Does DMT Fumarate burn mucous membranes?

[Ismene]

Anyone tried taking DMT Fumarate rectally? Does it burn a hole in your arse like the freebase does?

 

[Arimane]

No, at all. Fumarate is a salt, is water soluble, and will not leave you with pain, burns or nothing =)

A warm feeling yeap, but no burning. Let us know how it goes =)

 

[Jesusgreen]

Being a salt and water soluble doesn't mean something won't burn when snorted.

*cough* 2C-E HCl *cough*

As for the OPs question, I'm not sure, I guess someone else will have to answer. I imagine it'd burn somewhat at least though.

 

[Ismene]

Can you simply dump DMT freebase in a solution of fumaric acid, stir it and dilute to drink?

 

[mr.mackey]

if you intend to consume your dmt orally, why not dissolve it in something acidic like orange juice or coke. Converting DMT freebase to the fumarate salt is not too difficult, but is more complicated than simply dissolving them both in water (check out the FASA method). Snorting the fumarate salt isn't exactly comfortable, but it is exponentially more comfortable than snorting DMT freebase

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

I dont see what the big deal about DMT insuflation is.... I snorted some (about 25mg or so) of fairly white FB , rextaled twice, so fairly pure, but not super pure)

It burnt a little bit, but it was more of a stinging than a burning.

It was absolutely no where near the pain of 2c-e, or even 2c-i.

I could see it being worthwhile to snort 40 to 60mg , and after I get some cash again and do my next extraction I am planning on doing this.

From what I have heard the Fumuric salt is the least painful formulation of DMT for insuflation. If it is anything less painful than the FB then it should not be too bad at all.

I believe the ratio is 2:1 fumaric acid to dmt . Mix the fumaric acid into napth , in a separate bowl mix DMT in naptha also, then pour the two solutons together and watch the crystals form right before your eyes. Then simply evaporate your naptha to yield DMT fumarate. (I think anyways.... )

 

[Ismene]

if you intend to consume your dmt orally, why not dissolve it in something acidic like orange juice or coke. Converting DMT freebase to the fumarate salt is not too difficult, but is more complicated than simply dissolving them both in water (check out the FASA method). Snorting the fumarate salt isn't exactly comfortable, but it is exponentially more comfortable than snorting DMT freebase

Tried the coke and orange - they still make you throw your guts up. They are also too alkaline to take rectally.

I'm hoping the fumarate isn't nauseating when taken orally or failing that it's not so alkaline that it gives your rectum alkali burns.

Why can't you just drop it in fumaric acid? You only have to drop the freebase in coca-cola to get the phosphate salt.

 

[mr.mackey]

Lol, sorry I clearly didn't read your original post...Ive used the fumarate salt rectally and it doesn't burn at all. that is unfortunate about the orange juice and coke still being nauseating...

You might be able to dissolve dmt freebase with fumaric acid in water, but if your not going to isolate it for injection or snorting, i think it would be kind of a waste as fumaric acid is relatively expensive, at least in comparison to other options. You could make a rectal solution using acetic acid (vinegar) which would not be too acidic or be uncomfortable (ive dissolved DMT freebase in acetic acid for IM injection and it was very easy to keep the pH relatively neutral and still dissolve all the dmt)

 

[Ismene]

Och aye Mr Mackay!

Actually I've just priced up some fumaric acid and it seemed pretty cheap - £4.50 for 100g.

You think I could just mix the DMT freebase into the fumaric acid, make sure it's pH neutral and shoot it up my bunghole? If you could do the same with white vinegar maybe it's as well to just use the vinegar.

 

[mr.mackey]

Oooo that is pretty cheap, enjoy.

I think that sounds like a good idea, you might want to see what people think in ADD because my chemistry is a little rusty.

I made the acetate salt by dissolving the dmt in the smallest amount of vinegar possible and then evaporating the vinegar off, which left a slightly gooey residue which I then redissolved in a tiny bit of water (.1-.2 ml). It seems more water soluble than dmt fumarate too, which is a plus.

 

[Ismene]

That's interesting, so you can dissolve fairly large amounts of DMT freebase in tiny amounts of vinegar? 1-2ml? Did you find the pH value gets down from the alkaline freebase levels to be something close to neutral that you'd feel safe inserting where the sun don't shine?

I'm just thinking of the times I tried mixing DMT freebase in small amounts of coca-cola, it never really dissolved unless you used about half a pint. And it was still so alkaline that it could burn your tongue. Obviously vinegar dissolves it a lot better?

 

[mr.mackey]

The most I ever dissolved was 80mg in about 1ml, and then I evaporated it down to about .4ml. I was never too worried about the pH because it dissolved pretty readily, producing a relatively clear (slightly yellowish) solution. I also tried dabbing some on my tongue (lol my crude pH meter right?) and it didn't burn at all so I figured it would be fine and it was. Acetic acid is much more acidic than coke so it makes sense that it would dissolve dmt more easily.

how big of a dose did you want to prepare?

 

[Ismene]

Thinking about going with something around 200mg for starters. Maybe higher. I've always found DMT very friendly the only thing that puts me off high doses was the horrible nausea when you take it orally.

Thanks for your advice Mackey you've helped a lot.

 

[mr.mackey]

I think you should be able to dissolve 200mg in a couple ml of acetic acid pretty easily. If it seems to be having difficulty going into the solution I would try heating it up a bit.

Oh I hear you, I love DMT, but am a little hesitant to try it orally again unless Im camping or in a place were I can vomit profusely because I don't like spending most of my time tripping on DMT in the proximity of a toliet. Let me know how it goes cuz I never tried a bigger dose IR, the most I did was 30mg, just to see if it would work and that was just a little above threshold for me.

No problem, its all in the name of science

 

[Ismene]

Orally it can be very difficult. Although the "DMT in coca-cola" works occasionally sometimes you start feeling sick just with the smell of the coca-cola.

But if there's zero nausea with a couple of ml rectally then DMT is the perfect psychedelic. Greatest bodyhigh and the most awe-inspiring psychedelic effects. It's like being God for a couple of hours :D

 

[Arimane]

Being a salt and water soluble doesn't mean something won't burn when snorted.

*cough* 2C-E HCl *cough*

As for the OPs question, I'm not sure, I guess someone else will have to answer. I imagine it'd burn somewhat at least though.

For sure, also 5-meo hcl is, for me, pretty intense burning, but rectally is no pain (both with 5-meo and dmt)

 

[mr.mackey]

Orally it can be very difficult. Although the "DMT in coca-cola" works occasionally sometimes you start feeling sick just with the smell of the coca-cola.

But if there's zero nausea with a couple of ml rectally then DMT is the perfect psychedelic. Greatest bodyhigh and the most awe-inspiring psychedelic effects. It's like being God for a couple of hours :D

Thats why I love intramuscular DMT, it packs quite the punch, yet is so smooth, not as jarring as IV or smoked DMT and without the violent nausea of oral dmt.

It might not be a bad idea to take some harmaline (or harmine) prior to administering it, it certainly increases duration and adds its own sense of tranquility to the experience, or at least in my experience

 

[fractal fountain]

Orally? DMT is active orally without the use of an MAOI? This I did not know.

 

[mr.mackey]

Orally? DMT is active orally without the use of an MAOI? This I did not know.

no....it is not active orally without an MAOI, i just referred to dmt taken orally with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor as oral dmt, lol so that I wouldnt have to type it out. Sorry for the confusion I may have caused

 

[Ismene]

Tried it rectally for the first time this evening. 300mg of moclobemide and then after about 20 minutes I took quite a large dose of DMT freebase dissolved in 6ml of white vinegar. I was expecting a steady 20 minute comeup like oral but within about 2 minutes of taking it I was at the peak of the biggest DMT trip I've ever experienced. Managed to stagger to the toilet and vomit and then evacuate my bowels. About as much fun as being in a car crash. I knew I was in trouble when I tried closing my eyes to decrease the visuals and I was seeing exactly the same thing with my eyes open or closed. Within about 15 minutes I was back to baseline.

Going to have to experiment with a smaller dose that you can actually hold up your arse for longer to get a trip that lasts as long as oral.