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Does the mind or ego ever really go away?

There are so many people talking about duality.. I honestly don't even know the first thing about the concept, but I cannot imagine it has much legitimacy.

There are so many other things than thought. Your Thought Reality is individual, and has little to do with the Physical Reality (other than taking the stimuli and processing it).
 
Grinding the senses to a halt won't eliminate the ego, the ego undermines all of them and filters them, based on itself. The ego "sees" only what it has been taught to see, meaning the input itself is biased toward prior exposure. You think the world is really as you see it? It's a delusion still in the works. Consciously reseating it instead of letting circumstances snowball takes time, practice and patience.
 
There are so many people talking about duality.. I honestly don't even know the first thing about the concept

Self versus Other
inside versus outside
perceiver versus perceivable

... or more general:
pain/pleasure
desire/boredom
good/evil
hot/cold
young/old
being/becoming
reason/emotion
rest/movement
etc.

Everything in reality has its opposite.
 
What is the opposite of space? A simply negation of space, ie spacelessness, doesn't seem to be "dual" in the same manner of young/old, etc.
 
I think that it is, in a way. "Youth" is really just a lack of age, "cold" a lack of heat, "evil" a lack of good...
 
Thank you Psyduck. Still, I then do not believe in Duality.

This concept is based on the categorization of elements of Existence into a contrasting format (former/latter).
In a human sense, this is also based on the necessity for balance (which is, in turn, based on a cognitive-perceptual bias differentiating between what is believed "good" or "bad").


All of Existence comprises the Totality.
 
What is the opposite of space? A simply negation of space, ie spacelessness, doesn't seem to be "dual" in the same manner of young/old, etc.

time
its a space time continuum

Thank you Psyduck. Still, I then do not believe in Duality.

i never saw duality as something to believe in, its just something we do
we divide in two
you can see the world with 1-unity, 2-duality, 3-triviality, 4-plurality or 0-nothingness
but then nothingness gives birth to 1 which gives birth to infinity...
thats just mathematics and how our brain can figure out reality and how we can experience conciousness imo

you can divide anything by 2, even zero
but the fun part is to divide by zero
 
I actually understand duality, I simply do not experience that often (usually only during analysis).
Normally I see everything in everything.. What would that be? Seeing the world with infinity??
 
^that would be called (m)any things - Omnipresence - Brahman - Dharma

Duality is the Ego, up down L and R, hot and cold etc.

i connected with Gnostic theory, and the Pillars initially, Yin and Yang is an example of Duality.
when there is a strong connection between all these dualities, an "Omnipresence" is made aware of.

again with the tree-of-life, the creation of it, of us and all is the combining of Black and White, to create Gray, Silver, Quick-Silver
Mercury Ether etc.
:-)

like a Chess-Board
 
Then how is it possible that I have an ego? I do.
Ego is the functional perception model that shapes reality.
I definitely perceive..
But if the two concepts are separate (Brahman and Ego), then this could not be.
 
it is a funnel - a venture - 11:11 - the 3rd eye

>I<

1-squared

ill make a fool of myself even more trying to explain...

look into what the Free Masons, King SoLoMoN, Osiris and Isis have to say...
;-)

between the truth and untruth is the experience we have
between you and i, is the presence of a we or us.
??lol

rough night

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it can be hard to look away
 
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I actually understand duality, I simply do not experience that often (usually only during analysis).
Normally I see everything in everything.. What would that be? Seeing the world with infinity??

well thats plurality from what i was saying with those numbers, and thats great, limited people often cant get pass duality, like "you are either with or against us", the world is black n withe, no place for triviality
but eventually there is a million angle at the same time and yeah "everything in everything" makes sense
but then its easy to loose balance if you dont come back
if you want to keep balance you go back n forth,
if you fall north you go south, if you fall east you go west, you always balance it out as not to fall
be it with your body or you mind cuz both are one
so you breath in, you breath out, your heart pumps the blood back, and forth
the day, the night, the seasons all come and go, back n forth
its how you make baby, you go back n forth
its the basic motion of the universe if you brain simplify it all
and if you can connect with that on a physical level, as not to fall on the floor,
and if you balance your heart beat on it, and you balance your breathing on it
you can divide yourself up, up to 0, and be part of it all

if you are Seeing the world with infinity its time to come back to basic
maybe ?
sorry im just pushing my own view : )

i mean as a baby you are part of everything (1), then you learn about good and bad, left and right (2)...
then you can get familiar with triviality and that things arent necessarily as simple as "good OR bad" (3)
and from there there is a million ways to go (4)

but then you might have lost touch with the unity of it all so you might go for religion or various philosophies
you relearn those numbers backward
as to be able to go back and forth, back n forth, back n forth like you are having sex with life
you see the world as 1, as 2, as 3, as ∞

cuz its all part of the same 0 which is this very moment, the present, the eternal present, its always now, but its never "there", it always moves, without moving
like a tree, the tree stand still, it never moves, but its always moving, growing roots, the leaves are waving in the wind, but the tree doesnt do anything, it just is
and if you can go back to zero you can just be without doing

and to go back to the title of this thread :
Does the mind or ego ever really go away?

i think it does, in those instance where you loose yourself in the moment
similar to what l2r was saying about dancing
dancing was part of shamanism tradition, where you become part of something bigger
you can go beyond the ego and have a sense of self, and you can go beyond having a sense of self and still having the experience of consciousness but thats where it end, where you come back
which is pretty weird stuff
 
^
exactly

that is why i cant explain it - i was given a million answers, but they are useless because i dont know how to question them.

sounds crazy - so i dont say it

you just did
ninjadanslarbretabar, this is what ive been doing here since Valentines morning '11, at 2:30 am or so...
"but then you might have lost touch with the unity of it all so you might go for religion or various philosophies
you relearn those numbers backward
as to be able to go back and forth, back n forth, back n forth like you are having sex with life
you see the world as 1, as 2, as 3, as ∞ "
 
I'm still not convinced. I do not base my beliefs solely on the experience or teachings of others, and I have yet to come across any empirical evidence for this duality.

I do not feel the duality. I do not feel the back and forth, or the balance.
That is, I do not need to compensate for any feeling. I simply feel and understand.

Since there is no universe aside from that I create, I cannot subscribe to any concept that postulates a basic movement of life.
All life is subjective and based on probability and affect. Therefore, the basic motion, if anything, would have to be simple iteration, generation of thought.
Like, an outward expansion, not a back and forth motion.

These are just my thoughts though. I base it all on subjective self-evidence and empirical experimentation and theorizing by experts in the field.
I find it tough to trust purely experiential ideas and those based on spirituality (although this thought system lends itself easily to spiritual compulsions).
 
what about breathing and your heart beat ?
they always go back n forth
if you like to meditade, or just lay in bed, or just now sitting on a chair, you close your eyes, but dont have to, but what if you stop thinking, and observe, you cant keep still, you cant stop it all, cuz you heart beat never stop, your breathing never stop
that back and forth doesnt need empirical evidence does it ?

Since there is no universe aside from that I create

if your heart stops or if you stop breathing, well you stop creating that universe no ?

((and hi btw, im just playing for the sake of discussion, i dont care to push my point of view on you :) , and hi pip, nice to meet you both))
 
Yes, and also I've realized that I am not being very receptive.
I really do understand what the concept is about, and I recognize that it presents itself in some instances.

You know what I just realized, too?
I just don't believe in believing in anything except The Fact. (That's what I call It ha ha) :)

Still, also, I can definitely control my mind and body.
I don't think I have the sheer force of will to completely abstain from breath until I die, or to physically stop my heart from beating completely..
But I for sure can stop every thought. I call it Observation of Reality.
Is there not a similar term in Hindi? (If that is what you subscribe to; I just assumed, sorry ha.)

Additionally, breath and heartbeat are not physically opposing.
Both are resultant of direction by the mind.
I believe that this is much more expressive of The Fact.
(That breath and heartbeat [Infinite Iteration] are controlled by the brain [The Fact].)

Also, the universe will not end when I die due to the Infinite Iteration.
I am only one Manifestation of Expression; one facet of The Fact.
 
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I recognize that it presents itself in some instances.

it can present itself in all instance
lets start with 0
there is nothing until 1 comes along
lets say that 1 is love
well thats good but what if you loose it and go back to 0
well you cant go back to 0 cuz its nothing (unless you die i guess)
so where you end up is at -1, its the absence of love, and that doesnt feel good now that you know what having love was like
so the duality between 1 and 0 created + and -
but you aint got -0 and +0 cuz 0 is not there, its no thing
so you get -1 and +1 cuz of the relation between 1 and 0
cuz of the relation between something and nothing
so if you create something (1) out of nothing (0) you create a duality (-,+)
so -1 + 1 = 0
or +1 - 1 = 0
0 is the center of the universe, its what everything balance itself from
there is always a 0 in the middle, wherever you put that middle,
and 0 gives birth to 1 and 1 gives birth to 2 (-,+) cuz 1+1=2 but it means any other numbers
once you have the possibility to add things up (+) everything else will follow (2,3,4....+∞-)

so duality is just duality, it doesnt have to mean shit
but you can find it in anything

and on a personal level 0 is what you are before you came to life
and now that you are 1 there is stuff around you
some are good, some are bad
but something good like your mom creates the possibility of something bad, like her absence
or something bad like a full diaper creates the possibility of something good, like not sitting in your own shit
things arent good or bad by themself, they are given a value of + or - in their relation with you 1
but it all arise from the dynamic of life (1) and death (0)





Still, also, I can definitely control my mind and body.
I don't think I have the sheer force of will to completely abstain from breath until I die, or to physically stop my heart from beating completely..
But I for sure can stop every thought. I call it Observation of Reality.
Is there not a similar term in Hindi? (If that is what you subscribe to; I just assumed, sorry ha.)

well you can stop breathing and stop you heart using your will, but its called killing yourself
and i dont subscribe to hinduism, im influenced by lots of things, but it always comes back to my own experience, i try to "subscribe" to happiness

and i wasnt saying that heart beat and breathing are opposite
but then again duality doesnt necessarily means opposite
like sex, do you oppose to sex with the opposite sex ?
they are opposite but they are complimentary
duality implies this interdependence

as for things being controlled by the brain, well sure like said earlier you can kill yourself, your the boss
but at the same time your brain evolved for the sake of working for the heart who evolved for the sake of your sex
your heart is there to move your sex around for the sake of better chances at survival
and your brain is there to make better decision about where your heart is going and what its going for
its all survival for the sake of evolution cuz chaos likes to express itself that way
and if your heart stop beating you are dead
if we stop having sex the species die
if your head stop thinking you are in a coma and your body is still alive cuz your heart doesnt need your head, your heart is the boss, and its boss is your sex
but its all about interdependence
everyone is working for everyone for the sake of everyone
its all about balancing yourself to it

and "the fact" could be your tao (which is "the way" "the path"), your god, its your center point
and thats good to have (whatever you like to call it)

:)
 
You believe in duality, and that is why you perceive that way.

The way I see numbers, there are three.
One is The Observed.
Two is The Observer.
And Three (which is also what I call Recognition) is the Act Of Observation.

These three concepts interact in every cosm in every experience, comprising Existence.

The way I see the concept of duality is expressed in your statement regarding how you can see duality in everything.
This is an aspect of my Fact. It is also a tenet of relational quantum mechanics.

There is nothing without an observer. Everything that can be observed (Existence) is formless, until it is given form by an observer through the act of observation.
This is how our mind perceives reality, and this is how Existence expresses and experiences Itself suggestively. We are all Manifestations.
 
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