug problems - and problem drugs - that lil' ol' Mary jane doen't really get much press anymore. But I live on a small island in Canada, so maybe it's just 'cause one in three adults here probably smokes pot.

But even amid potheads that qualify as friends - and who are kind of extremely paranoid - I find myself almost completely unconcerned about the legality - or social attitude towards pot.

I'm curious as to whether this is just me - or the environment in which I live. It's a serious question - and I am not trying to belittle whatever your situation is. But do you really feel persecuted over pot? And if so, why? (I know that pot is way less tolerated in the states than in canada - and I am just used to it kind of being a non issue, for the most part).
 
Ummm - OK - can I ask - what do you mean "without Persecution". Obviously I think I have a general idea (like, it's illegal) - but I tend not to let little things like legality get in my way. Personally I find that times have changed. For one - there are so many actual *real* drug problems - and problem drugs - that lil' ol' Mary jane doen't really get much press anymore. But I live on a small island in Canada, so maybe it's just 'cause one in three adults here probably smokes pot.

But even amid potheads that qualify as friends - and who are kind of extremely paranoid - I find myself almost completely unconcerned about the legality - or social attitude towards pot.

I'm curious as to whether this is just me - or the environment in which I live. It's a serious question - and I am not trying to belittle whatever your situation is. But do you really feel persecuted over pot? And if so, why? (I know that pot is way less tolerated in the states than in canada - and I am just used to it kind of being a non issue, for the most part).

It really must be your environment.

I live in Atlanta, Georgia (USA). Georgia is a pretty unforgivingly conservative state, so you can't really get away with much. Granted, its still weed, and there's still a lot of decriminalization that seems to be taking effect. I do wish it was legal however. Even though I don't have a habit, it's illegality is just an inconvenience. Plus, drug dealers can be major trouble in the big city. (And Atlanta gets bigger every day)

Besides that, I guess my wish is that I could use it in an environment where it is not only legal, but accepted among family and friends. My family wouldn't approve if they knew of my use, I don't think. My friends generally fall into two categories: Those who want to get "fucked up" (an attitude I mostly despise), and those who are completely straight-edged as far as illicit substances go. I'm becoming more immersed in a group of friends who look to drugs for the same reason I look to them: not merely as fun things to do (although they are that, too =D) but as tools and substances that can improve one's life. However, more immersed is not immersed; I am impatient, in short.

So I change/alter my mind. I want to be able to use pot "without persecution" but also in an environment that is more suited to my beliefs and opinions on the substance (and all substances, for that matter).

And now I truly must sleep. :|:|:|
 
It really must be your environment.

I live in Atlanta, Georgia (USA). Georgia is a pretty unforgivingly conservative state, so you can't really get away with much. Granted, its still weed, and there's still a lot of decriminalization that seems to be taking effect. I do wish it was legal however. Even though I don't have a habit, it's illegality is just an inconvenience. Plus, drug dealers can be major trouble in the big city. (And Atlanta gets bigger every day)

etc...

I guess it's partly my environment - but probably with a lot of 'me' thrown in. There are many people here who are very paranoid about it (although, it's not really paranoia, which is technically mostly imagined, by definition - the fear surrounding pot is based in valid concerns).

I left South Africa to dodge the draft. I had to give up my home, family and friends, because I refused to support a system that expected white people to go to Angola and kill black people in order to keep a system in place whose fundamental design was to protect the rights of white people to continue killing black people with impugnity.

So I was a 'rebel' (Hippie, Anarchist, whatever...) of sorts and by dint of the huge sacrifice I made to protest an inhuman system, I stopped caring about the fact that I was breaking the law, when I accepted that the law was unjust, and began to live by my own rules.

I was very paranoid when I was a lot younger (and coincidentally - was smoking a lot more pot than I do now) - more than paranoid - genuinely fearful. But I found, over time, that the more relaxed you are about something like that, the less noticed you seem to be. Douglas Adams (hitchHiker's Guide) proposed a concept called a "Somebody Else's Problem Field" - which essentially meant that if you did something so outrageous in plain sight, that people wouldn't notice you, because there's brains were so ready to explode, that it simply wrote the facts off as Somebody Else's Problem.

My pothead ex-friend, in an effort to hide the fact that he's smoking a joint, exhibits behaviour that he achieves the opposite effect, as he looks so suspicious and furtive.

As the ruler of my own universe, I have legalized pot within my subjective reality, and while I don't flaunt it (I'm not trying to make a statement), I also don't hide it. If we are allowed to drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes - the two most deadly drugs in widespread use), then *no-one* has the right to tell me I can't smoke pot. Life is full of real problems that need my attention - so i choose not to be overly concerned about my smoking pot.

Also, Canada - especially British Columbia, which consistently produces some of the very best pot in the world - is pretty lax over it - as it is with many other substances - and even moreso in my tiny insular community. You'd never be actually 'charged' for possession. I have a buddy here who was growing 30 plants in his caravan. He has MS, and uses it primarily for pain. A few years ago someone ratted on him, and the cops went around to his place to bust him. They were extremely polite, called him "Mister H*r*d*". When he explained about his MS, they told him that he could apply for a growing permit (it is possible for people with certian - usually terminal - diseases - to get a license to grow up to 16 (I believe) plants for personal use. There is also an orhanization called "The COmpassion Club" that will supply eligible people with Super High Quality, low cost pot. So the cops *apologized* to him, as they had to remove the plants. But he was not charged, and did not even have to go down to the police station.

Even though this is a small island, it has a lot of Coke, Meth and Crack - so there is a very blind eye looking in the direction of pot. In order to put all the local pot smokers in jail, would pretty much involve building a very large high wall around the island.

I guess that I am less paranoid than most people about this - and that works for me. Also, as I don't have a regular habit - and I do not have to invest any actual energy into getting a hold of pot - nor do I smoke enough for it to be expensive - so it's a non-issue in thoses contexts.

But I do believe in my inalienable right to take drugs - especially those that are not physically addicting - are largely non-toxic - and which have the ability to expand consciousness, or act as a conduit and sacriment to spiritual beliefs.

If I were ever busted for taking LSD, I would fight it on 'religious' grounds, and I would in fact hunger strike till death if I were convicted and imprisoned. I know that this sounds a little childish and gung-ho, but I am dead serious. I would view incarceration for LSD in the same light as I saw being drafted to kill people to protect an unconscionable political regime. It would be a contravention of my fundamental human rights to 'worship' within my personal spiritual realm.

These substances are a part of nature (for the most part) - and no-one has the right to tell me that I cannot ingest a substance that I know will affect me for the better, and cause no-one else any harm of any kind. FYI - to give you an idea of the difference between the States and Canada, there are a few more examples.

For example, Peyote is fully legal. There are no laws governing peyote growth or use. You can grow it, dry it, and eat it as much as you want - there are no laws on it at all.

Psilocibin Mushrooms are legal to grow and pick - although there may be some restriction regarding drying them.

Opium poppies are completely legal in Canada, and while bleeding them may be questionable as regards the exact legal status, there is certainly no law preventing you from growing them and making a tea or tincture.

What I see in the world as she is now - is that psychedelics are for the most part completely ignored - and most LSD busts occur because the person is being busted for something more serious, but happen to have acid as well. You never read anything regarding people with LSD 'problems'. It's physically completely non-toxic - no-one has ever died as a direct result of ingestion (and the largest dose ever taken was 40 milligrams of pure crystal LSD - so about 400 modern day doses. It was snorted in a lab, by a chemist who thought it was cocaine). So it seems that there is little or no attention paid to LSD, DMT, and other tryptamines. As I understand it, it seems that even many of the MDMA busts are accomplished when busting a meth lab.

The big shame the way I see it is more owing to the fact that pot and acid are not really socially accepetable - so the thing that has affected my life the most is not concern over being busted, but the fact that I cannot openly discuss some of the things that are the most important in my life. That's the reason that I am so seriously happy to have found BlueLight. It's not the same as being able to go out in the world and just be myself - but it does provide a forum in which I can express the specifics about thoughts and experiences without first having to convert the audience into accepting the validity of the psychedelic experience - an almost impossible task among those who are rigidly straight, not because of an informed decision - but simply by dint of successful cultural brainwashing.

I hope that by the time I die I will be leaving a world that has grown up - or at very least become tolerant to my right to explore my own consciousness. But maybe that's a little unrealistic....
 
^^ I don't think it's unrealistic. Marijuana has been decriminalized a little in many U.S. states, and although that's far from a solution, it's a definite start. I just wish the government would concentrate on the massive crack cocaine problem we have downtown and less so on marijuana.
 
you in essence have to ask what actions are considered worth wile or are not wasteful expanding your mind is eventful even if it dont look like it im having fun staring blankly at walls why arent u?
 
I'm in high school, I smoke weed 5-6 times a week on average, I have a 4.42 gpa, I'm taking 3 ap and an honors class next year, and I plan on smoking just as much! Smoking doesn't take over my life, it just adds to it and makes it more fun =D
 
i used to be a lot like you when i first started smoking when i was 16, but than i got heavier into it and school started to get a lot harder....i was still getting mainly A's and a few B's but it was so much harder to maintain those and, to be honest, i think the weed was causing a lot of the stress i was feeling. words can't describe the amount of stress i was constantly under. and with all that stress came a lot of anxiety. not to mention how much smoking affected my memory so bad...didn't help to say the least.

i've always been a shy person, but since i got really into smoking, i've become a closet case basically.

but since i was having so much trouble during high school with it, i've decided i'm quitting for at least a year or two while i'm in college so that i can focus more on that.
 
I find that weed saps my motivation when I smoke it too much. When I started smoking regularly in my last semester of college, my grades dropped (As to B+s). I spent a ton more time socializing and exercising, but doing philosophy was just too hard find energy for.

Then I smoked on the regular in my first year of graduate school and did well enough grade-wise, but again, my motivation was a serious issue. And it showed. Every assignment, every paper, every thick reading, was like climbing a mountain. I just didn't see the point anymore. Often I'd finish schoolwork only because I'd feel better and less guilty when I got high and chilled with friends later. So I cut way back on the weed.

And now my motivation is back. And graduate school sounds more exciting to me again. I can't speak for all marijuana smokers, but in my case, too much of the stuff was clearly pushing me to do less with my life than I'd like to. I need to limit weed (and all drugs) to special occasions. That way weed doesn't distract from my other life projects, and my other life projects don't distract from my weed binges :D
 
I think it all depends on where and how people use their weed. I've fucked up with weed. I've gotten in trouble at school and with law, but however I blame my ownself for this action. I still smoke everyday, but I don't let it get in the way of my priorities. Right now I'm a 21 year old with a GED going to a community college soon. I'm hoping I can work myself up to transfer to a private college and try to pursue myself in getting a Masters or Doctorates.

edit: and yes I smoke and study. I also tend to do more walking when I'm stoned just because I like the environment.
 
18, female, took all honors classes in high school except electives, 9 AP classes, passed 7 of the AP tests (didn't pass the Calculus nor the Spanish AP test), ended up with a 4.31 weighted GPA (due to no dual enrollment), have a job, and I plan to smoke weed in the future and still become a "rocket scientist" (will have a major in Engineering Physics aka Space Science).

Where do you go where you can get a 4.31 GPA and still smoke weed. The valedictorian at my school last year had a GPA of about 4.2, and all she does is work, ever.

I'm not trying to belittle your achievements, I'm just truly interested in knowing. Especially since someone else on this thread said just about the same thing.

I mean what.... you'd have to get grades mostly>100, or at least 1/3 greater than 100, in order to even get a GPA over 4.
 
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