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Does being a dissociative druggie mean that my weed highs will be dissociative?

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I do a lot of dissociatives. Well, I used to. DXM, Diphenhydramine, Salvia, Nitrous, etc.

Here's the problem. After a terrible, regrettable experience involving DXM + Diphenhydramine (just thinking about that combo makes me cringe now) + Weed, every time I get high, I dissociate.

I have quit DXM and Diph permanently because they both are terrible for my mind and body in the long run and I get sick and nauseous just thinking about either of them. However, the dissociative effects to my high persists.

It's a really weird flavoring to have to your weed highs, really. I know people get more introspective when they smoke weed after shrooms and shit like that, but I've never heard anything about dissociating.

Looking in the mirror is so awkward now. The person in the mirror is me and I'm fully aware of that, but at the same time it is a completely different person staring back at me. Unsettling, to say the least.
 
How long ago was the last time you used a dissociative? It might take you a while to reintegrate back into 'normal' life if it hasn't been long and if you used frequently for a long time. It might even be best for you to not smoke ganja for a little while...

Also, diphenhydramine is an anticholinergic deleriant, not a dissociative.

Welcome to BL!
 
stonedandrolling89 said:
How long ago was the last time you used a dissociative? It might take you a while to reintegrate back into 'normal' life if it hasn't been long and if you used frequently for a long time. It might even be best for you to not smoke ganja for a little while...

Also, diphenhydramine is an anticholinergic deleriant, not a dissociative.

Welcome to BL!
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A few weeks ago. I binged so badly that I hardly remember what the fuck happened. I was out of my mind, talking to plants and coats.

I've been thinking about quitting weed for a long time and having some incredibly strong psychedelic experiences on other drugs so that when I start smoking again, I won't have flashbacks about Diph/DXM, but whatever it is I'll be doing in the future. No more shitty OTC drugs for me, though. That's for goddamn sure.

Well, I know that diph is considered a deliriant first and foremost, but it can cause dissociation at higher doses. The dissociation you get on diph is extremely creepy.

Also, the combination of DXM + Diph makes you feel extra impaired and I am worried about this mistake having serious long-term effects.
 
I know your location says NYC but you sure your not from PA? A friend of mine has experienced this exact same thing i believe. Same combo and he was describing the same thing. In fact we witnessed him talking to a bush thinking it was one of his friends. Then he tried to get into these peoples car cuase he thought it was his friends car, but then the people came out of their house and began yelling at him for trying to steal their car. Shit's real fucked up
 
Roujaxian said:
I know your location says NYC but you sure your not from PA? A friend of mine has experienced this exact same thing i believe. Same combo and he was describing the same thing. In fact we witnessed him talking to a bush thinking it was one of his friends. Then he tried to get into these peoples car cuase he thought it was his friends car, but then the people came out of their house and began yelling at him for trying to steal their car. Shit's real fucked up
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No, I'm not. The lesson here is don't do diphenhydramine + DXM. I am more reserved about saying "fuck DXM" but diphenhydramine gets no love.

This thread is getting way off-topic now, heh.
 
dxm + diph is awful awful, I agree. diph totally destroys your brain.

I still do dex. my weed highs are stronger than my friends, but not as bad as yours. I really think it's more of a psychological thing. lay off dxm and weed for a few months, and i'll bet your weed highs will be pretty close to normal again. it worked that way for me. but i love dex and only smoke weed while on dex now.

weed is always a litte dissociating, anyway, imo.
 
I have no idea as I've never used DXM to get high or any other dissociative drugs like PCP or K.

I just had a friend in college that flat out LOVED dissociative drugs from high doses of DXM and he actually enjoyed PCP as I've heard most people don't like it in high doses, and he enjoyed higher doses of K too, anyway he also was a daily smoker, like multiple times daily, and he said how pot just mellowed him out and relaxed him and didn't really dissociate him like DXM, PCP, or K did.

Perhaps lay off the pot and everything else for awhile?
 
I thought being slightly dissociated was just part of a weed high?

Infact all my weed highs have a certain dissociation element, and I pretty much feel sort of dissociated most of my life (smoking or not).

if anyone knows a cure holla at me. I hate walking around in constant dream state.

Does anyone else experience this?
 
Rahcookiemonster said:
I thought being slightly dissociated was just part of a weed high?

Infact all my weed highs have a certain dissociation element, and I pretty much feel sort of dissociated most of my life (smoking or not).

if anyone knows a cure holla at me. I hate walking around in constant dream state.

Does anyone else experience this?
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YES! Completely, this is totally off topic but I dont care. I always feel like im in a dream state, always dissociated, in my own little world where everything thats real in my little world has its own reality, very hard to explain, seems more complex and messed up than it is! Then it's like when I smoke weed it boosts this up omega
 
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I would think that maybe something that hasnt been integrated in you dxm tip may be comming up with Weed i know that Weed has this capabillity to bing up old feelings and stuff.

I just would maybe stop using weed and then maybe just give you self a good time and it will pass.
 
imho youre just freaking out over nothing... its just this aspect of smoking weed that now becomes apparent to you.
and btw:
"orphenadrine and of its congener diphenhydramine, both uncompetitive NMDA receptor antagonists"
http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/089771503767168519
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someone is probably gonna shout that nmda-antagonism doesn't automatically classify a drug as a dissociat0r, :D but at medium dosages (around 200-250mg at 72kg with no tolerance) i defo feel slightly dissociated. call me crazy.

btw god bless old school antihistamines (whoever knows me knows im no otc kiddie ;) )
A: lets me sleep after a long episode of daily pot use.
B: makes me not wanna tear my skin off its body on a high dxm dose
C: makes one able to nod even at low opioid doses and relieves the itch (whether thats a good thing or not im not sure ;) )
D: has sure saved some lives by preventing anaphylactic shocks
E: helps some people with their neurodermitis (only a small portion of these patients who might have the wrong diagnosis, but anyway: gets rid of the evil-ass itch)
F: Enhances orgasms for some and has become the sex drug of choice for a few people.

anyway, whoever says a drug is useless or crap or whatever should step back and think about it. just cause someone doesnt enjoy a substance for recreational use doesnt mean the drug is useless.
tbh ive really only taken one drug that seemed like utter crap. it was some unknown pcp analogue (probably 3-oh-pcp). gave me severe clonus and had me lose control over my sceletal muscles to some degree, without any obvious psychological effect. (and it sure the hell wasnt real pcp, cause i fucking adore that shit!!!)

eh whatever, dont worry so much bout your cannabis induced dissociation... cannabis has a tendency to change its effects during long term use. ask some people whove smoked over ten years. many experience an inverted tolerance, some get severe anxiety, others just puke their guts out. maybe it just aint for you anymore. id say give it a break and next time you do it, do it when youre in a fine mood with everything going sou. yknow, loved ones around you, sunny weather, in private, stress free etc... its a wild drug that herb! handle with care ;)

peace
 
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i was referring to the point in time when you stop smoking the pot. most people find it difficult to sleep one or two days after theyve smoked their last doobie. this stretches for a week or more for some folks.

edit: i mustve been very sleepy when i wrote that. ofc what i meant was applying to long time smokers who will get heavy side effects after theyve been smoking for 5, 10, 20 years even. from what ive heard and experienced myself this usually happens once these people stop smoking on a regular/daily basis...
 
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I can relate to that; I used to do DXM once every 3-4 weeks (but not anymore) Cannabis was always more fucked up (and more dissociating) for a few weeks after (not to mention the day after, heh); similarly, salvia influenced later highs too. I don't care if there's no physiological explanation for that one, it's probably some kind of psychological conditioning.
 
stop ALL drug use for quite some time.

i know its nice being high and all that shit but cmon, you dont wanna ruin yourself forever.
sometimes when i smoke the herb now, i feel like im on acid, with the out of bodyness slightly askew.
this is because when i trip, i like to smoke ganja. it usually lasts for like a month or two after my dosing and tapers off if i dont smoke for a while.
 
For a couple months after my last DXM experience, I would go back into the trip somewhat after smoking pot. But the trip has turned back into the regular pot high, even though I smoke nearly every day. I never mixed both DXM and diph together, but I imagine your high should return back to normal, given enough time. But then again, I've heard that the effects of anticholinergics can last for years, if not forever...

I wonder if taking, say, Amanita muscaria could reverse the damage cause by anticholinergics? It's something I've been wondering about for a while now, since muscarine is a cholinergic compound... I've thought about taking it myself, hoping that my eyes will produce tears regularly again (@ @)

stonedandrolling89 said:
Also, diphenhydramine is an anticholinergic deleriant, not a dissociative.
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Have you ever taken a high dose of diphenhydramine? It can definitely dissociate you. Too bad it's not fun.
 
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