does anyone have real tips on how to get rich ???

[ControlDaddy]

I've got a sense you know more about this than I do, so I can't really argue there.

Speaking strictly financially - if we start at the same premise, a big corp being benign, hell, even filanthropic - they've got pretty good insurances,
I suppose?

I've only worked at big companies though, but each one has been fishy, to say the least.

My earlier response bothered me and it went beyond spoiling some fun we were having about being badass black hats and social engineering magicians. So in between difficult PMs with @acklac7, I have been pondering what is really going on.

In my work, I occasionally have to defend my employer from massive "cyberattacks". I've come to know what I know about the attackers from working for defense contractors, major legitimate pornography profiteers, and even with smaller web-based content providers.

The origin of these attacks are usually traceable to illicit cloud providers, funded I believe by large crime syndicates. Physically the clouds are somewhere in South America for the most part, I can trace most activity to sources in Argentina or Peru.

Bad actors rent space in these clouds to launch DDOS attacks, compute cryptocurrency primes, or launch offensives meant to infect end user systems to syphon off resources used to mine cryptocurrencies, for the most part.

I have no proof, but from digging into those resources (whitehats make better blackhats, I like to think) I have been astonished at what I have found. If I am right, the bad actors are major crime syndicates themselves, or rogue nations, terrorists, or even intelligence agencies from North Korea, Iran, or other "failed states". I suspect more is there I do not know, for instance my gut tells me any to all of it could be Chinese interests, masquerading as other foes.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Yeah from what I understand some of these states like Russia contract their cyber shenanigans out to actual criminals. At least when 'murika wants to mess with someone, we'll have one of our own government employees commit the criminal act, garshdarnit!

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

The biggest company I have drawn work from was an insurance company itself, and its assets insured to the gills, so yes they are. But from a macro perspective, helping ourselves and causing claims to be taken against those insurances, trickles down to make everyone's life generally less happy. Premiums go up for everyone, then retail prices have to eventually be raised to pay for those. Why would I do that to an entity that will pay me effectively $300 an hour over the table, pay most of my own personal insurance premiums, for doing work I enjoy doing anyways?

I know the thrill of pulling off a heist very well, it is similar to hitting a big payout gambling, or landing a ten-pounder on an automobile sale. The last two are legal so I prefer those thrills to the others, I'd go into that I think before I take on a real big payday through larceny. Maybe though, if I knew the end was drawing near, I might want to go out in one big cowboy fiasco.

Have you seen the movie Heat. That shit pretty real, plus it has Hank Rollins and the Iceman in it, and Bobby De Niro and Al Pacino together in the same scene, I think that only happened once now.

Good points, all over the map! And no, I'd never want to steal or private pockets. Never have, never will.

But wait and see, I make cowboy-fiasco to end all cowboy-fiascos. 20-years from now, my name will be associated with the proverbial "that guy"

HENRYFUCKIN'ROLLLINS! I will mos def make sure that watch that one, thanks for the suggestion!

My earlier response bothered me and it went beyond spoiling some fun we were having about being badass black hats and social engineering magicians. So in between difficult PMs with @acklac7, I have been pondering what is really going on.

In my work, I occasionally have to defend my employer from massive "cyberattacks". I've come to know what I know about the attackers from working for defense contractors, major legitimate pornography profiteers, and even with smaller web-based content providers.

The origin of these attacks are usually traceable to illicit cloud providers, funded I believe by large crime syndicates. Physically the clouds are somewhere in South America for the most part, I can trace most activity to sources in Argentina or Peru.

Bad actors rent space in these clouds to launch DDOS attacks, compute cryptocurrency primes, or launch offensives meant to infect end user systems to syphon off resources used to mine cryptocurrencies, for the most part.

I have no proof, but from digging into those resources (whitehats make better blackhats, I like to think) I have been astonished at what I have found. If I am right, the bad actors are major crime syndicates themselves, or rogue nations, terrorists, or even intelligence agencies from North Korea, Iran, or other "failed states". I suspect more is there I do not know, for instance my gut tells me any to all of it could be Chinese interests, masquerading as other foes.

Oh, god no, it shouldn't have! I was just out picking up some food, so I didn't see it until now.

Shiiiiet, that is some interesting stuff indeed. And really fucking cool you can trace shit like that!

South America - Peru. My mind automatically goes to cartels, but maybe I'm prejudice.

My friend works as a whitehat (that is, penetrationstesting and such, right?), so maybe greyhat is more accurate, seeing as he has never done "true" blackhat stuff. With my flexible morals and juvenile hatred towards big coprs and the likes, I'd go blackhat directly, hah.
But I for sure believe what you say, that white hats makes the best blackhats.

This is interesting stuff indeed. Not very surprising, but kind of creepy, should this be the case. But I def think you're on to something here.

I don't think I'll be doing any heists, big or small, in the nearby future. Or the far off, haha.

Look at you @ControlDaddy - full of surprises! :D(y)

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ok, listen to me cause I'm gonna say it only once. It seems that we are talking about getting pretty rich pretty quickly. I don't want to give you some lame advice neither will I instruct you to brake legal laws. So here would it be in a nutshell:

Firstly you will want to become really motivated really quickly. The best legal way that I see feasible is following:

1.) Inflict yourself with some major brain trauma. Spine trauma is also ok route to travel but brain is more rewarding. (I will let you to decide how you will do it but several brain areas should be affected. Maybe you jump from a 3rd floor and than make sure to have some trusted people waiting you down. Those helpers can beat you with the bat and when you are all messed up they can put you in the car and push you off the cliff. If you are suicidal this is not a plan for you. Or maybe it is a too good of a plan if you consider that life is not worth living).

2.) When your brain is severely messed up you are ready for phase 2 off getting rich. Now you will have to find a way to heal your injuries (I didn't say my plan was brilliant or that is easy...). This part is crucial due to payoffs in phase 3.

3.) Now that you have successfully smashed your brain and figured out the way to make it perfectly healthy again you will not have further trouble in becoming very rich. Treatment for heavy brain injury is in itself very hard to find but you would also probably make major brakethrougs in healing degenerative brain diseases.

Voila, the perfect plan. If it works out. You would become rich by giving humanity great benefits. You know how they say that "shaman is a sick person that has healed himself". The same principle applies here.

Don't mention it. I also do it for the good of humanity.

 

[JessFR]

Become a beggar?
It may not be legal where you are, but it was where I was and a smart beggar can make a small fortune.

Me and my BF at the time maintained a $500-$700 a day heroin habit mostly through begging. We also did other shit but that was our primary method of supporting our habits.

Be aware though that this is not an easy job, especially if you have a shred of self respect.
Also this is a secret, don't get greedy and wreck it for the rest of us.

 

[Zephyn]

Hacking - that's another thing.
I love social engineering, would love to try it at a at a big Corpo; fish enough info by targetting and employee to crack down walls and passwords,
an crash the servers, steal what you need, sitting in a car outside, pawn-shop laptop, and simply walk away.

Now, I'm not a hacker - but my buddies a blackhat. He hack hardware, I hack people.

You in @ControlDaddy ??

its safer to s/e your way into job positions

 

[ControlDaddy]

its safer to s/e your way into job positions

About that devops fortune we are letting slip through our fingers, I thought about it more and I accept. I will be the face of the operation, do the consulting and schmoozing and birddogging type stuff with clients, you will be behind the curtain, coding like a boss. Send me a PM with a codename for our first project.

 

[Zephyn]

Become a beggar?
It may not be legal where you are, but it was where I was and a smart beggar can make a small fortune.

Me and my BF at the time maintained a $500-$700 a day heroin habit mostly through begging. We also did other shit but that was our primary method of supporting our habits.

Be aware though that this is not an easy job, especially if you have a shred of self respect.
Also this is a secret, don't get greedy and wreck it for the rest of us.

its easier when you have a woman with you. i've had to "fly a sign" before, and with women with me would net hundreds of dollars, but by myself could barely afford a hotel. we were also young, i imagine as you get older people have less and less sympathy, unfortunately, even though thats probably when people need it most.

 

[Zephyn]

About that devops fortune we are letting slip through our fingers, I thought about it more and I accept. I will be the face of the operation, do the consulting and schmoozing and birddogging type stuff with clients, you will be behind the curtain, coding like a boss. Send me a PM with a codename for our first project.

seriously though. im having some trouble right now due to warrants and criminal charges but get jobs really easily. (took me 2 weeks from starting to look to have two offers) I have two offers both pending background clearance that are both between 115-130k, and thats on the LOW end and because i have no degree. when im making $60 an hour, ive done billing for my clients to my firm and they are making like $200 an hour for my work. very often, devops consulting firms that are under 5 years take on multi million dollar contracts that are handled by teams under 30 people. especially taking low hanging fruit federal contracts. US LLC's can also hire foreign workers with no work authorization or visas so long as its remote. its seriously a large gold mine.

one of these offers even sent me a laptop already and i was supposed to start tomorrow. trying to bs my way thru about my misdemeanor DUI warrants in a state that doesnt extradite, which never showed up before but suddenly started to even though the warrants from 2018.

this sucks as i was feeling a lot more positive about being able to support myself, buy a new car, had a good ketamine experience the other day that im still less depressed from, but fuck, ill never be able to afford ketamine if im unemployable because of these warrants. and i am NOT turning myself in and sitting in jail for a year, especially when i have another DUI case that might get dropped in june.

 

[ControlDaddy]

seriously though. im having some trouble right now due to warrants and criminal charges but get jobs really easily. I have two offers both pending background clearance that are both between 115-130k, and thats on the LOW end and because i have no degree. when im making $60 an hour, ive done billing for my clients to my firm and they are making like $200 an hour for my work. very often, devops consulting firms that are under 5 years take on multi million dollar contracts that are handled by teams under 30 people. especially taking low hanging fruit federal contracts. US LLC's can also hire foreign workers with no work authorization or visas so long as its remote. its seriously a large gold mine.

one of these offers even sent me a laptop already and i was supposed to start tomorrow. trying to bs my way thru about my misdemeanor DUI warrants in a state that doesnt extradite, which never showed up before but suddenly started to even though the warrants from 2018.

this sucks as i was feeling a lot more positive about being able to support myself, buy a new car, had a good ketamine experience the other day that im still less depressed from, but fuck, ill never be able to afford ketamine if im unemployable because of these warrants. and i am NOT turning myself in and sitting in jail for a year, especially when i have another DUI case that might get dropped in june.

Well perfect, I have a DUI about five years old but nothing else, I have passed background checks with defense contractors as late as 2018, and can be the one to do all that frontman stuff. You just do most of the hard work, and we'll find an equitable way to split up the contracts.

I am about to get a bunch of certifications from AWS over the rest of this month and April. Those will make selling our fledgling asses even more palatable! Clients gobble those things up from what I have learned.

 

[Zephyn]

Well perfect, I have a DUI about five years old but nothing else, I have passed background checks with defense contractors as late as 2018, and can be the one to do all that frontman stuff. You just do most of the hard work, and we'll find an equitable way to split up the contracts.

I am about to get a bunch of certifications from AWS over the rest of this month and April. Those will make selling our fledgling asses even more palatable! Clients gobble those things up from what I have learned.

the problem is when the dui happened i ditched the country on faulty advice from my lawyer that if i came and turned myself in i could get 6 days in jail at the most, turns out it can be a year, and i can be denied bail since i have a FTA. i've got certified solutions architect and certified developer from AWS.

edit: the warrants didnt start showing up until 2021 (one for DUI FTA one for land change FTA). :-/

 

[ControlDaddy]

the problem is when the dui happened i ditched the country on faulty advice from my lawyer that if i came and turned myself in i could get 6 days in jail at the most, turns out it can be a year, and i can be denied bail since i have a FTA. i've got certified solutions architect and certified developer from AWS

Awesome. We will have four certs starting out. I am getting the certified solutions architect as well, and the DevOps Professional one, I think it is called.

 

[Zephyn]

Awesome. We will have four certs starting out. I am getting the certified solutions architect as well, and the DevOps Professional one, I think it is called.

I was working on getting my LLC the licenses to be a PLLC, but its not really necessary from what I've seen to get off the ground. The one thing I am missing is marketing. I could do management no problem, have experience with agile methodology, could help a business integrate those practices, could do the foot work, pretty much everything but the marketing to new clients.

 

[Jabberwocky]

save $5 every week and by the time you're old you'll be rich or something

 

[ControlDaddy]

I was working on getting my LLC the licenses to be a PLLC, but its not really necessary from what I've seen to get off the ground. The one thing I am missing is marketing. I could do management no problem, have experience with agile methodology, could help a business integrate those practices, could do the foot work, pretty much everything but the marketing to new clients.

I am no marketing genius but I can sell anything from art to cars to insurance to submachine guns, I figure I can sell about anything when I have my wits about me. Trouble is sales tickles my tits, a bit like a gambling high. So I gotta have a partner to reign me in, or I will sell my soul for a box of chiclets.

Speaking of insurance, that is something we need to be considering. Most places expect us to carry certain policies, I forget which ones. I will have to dig through my business email accounts <shiver>

 

[Zephyn]

I suppose, I don't think there is too much liability involved - nor much overhead. Its not the sales for me its locating the clients (which it seems like there are a ton, but willing to go with a new company with no history? the federal government will no problem but id prefer not to work for them and would like to use outsourced engineers which you cant for most of the fed contracts). also a devops sales pitch would require someone in the particular field, not just any sales guy - seems like you might be a good fit.

 

[ControlDaddy]

I suppose, I don't think there is too much liability involved - nor much overhead. Its not the sales for me its locating the clients (which it seems like there are a ton, but willing to go with a new company with no history? the federal government will no problem but id prefer not to work for them and would like to use outsourced engineers which you cant for most of the fed contracts). also a devops sales pitch would require someone in the particular field, not just any sales guy - seems like you might be a good fit.

Yep. I've been the lead guy since before DevOps was the word for it. I built some infrastructure for a companies node microservices to run on about seven years ago. Nothing fancy, about a dozen EC2s, a MongoDB cluster, all done up nice in python and shell scripting and wrapped by CloudFormation. It could handle blue/green deployments, and I could spawn infinite number of production like staging environments literally at the push of a button (later made the button available to the dev team via rundeck, it was the first self-service infrastructure I had ever seen then). The production instance went up once, and NEVER FELL OVER, not even once. It is still running today. A marvel, really, as is the code the devs wrote for those microservices, I will always be proud of that project.

So yeah, I can talk the talk and back it up with hands on experience.

 

[Zephyn]

same, same. even before AWS and vm's took over, i used to script out automation in perl of all things for freebsd jails and deployment/configuration of different OSS for a small webhosting company i ran. Infrastructure as code was the obvious next progression. but this was like 15 years ago. i just dont know how to/care to go door to door pitching devops. letting clients comes to us with a good site and shit makes it easier, but yeah...

 

[bingey]

^
Are you a new incarnation of zephyr?

Ontopic : buy ether lots of it and no not the stuff you put on a rag

 

[Zephyn]

i am not, i actually noticed her nick after i made this one, and after also going by her nick as well for a bit. just a synchronicity