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Do your think this board is perceived as glamorizing the Abuse of psychedelics?

^ some people have vast tolerances built up on NMDA antagonists.

truesay

but when i hear a lot of crap from one source it makes me discount a lot of other things they say even if there is a reasonable possibility they might be true.

i guess i'm only human and assumptive nature comes naturally as my brain is lazy and likes categories:)

also high dose MXE has already claimed one set of kidneys on this board so far. its not benign, just like ketamine.
 
I really think this board serves a very good purpose to those willing enough to take the time to read both here and Erowid first. Look I am an old school cat, but after reading about 25I Nbome I was very interested, and then when I finally got my sample, I backed off. I was gonna start with 1mg, and then I backed off and thought well maybe it is better to for for 500 ug and see if it trully is threashold level.


it was but boy did it help me prepare mentally for what 1mg was 2 weeks later. the difference was so vast, I mean 500 ug felt like a very week lsd dose with some mild euphoria and a pleasent body high,

1mg is like a solid 2 to 3 hits of good oldschool LSD, where the ramp to peak really hits you hard and comes on faster... plus there is the heavy vibe body high it was great but I thank guys like Sepher and Transform for the early education.


otherwise I could have would up like some people who dip a finger into a bag and wind up in hell.
 
I'm glad the board, or better yet using it for research on a compound you were going to take, was helpful to you. It seems like a difference of day and night whether someone just goes and eyeballs a drug they know virtually nothing about or do their homework to take the necessary precautions. That has mostly to do with someone's personality and little to the information available here. There are bound to be people who just have too little patience (and common sense?) to research enough or who are too ignorant and arrogant not to disregard the warnings of others.

However, I think that is an important topic but a different one than discussed here.
And secondly, benefits of this forum such as you describe - weadazoid - however commendable, do not justify irresponsible online behavior.

Glamorization is something I have seen around here but I am pleased that it has been limited. One thing is that new compounds can get a lot of positive attention sometimes where much is expected and people are encouraged to be among the first to pioneer exploration of these compounds. Even if that is well-meant, and even though I personally sometimes cannot wait to hear early reports on certain compounds... we ought to remind each other that we are taking a leap in the dark. The enthousiasm as if receiving a christmas present should not make us impulsive and the potential dangers should receive the attention they are due.

But, there are logical explanations for such developments.

Wild and elaborate combinations can also get a lot of praise, for understandable reasons. But sometimes the downsides get neglected or disregarded and reports on it can be a signal to others of a norm: that this is okay to attempt.

Things like this and other irresponsible behavior, are IMO an unavoidable part of a forum like this and we should not expect this to stop... but it should be regulated internally, and I am happy to say I think people tend to be corrected when overenthousiasm escalates. Sometimes there is lag or delay because it is a trend that first needs to be spotted.

To return to the matter of NBOMe's in short: we discuss the subject openly here but not without restrictions. Some people who should never get involved with such compounds, read about it here and handle it completely wrong. A number of people blame sites like Bluelight for that. By a form of advertisement we at least catalyze this, if only because of bigger exposure of knowledge, they would say. You can imagine where libertarianists think responsibility lies.
I think in all honesty we do increase exposure of knowledge (so does Erowid), it increases the number of people to take these compounds, it increases the number of lives we help saving, and it also increases the number of accidents. It is not like a conscious decision to sacrifice some people... this is just something that happens as part of a larger process.
The cat is out of the bag. Repression by censorship does not work. I even have doubts that in early stages of such a compound escaping the lab, that would have worked... but by now it would do more harm than good. It just seems much to late to try such a remedy and we should now invest in harm reduction for reality, not the what-ifs of fantasy. People who would rather see these compounds vanish from history protest from a dreamworld IMO.

Our open discussion here of such compounds could in itself be considered 'advertisement' or glamorization, following the logic that glamorization is making something appear exceedingly okay, normal or interesting when that is unrealistic. I think that is a misunderstanding because we don't consider NBOMe's normal or safe only because we discuss them. It may appear that way to people who are biased and/or don't actually read the forum. That is a mistake and an overreaction.
 
Repression by censorship does not work.

As a recent poster, though a long time lurker, I like the attitude of exposing knowledge to people. Being a curious cat myself, I'd probably have ended up in more trouble a few times should I've been left to my own devices on determining certain things with dosage and so on.

That being said, I also think that there is a certain degree of responsibility on the reader, no matter what's the source. You shouldn't take everything printed in high school textbooks literally either, so why whould BL be responsible of some dolt taking everything posted here literally?
 
Nice post, Solipsis.

I don't think something fantastic like the NBOMe's would have been more uncommon without Bluelight. Sure, a lot of people read about them here first, me included, but without Bluelight they'd just get their info elsewere. For example people would be reading about them on source/vendors forums first instead, which the internet has seen a growing number of lately.

in the day and age of the internet, things like this just can't be kept secret.

The RC cat is out of the bag, as it were. And has been for a long time too. The first 2CT7 deaths were in 90's, I believe.

So who to blame the NBOMe deaths, Blueligt? the chinese labs? the trip hungry youth of today? The online vendors? Ralph Heim? Alexander Shulgin? the guy who invented the internet maybe? or maybe blame the government for not censoring the internet?

I say blame faith. Bad luck. Somebody had to draw the shortest straw. Thats how life works. It might sound callous, but it's the truth.

When you introduce a foreign chemical into your body, that doesn't belong there, you take a risk. Be it an RC, a street drug or mushrooms you grew yourself. Bluelight is at least trying to minimize that risk with HR.

On the matter of glamorization, I think drugs have always been glamorized. Think rockstars, Jimmi hendrix, Jim Morrison, Lou reed etc etc. Eminem, Candy Brooke what ever. The list goes on for ever!...Ken Kesey and the merry pranksters glamorized drugs too. it just comes with the territory of a large drug forum. Some people just likes to get their e-peen polished on the intarwebz. Or think movies/books that glamorize drug use, fear and loathing in las vegas, naked lunch so on ad infinitum

But generally, I think Bluelight has a lot of helpfull people that are quite quick to point out the dangerous or reckless.
 
It's all these damn RC's. I know they're classified as Psychs, but I think there should definitely be a separate place for mushrooms, LSD, Mescaline, DMT, etc.

Cause right now it seems like just a clusterfuck of "My buddy just ate 10grams of 5-16-TU-WTF-XYX^72, I was okay but he's shitting uncontrollably and unconscious what do i do"
 
I'm glad the board, or better yet using it for research on a compound you were going to take, was helpful to you. It seems like a difference of day and night whether someone just goes and eyeballs a drug they know virtually nothing about or do their homework to take the necessary precautions. That has mostly to do with someone's personality and little to the information available here. There are bound to be people who just have too little patience (and common sense?) to research enough or who are too ignorant and arrogant not to disregard the warnings of others.

However, I think that is an important topic but a different one than discussed here.
And secondly, benefits of this forum such as you describe - weadazoid - however commendable, do not justify irresponsible online behavior.

Glamorization is something I have seen around here but I am pleased that it has been limited. One thing is that new compounds can get a lot of positive attention sometimes where much is expected and people are encouraged to be among the first to pioneer exploration of these compounds. Even if that is well-meant, and even though I personally sometimes cannot wait to hear early reports on certain compounds... we ought to remind each other that we are taking a leap in the dark. The enthousiasm as if receiving a christmas present should not make us impulsive and the potential dangers should receive the attention they are due.

But, there are logical explanations for such developments.

Wild and elaborate combinations can also get a lot of praise, for understandable reasons. But sometimes the downsides get neglected or disregarded and reports on it can be a signal to others of a norm: that this is okay to attempt.

Things like this and other irresponsible behavior, are IMO an unavoidable part of a forum like this and we should not expect this to stop... but it should be regulated internally, and I am happy to say I think people tend to be corrected when overenthousiasm escalates. Sometimes there is lag or delay because it is a trend that first needs to be spotted.

To return to the matter of NBOMe's in short: we discuss the subject openly here but not without restrictions. Some people who should never get involved with such compounds, read about it here and handle it completely wrong. A number of people blame sites like Bluelight for that. By a form of advertisement we at least catalyze this, if only because of bigger exposure of knowledge, they would say. You can imagine where libertarianists think responsibility lies.
I think in all honesty we do increase exposure of knowledge (so does Erowid), it increases the number of people to take these compounds, it increases the number of lives we help saving, and it also increases the number of accidents. It is not like a conscious decision to sacrifice some people... this is just something that happens as part of a larger process.
The cat is out of the bag. Repression by censorship does not work. I even have doubts that in early stages of such a compound escaping the lab, that would have worked... but by now it would do more harm than good. It just seems much to late to try such a remedy and we should now invest in harm reduction for reality, not the what-ifs of fantasy. People who would rather see these compounds vanish from history protest from a dreamworld IMO.

Our open discussion here of such compounds could in itself be considered 'advertisement' or glamorization, following the logic that glamorization is making something appear exceedingly okay, normal or interesting when that is unrealistic. I think that is a misunderstanding because we don't consider NBOMe's normal or safe only because we discuss them. It may appear that way to people who are biased and/or don't actually read the forum. That is a mistake and an overreaction.

Can this post be Best of Bluelight? I feel like Solipsis touched upon the core values and mission of Bluelight in a rather eloquent way.
 
truesay

but when i hear a lot of crap from one source it makes me discount a lot of other things they say even if there is a reasonable possibility they might be true.

i guess i'm only human and assumptive nature comes naturally as my brain is lazy and likes categories:)

also high dose MXE has already claimed one set of kidneys on this board so far. its not benign, just like ketamine.

It could also be that their MXE was cut, so that they say they are doing 300mg, might only be 100-150mg tops if it's cut. Vendors can cut drugs too sadly.

You are correct that MXE carries more risks than ketamine alone.
 
To be fair it can be very difficult actually liking a drug and not coming across as some sort of shill or you sounding like you glamourise it.

I think that if people can be bothered to search out info re:bluelight as apposed to just stuffing a powder in their face they should be applauded.

There maybe a few who try to use this board to slyly promote their product but they are quite obvious. People have to remember they alone are responsible for their own level of informity and if you don't take proper precautions you may have trouble, irrespective of what some online forums say.
 
Would a better question be. Has this forum done more good then harm?

Can you elaborate that one-liner?

Oh, I get it, you'd rather have people get their info from vendor/source forums, instead of harm reduction forums. Or maybe you're just a firm believer of government censorship of the internet?

Or maybe you think drugs should be made illegal because they are harmfull? Oh, wait, they are!
 
I don't find the tales of gross abuse and gut wrenching combinations and overdoses "glamorizing" in any way. If what some here do to themselves were done from a doctor upon a patient it would be considered concentration camp style unethical research. You get safety data on drugs and combinations here that no science paper can provide you. People who keep on upping the ante until something gives healthwise.

Its with anxiety, sadness and sometimes a prayer that I read the misadventures of some of our bolder members, or not so bold ones ending up in pretty dire condition at the toxicological frontline of RC research. If Bluelight were a nightclub the local hospital would preventively park an ambulance in front.

Is it glamorizing? Some people find the depraved abuse of Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas an ideal to strive for so for them, possibly yes. I do see the mods and the more responsible members (often older than the gung ho members) take every attempt at harm reduction. Sometimes even to the point of censorship which I think is taking it too far.

The responsible majority and the mods will consider you a tard if you enter destructive dosage bidding wars with other members and will attempt to avoid the drama. If people make a mess attempts are made to help them pick up the pieces and learn from it.

I dont think Bluelight glamorizes drug abuse but I do see that it allows an open mike to members who, often driven by a youthful sense of immortality, are onm a way to self destruction. I think its very important that Bluelight remains a place where all of us, even the selfdestructive, can speak their mind.

If I could change one thing about Bluelight, I would make people respond more empathically and adequately to potential disasters in the making, but more censorship definitely is not the answer.

Bluelight is at the frontline of the Drug War. At the front line, all the messy stuff goes down. If BL was some kind of aloof salon for elitist drug snob chat where every real topic was taboo, almost none of us would be here.
 
No not really. Not anymore than any other drug board. Im on 300 mgs of MXE right now and I can tell you for a fact I am not abusing it. It is an important tool and medicine for society. I plan on taking some 2mgs 25C in a few hours. Wish me luck :)

2mg 25C? Jesus Christ that's a heavy dose.
 
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