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Does THC stay permanently active after heating one time?

hydroazuanacaine said:
happens during the curing process. bluelight and other internet forums have significantly misinterpreted articles about it--to the point where people are putting their weed in the oven before making butter with it.

cured weed does not need to be "heated" to activate the thc. if you wanna smoke it, you need to heat it to get it in your lungs.

the reason it does not work well when you eat it raw is the same reason you cannot survive off of grass if you get lost in the woods: your stomach cant break it down well enough.
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So if it does not need to be heated to be active are you saying it must be decarboxylized? And what breaks it down enough for it to get us high?
 
^i am saying if your weed was not "decarboxylized" before you bought it, you'd be pissed.

what breaks nug matter down enough for us to get high? heat or a solvent.
 
What does the solvent do to the weed to make it active? And what does the heat do to it in conjunction?
 
the solvent does not make the weed active. the thc and cannaboids dissolve in the solvent, and then your stomach can absorb them.
 
Think of it this way dude, you eat a nug, and it gets broke down a bit, but only really scratches the outside.

You dissolve that same nug into some kind of solvent, when you get that in your stomach the nugs already been broken down and gets absorbed easier. :)


Thats my take on it anyway, if i'm wrong kick me in the nuts
 
hmm... how could ganja be decarboxylated by curing? it is not a process involving heat... it only serves to properly distribute moisture throughout the buds...

also if all cannabis is decarboxylated by the curing process then wouldnt hash or keif from those buds be very active? especially if the trichomes have been burst? I mean its concentrated cannabinoids that are decarboxylated, why would a solvent even be needed if they are active and ready to go without being trapped in plant matter?

Iv had experiences making hash coffee where it is barely active if i heat it for 10 instead of 15 minutes. It is mostly dissolved in the coffee oils by that point but it doesnt seem to work. I used the same amount/hash/coffee/preperation/tools many times and it always got me and friends very high, but the couple times we were impatient and did not heat it for at least 15min no one who partook felt much of any effects.
 
Student said:
it only serves to properly distribute moisture throughout the buds...
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negative.

i am no expert on this, but my understanding is

a certain temp will cause rapid decarboxylation. but, it will also happen on it's own over time at normal temps. weed needs to be cured after it is dried to make this happen. the popular method is to put the weed in a airtight jar for an extended period of time. i think there is also some "quick cure" that involves heat. i dont really know if any of this is true; i just know you do not need to put your purchased-at-street-level weed in the oven to make it thc instead of thca. that shit is ready to go.

why would a solvent even be needed if they are active and ready to go without being trapped in plant matter?
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i think it is more complicated than the thc being trapped in the green plant matter.




i dont know anything about hash coffee. apparently it requires heating.
 
hydroazuanacaine said:
a certain temp will cause rapid decarboxylation
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Correct.

hydroazuanacaine said:
but, it will also happen on it's own over time at normal temps.
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If conditions are suitable, yes.
hydroazuanacaine said:
weed needs to be cured after it is dried to make this happen.
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Not necessarily. It is my understanding that curing is usually done directly after drying, to redistribute the remaining moisture in buds that is left after drying. However, there are indeed 'quick cure' methods however most invovle cool air not hot/warm air. Heat can be applied during the cure, however heat will eventually dehydrogenate THC into CBN. It is best then to cure the weed without significant heat

hydroazuanacaine said:
i think it is more complicated than the thc being trapped in the green plant matter.
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It is not. Cannabinoids are readily found in cells and tissue matter of plants(as their carboxylic acid form as I mentioned above)

All that is necessary for said cannabinoids to be 'active' is a chemical reaction, decarboxylation specifically. And heat speeds up chemical reactions, so when one smokes cannabis they not only decarboxylate the desired cannabinoids but also vaporize them so they can easily be inhaled.
 
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^ lol wut?

im going to try and read into this a bit more. I just dont think that curing decarboxylates thc. Maybe ADD people could help?
 
Curing decarboxylates THC, albeit at a much slower rate. After roughly a year of curing at 20 degrees celcius 50% of the THC-COOH's have been decarboxylated into THC.

Eine langsame Decarboxylierung saurer Cannabinoide ist aber auch schon bei Raumtemperatur möglich. So waren in einem bolicianschen Cannabis kraut nach einem Jahr Lagerung ungefähr 50% fer ursprünglich vorhandenen THCS-Menge zum neutralen THC decarboxyliert.
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Brenneisen R. Psychotrope drogen: II. Bestimmung der Cannabinoide in Cannabis sativa L. und in annabisprodukten mittels Hochdruckflüssigkeitschromatographie (HPLC).
Pharm Acta Helv 1984; 59: 247-59
 
ok it's pretty simple:

Heat catalyzes (speeds up) the rate at which your cannibinoids are decarboxylated from a near-useless state, to a useful state. I've been told the liver does this also, but burning / ovening it is just as, if not more effective.

Heat catalyzes the rate at which your cannibanoids are absorbed into a fat or suitable solvent so that they can be ingested orally

These processes are reproducible at lower temperatures, but a catalyst SPEEDS up the reaction and INCREASES EFFICIENCY (absorption / decarboxylation), but is not technically necessary.
 
There are two related threads on the same page that I found this one on . utfse
 
Don Quixote said:
ok it's pretty simple:

Heat catalyzes (speeds up) the rate at which your cannibinoids are decarboxylated from a near-useless state, to a useful state. I've been told the liver does this also, but burning / ovening it is just as, if not more effective.
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You're correct we do indeed have decarboxylase enzymes in the liver and other organs.
 
Rude Rabbit said:
What I am asking is when the molecule is activated by heat (as it cannot be possible to get you high by just eating it raw) how long does it take to become inactive by cooling? What is the temperature for the active THC to diminish into a non-active substance once again?
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You've got everything completly wrong, your thinking of THC and weed as the same thing, they arent. You need to heat weed yes, when smoking to release the cannabinoids into the smoke, or when cooking, to aid in the process of extracting the compounds and like mentioned above the heating also turns some nonactive compounds into more active ones.

Now you keep speeking of thc and weed as the same thing so what im saying is there not, if you had pure thc, you could eat it and get very high, without heat. The reason eating raw bud doesnt work is the human body lacks the proper enzyemes to fully digest and break down the plant materials.

After seeing all 3 threads talking about basically the same thing only slightly different I really suggest you do alot of research into the basics of cannabis and chemisty, as the time you spend doing that will save you alot of time in the long run.
 
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