verbal
Bluelighter
I got some orange butterflies today. I tested them and they turned red/brown REALLY slowly. It took it about a minute to turn brown. Does the speed mean anything?
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Does speed of color change mean anything?
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Dr_Rolls_MD[MA]
Bluelight Crew
hey dude, my friends had the same pills. They are cut with a lot of speed. I doubt that there is any mdxx in it. If you like amphetamines it is definately worth taking, but not worth the price. you won't roll. you'll just have some really nice speed. If i had them i'd probably rail them and get speeded off my mind. but these are just my opinions.
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aj
Bluelighter
The only thing this reaction tells you is that this particular pill does not contain an Ecstasy like substance
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candyflip
Bluelighter
To answer your actual question Verbal, yes it does.
If you tested two known samples of an amphetamine like 'street' speed (as opposed to the pharmacy prescribed version
), one very strong and one quite weak, you will see two very marked differences.
In the strong sample, the reaction may be a fizzing and/or a rapid colour change to a deep orange/red. In the weaker sample, no fizzing and/or a very slow change to a weak yellow/brown/orange occurs. This difference in reaction speed is repeated across most all popular street drugs used with the Marquis Reagent.
In this way, we can begin to tell the difference in indicated strengths between samples of E, speed and others substances.
As AJ is very fond of repeating, the speed of the reaction won't tell you if you have a sample of MDMA in your hands. But let's face it: Marquis reagent (as found in 'E' and the 'EZ Test') is used for a lot more than just testing ecstasy, and so yes, the speed of the rection seen can indicate either a greater or lesser concentration of the drug sample under observation.
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Drugs are the answer, now what was the question?....
If you tested two known samples of an amphetamine like 'street' speed (as opposed to the pharmacy prescribed version
In the strong sample, the reaction may be a fizzing and/or a rapid colour change to a deep orange/red. In the weaker sample, no fizzing and/or a very slow change to a weak yellow/brown/orange occurs. This difference in reaction speed is repeated across most all popular street drugs used with the Marquis Reagent.
In this way, we can begin to tell the difference in indicated strengths between samples of E, speed and others substances.
As AJ is very fond of repeating, the speed of the reaction won't tell you if you have a sample of MDMA in your hands. But let's face it: Marquis reagent (as found in 'E' and the 'EZ Test') is used for a lot more than just testing ecstasy, and so yes, the speed of the rection seen can indicate either a greater or lesser concentration of the drug sample under observation.
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Drugs are the answer, now what was the question?....
verbal
Bluelighter
Thanks for the answers. =)
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aj
Bluelighter
"But let's face it: Marquis reagent (as found in 'E' and the 'EZ Test') is used for a lot more than just testing ecstasy, and so yes, the speed of the rection seen can indicate either a greater or lesser concentration of the drug sample under observation."
But you are on a very slippery path/edge/whatever here.
Hope you understand that but this discussion, we had it before.
We think that those kits should only be used to test for E, not for other substances.
aj
But you are on a very slippery path/edge/whatever here.
Hope you understand that but this discussion, we had it before.
We think that those kits should only be used to test for E, not for other substances.
aj
verbal
Bluelighter
I never said anything about testing other substances. I was only curious if speed of the color change meant anything. Thats all..
Verbal
Verbal
The Furious DJ
Bluelighter
I may be wrong, but doesn't a SLOW change to black mean the presence of DXM? Whereas a fast change to black is MDMA?
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johnboy
Bluelight Crew
change time with DXM is not the critical factor. the MDxx reaction will usually have some element of blue/purple to it, before the solution is entirely black. DXM has none ofthis blue tinge and is a very distinctive grey/ black.
second generation testers apparently have a very conclusive DXM reaction so this shouldnt be a problem anymore.
rant/policy following everyone please read:
ok just to define a few terms to keep everyone playing nice.
EZ Test is the registered brand name of a product produced by a company that aj works for. it is basically a packaged form of marquis reagent.
Marquis Reagent is the generic name of the chemical solution itself. many different companies release marquis reagents under different brand names.
aj is saying that EzTest policy is that the product Ez Test is meant to be used for the screening of "ecstasy"-like substances only. he is constantly reminding us of that, as is his right, it's his product after all. now this is different from saying that all marquis reagents are only suitable for this type of testing.
marquis reagent have always been used to test for a wider range of drugs than the "ecstasy" class, and always will be. there will always be the debate over their accuracy etc, but that said people,including police, will still use them to sceen for other substances.
now the original question in this thread did not specify that they were tallking about EzTest or another brand of tester, or indeed a generic mix. so aj and candyflip arguing over these points is a bit useless. you are both right, but also both wrong.
aj can make whatever statements about his product that he feels necessary. it's his ass that is on the line legally. all sorts of products have different uses than the manufacturer intended, but it is in that manufacturers interest to at least attempt to limit those uses to the ones that they intended the product to have.
take whippets. we all know it contains nitrous oxide and they can be inhaled. but it stresses on the box that if you do that its your own damn fault. this is where, i feel, aj's protestations are coming from. do what you want with the tester, but anything outside these boundaries i cant help you with.
now could i ask everyone asking questions, as well as those answering them, to please use either the generic term for the tests, or specify which product you are talking about, and let this semantic difference be reflected in your question/answer. this will hopefully cut down on the confusion.
[This message has been edited by johnboy (edited 26 December 2000).]
second generation testers apparently have a very conclusive DXM reaction so this shouldnt be a problem anymore.
rant/policy following everyone please read:
ok just to define a few terms to keep everyone playing nice.
EZ Test is the registered brand name of a product produced by a company that aj works for. it is basically a packaged form of marquis reagent.
Marquis Reagent is the generic name of the chemical solution itself. many different companies release marquis reagents under different brand names.
aj is saying that EzTest policy is that the product Ez Test is meant to be used for the screening of "ecstasy"-like substances only. he is constantly reminding us of that, as is his right, it's his product after all. now this is different from saying that all marquis reagents are only suitable for this type of testing.
marquis reagent have always been used to test for a wider range of drugs than the "ecstasy" class, and always will be. there will always be the debate over their accuracy etc, but that said people,including police, will still use them to sceen for other substances.
now the original question in this thread did not specify that they were tallking about EzTest or another brand of tester, or indeed a generic mix. so aj and candyflip arguing over these points is a bit useless. you are both right, but also both wrong.
aj can make whatever statements about his product that he feels necessary. it's his ass that is on the line legally. all sorts of products have different uses than the manufacturer intended, but it is in that manufacturers interest to at least attempt to limit those uses to the ones that they intended the product to have.
take whippets. we all know it contains nitrous oxide and they can be inhaled. but it stresses on the box that if you do that its your own damn fault. this is where, i feel, aj's protestations are coming from. do what you want with the tester, but anything outside these boundaries i cant help you with.
now could i ask everyone asking questions, as well as those answering them, to please use either the generic term for the tests, or specify which product you are talking about, and let this semantic difference be reflected in your question/answer. this will hopefully cut down on the confusion.
[This message has been edited by johnboy (edited 26 December 2000).]