Does the DEA have a stance on why alcohol is legal?

[bomber]

Alcohol can cause liver disease is dangerous so it's safer to legalize (people less likelu to abuse something toxic) the problem with Kratom or opiates it's that it's too good and the dea don't want you to have too much fun. The main reason is simply this: " One must not have too much fun in life. Kf you do, you must suffer-"- DEA . If I was dea, I might as well illegalize feeling euphoric. Got a job promotion? You're going to jail for 24 hours buddy. We don't want you to experience that natural high from life. Or from anything at all. Just had sex and smoked a cigaretre? An officer will come ask how you're feeling. If you say "good". Off to jail buddy!

So DEA guys are just sadists who want stop people feeling good? I'd bet all my money that's not true.

 

[belligerent drunk]

But your missing the point people could make alcohol before farming by letting food rot... growing plants was perhaps one of the biggest achievements of man don't belittle it

You misunderstood what kind of plant-eating I meant. Before agriculture. When people could only wander around their surroundings looking for food. Plants (and mushrooms) can be used for food. Now imagine getting intoxicated while trying to fend off hunger. It's not that dissimilar to your scenario with alcohol (which I also agree with).

So DEA guys are just sadists who want stop people feeling good? I'd bet all my money that's not true.

I would bet all my money it's about money. What's more likely? That they're organized sadists, or they fear losing money/livelihood?

Everyone I know has a blind spot when it comes to alcohol--just look at the way we always say, "drugs and alcohol" or "hard drugs" or "addictive drugs", leaving alcohol out of that definition.

This annoys me to no end. People think that coffee is just a drink that stimulates you and makes you feel good kinda (or anxious depending on the person); alcohol is just a drink that gets you silly and happy (or depressed, again depends), lowers your inhibitions and so on; tobacco, in smoking form, is a cylindrical object, which when smoked provides a short-lived state of relaxation, and stimulation. And then there's DRUGS. Which get you addicted, destroy your life, deteriorate your mental and physical health, have no medical value¹, and any one who uses them deserves to be stigmatized and looked-down upon, because they not only destroy their lives, but also are hardened criminals.

Now, in reality, there are just substances that have psychotropic activity in humans. Caffeine is an adenosine receptor antagonist, ethanol positively modulates GABA_A circuits (among others, it has many targets, like NMDAr), tobacco deals with the acetylcholine receptor system, heroin affects the opioidergic receptor system, and that little pill a normal mom takes before sleep (or has to take throughout the day to deal with anxiety) also positively modulates GABA transmission, and that IV push you may get in a hospital given right circumstances is diacetylmorphine, or plain morphine, or some other opioid. Point is - everything's a drug, and what differentiates one from another is its pharmacological action, and possible metabolic toxicity² .

1. compounds like heroin are claimed to have no medical value, but a substance known as diamorphine (the trivial name for diacetylmorphine... heroin) yet is used when a heavy painkiller needs to be used. Loads and loads of already established and potential uses for cannabis (THC and CBD).
2. Metabolic toxicity and receptor-induced toxicity are two different things, albeit they may happen concurrently. The latter is what happens in a typical drug (say heroin) overdose - the receptors are activated so intensively that it, in this example, decreases breathing so much that death due to hypoxia may result. Metabolic toxicity, for example, makes methanol a lousy alcohol-replacement. It's metabolized into formaldehyde and formic acid, which (by a mechanism I don't remember) cause death. Same goes for ethylene glycol - could be a good GABAergic, but alas, too much oxalate (metabolite of ethylene glycol) isn't very kidney-friendly.

So with all this in mind, I always try to say something along the lines of "alcohol and other drugs". Nobody will think of alcohol if you just say "drugs", so I still include it in the phrase, but make it so it's in the same category as "drugs".

End rant.