Do you Believe the Media is Biased?

[CreativeRandom]

Honestly, I do not know too much about this language game. I am aware that the Republicans are currently dominating it. One reason why my AP English score is pretty low.

but he does say the absolutely stupidest things: "Democrats do not support an open exchange of ideas.

Generally. Maybe even a minority of them. But extremists in general who breed hate, such as rascists and nazis, are the same.

One examle is a radio ban recently lifted, excuse me for lack of details. It said that for every opinion given on the radio, the "other side" must be presented and explained completely. This is why there has been such a surge of Conservative-Opinionated talk shows, from Hannity to Ingrahm. Interesting to note, that the top two liberal shows in the D.C. area take up the last two slots on the radio rankings. It is similiar around the U.S.

In all of the arguments I have heard, democrats rarely use numbers and base decisions on moral opinions, which republicans often do as well. In general, moral opinions also strike more to the heart, but do not usually change opinion as much as numbers will. I have heard some democrats use numbers, but often come to wrong conclusions with those numbers.

none of your sweeping condemnations of Democrats and "liberal media" are supported by empirical data or even a link, and yet you go on to make those inflammatory statements.

The Fox news network is one of the newest news channels. Certain democratic areas such as New York tried to refuse Fox News from being allowed. Today, I believe, though I am not certain, that it is the top news network in America. I'm pretty sure of that.

There are many less conservative channels as well. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, PBS, and every large scale Newspaper besides Washington Times that I know of is liberal. There are many other channels as well, but I very rarely get my news from the TV. Honestly, I've never watched Fox News Channel.

I'm sure there are plenty of conservative message boards where you'll feel more at home to express your views among the herd.

Why would I post on a conservative board? Besides, I like Bluelight for the quality of its forums, usually has diverse opinions, wide range of personal experiences among posters, and high rate of scientifically literate people.

wow, it amazes me to see how little conservatives truly know about liberalism. You really dont get it

I know quite a bit about liberalism and their opinions. Honestly, I don't understand it. Not one fucking bit of it. But this is irrelevant. Who the fuck researches anything by saying "Liberal XXX" or "Conservative XXX". To me, it has been about researching articles, numbers, policies, political records, and reaching my own conclusions. By pure coincidence, it happens to be that most of my conclusions are the same that are labeled as "conservative".

My comments are educated, you will find it hard to find a point by me that is uneducated, however much you disagree with it.

Saving this for last...

I dont think conservatives did anything at all, i just thing liberals have become insulted/embarrased by being a liberal! Which only shows your weakness (as a whole) all the more. lol Funny.

Honestly, a little extreme and too personal for any merit. While labels serve a purpose, they should not have bearing on anyone personally.

You could try all you want to make the word conservative a bad word, but it would never catch on because conservatives are proud to be who we are because we really believe we are right

Who? What liberals anywhere have tried to make conservative a bad word? I haven't even heard of Jesse Jackson or Durbin do this... yet.

If you all are so lost in your ideologies/beliefs that conservatives can defeat you by playing a word game, then what does that say about what you all believe and stand for to the rest of the people looking at you from the outside

It means democrats don't have their political shit together, and Kerry with his flip-flopping made it worse. He was hardcore liberal until he entered the presidential race. Howard Dean is making good points on the issue, however nutty I think he is on others. I believe the Democrats will definately have their "language game" and political shit down by 2008.

You are a perfect example of a wimpy liberal who will never influence a single conservative as long as you live. No offense by that, i am sure you are a wonderful person.

Here is an example of a conservative who is defeating the basis of my opinions on this forum. I have told you all on how I really on numbers, facts, and policies of the past to base my conclusions and arguments on. Here is a conservative who is using pure emotion and heat of the moment to make his argument; A point I have often only accredited to the liberals.

Come on man, what the fuck are you doing? You've made some great points, but right here your the liberal monster in a different form.

 

[Tanuki_23]

^^ditto. Everyone has an agenda, and everyone pursues that agenda whether they know it or not. No1 is completley objective.

 

[Commanding General]

Saving this for last...



Honestly, a little extreme and too personal for any merit. While labels serve a purpose, they should not have bearing on anyone personally.

I never mentioned anyone personally. I was speaking of the democrats/liberals as a whole.

Who? What liberals anywhere have tried to make conservative a bad word? I haven't even heard of Jesse Jackson or Durbin do this... yet.

I didnt say they did. I was responding to the point raised by ANOTHER poster about conservatives changing the meaning of liberal to be somethinng bad. I guess you didnt read the exchange of posts, or you would have known that.

It means democrats don't have their political shit together, and Kerry with his flip-flopping made it worse. He was hardcore liberal until he entered the presidential race. Howard Dean is making good points on the issue, however nutty I think he is on others. I believe the Democrats will definately have their "language game" and political shit down by 2008.

again, if what it comes down to is liberals needing to get their "language game" together, then i think they have a lot bigger issues than that to fix! Thats what i was saying.

Here is an example of a conservative who is defeating the basis of my opinions on this forum. I have told you all on how I really on numbers, facts, and policies of the past to base my conclusions and arguments on. Here is a conservative who is using pure emotion and heat of the moment to make his argument; A point I have often only accredited to the liberals.

Come on man, what the fuck are you doing? You've made some great points, but right here your the liberal monster in a different form.

I have no clue what you are talking about, man. I wasnt even talking to you for one, and also, what in the hell am i supposed to know about how you "really on numbers"?

I clearly said i didnt mean offense by my comment to someone other than yourself. I was pointing out how liberals can come off as wimpy to conservatives by saying things like: "Concervatives are winning the language game". That just sounds lame. And a conservative will never be influenced by that kind of talk, so maybe the poster was right - they dont have their language game working very well, because complaining about a language game will only make the party you represent look worse. It wasnt a personal comment, and wasnt an attack on the poster.

 

[glowbug]

The Fox news network is one of the newest news channels. Certain democratic areas such as New York tried to refuse Fox News from being allowed.

Absolute and utter bullshit, but go ahead and continue believing that rubbish if you wish, since it does serve the purpose of reinforcing your self-confirming view of liberals. And of course you provided no link to support your assertion...AGAIN.

The FCC regulates network broadcasting, not the states (via a little federalism principle known as preemption, remember?). The only recent issue even approaching what could be considered network "censorship" arose out of the 2003 revisiting of the issue of whether networks could own more than one channel per major market. The FCC board ruled that networks would henceforth be allowed to own more than one station per market when the rule formerly prohibited ownership of more than one. It just so happens that most of the relevant major markets that would support more than one network station per market (NYC, LA) happen to be in left-leaning blue states, so golly gee, it's no major mystery where that HUGE Limbaugh-leap of illogic originated.

The funny thing is, the rule was emplaced to protect against domination of the market by any ONE major network, so essentially the rule PROTECTED the public from censorship via a corporate monopoly on media in any particular market. Monopoly control means MORE control of what information is disseminated to the public, not less.

Strangely enough (and shockingly inconsistently when viewed through your "liberals are anti-freedom and irrational" worldview), it was the DEMOCRATIC FCC members attempting to protect First Amendment rights by opposing the rule change, while the Republican members advocated the anti-competitive and quasi-pro-censorship stance of allowing market domination. Read about it here:

"The government adopted the ownership rules between 1941 and 1975 to encourage competition and prevent monopoly control of the media."

"Critics say the eased restrictions would likely lead to a wave of mergers landing a few giant media companies in control of even more of what the public sees, hears and reads."

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=320304

Funny how your views of those who disagree with you never weaken when all you do is unquestioningly accept all the self-reinforcing bullshit you're spoonfed about the opposing viewpoint, isn't it?

Why would I post on a conservative board? Besides, I like Bluelight for the quality of its forums, usually has diverse opinions, wide range of personal experiences among posters, and high rate of scientifically literate people.

Then henceforth STFU with any further "CEP liberal bias" whining. No one is forcing you to stay here, so quit being a little bitch about it. So BL CEP has a left slant. What a shock. Deal with it.

My comments are educated, you will find it hard to find a point by me that is uneducated, however much you disagree with it.

See above re: FCC media market regulation. So far I'm batting 1.000.

 

[alasdairm]

Generally. Maybe even a minority of them.

I was speaking of the democrats/liberals as a whole.

does not compute.



alasdair

 

[elemenohpee]

Iagain, if what it comes down to is liberals needing to get their "language game" together, then i think they have a lot bigger issues than that to fix! Thats what i was saying..

Since when is language such a trivial issue? Language is the only way we have of communicating our ideas with others, if we've got a problem with language I'd say that's a pretty big problem.

 

[Commanding General]

^What? Can you at least quote the entire quotes, please? Anyone can pull 17 words from someone posts to make something "not compute".

And i was speaking of liberal/democarats as a whole, and then i made a personal comment to the poster at the very end of my statement because i was using him as an example of why liberals really are losing the language game. Then i qualified that statement by saying he is probably a wonderful person, just a good example of how liberals can sound like wimps to conservatives.

You people really need to learn how to read. The army is looking for a few good men who cant read, you may want to call them up and see what they have for you.

 

[Commanding General]

Since when is language such a trivial issue? Language is the only way we have of communicating our ideas with others, if we've got a problem with language I'd say that's a pretty big fucking problem.

But, if that is THE reason for losing the political war, then i say, they/you have much bigger issues to resolve.

 

[elemenohpee]

Maybe you didn't understand what I meant. Language and how effectively we communicate our ideas underlies EVERYTHING. So if we have a problem with it, its going to fuck everything else up. Try and think of a "bigger issue" that wouldn;t be messed up by us having a "language problem" and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Commanding General]

But the whole point was that the language problem faced is one of lack of deception and lies. In other words: the liberals are so moral and so good that they dont (or havent yet, which the OP was saying they should start) resort to the decptive language war that the conservatives happen to be soooo good at.

I say that is nothing more than wimpy liberal talk (which i guess does go to prove that there is a language problem, but i dont have a problem with the language used, i have a problem with the idea presented). If liberals had a stong movement of like minded people all working together because they happen to believe the same things, they would be just as effective as conservatives. Instead, the liberals are made up of all these free thinkers who flip flop on what they think more than Kerry on a bad day. They complain about what conservatives do, but never offer up an alternative. In their efforts to give freedom to all, they limit freedoms of most. I could go on. But those are the problems with the liberal movement, not some pretend language game.

It has to do with the ideas being presented.

 

[alasdairm]

You people...

that sounds real familiar...



alasdair

 

[Commanding General]

^You are one weird mutha. WTF are you talking about? Speak English soldier!

Are you going to actually respond to anything i said? Or just keep posting nonsensical things that have nothing to do with nothing? Soliders like you wouldnt last a day in my troop.

 

[alasdairm]

i'm not a soldier.

alasdair

 

[Commanding General]

Trust me, i can tell.

 

[elemenohpee]

Not the portion of lies, corruption and deception, but the portion that transforms liberal ideas into language that can be easily grasped by the masses. Conservatives play the language game very well, they seem to have managed to turn the word liberal into an idea of a a bad thing, which is why I prefer to use to word "progressive." This doesnt change our ideas, its just playing the language game.

I don't think the language game he was referring to is using deceptive language to trick people into accepting ideas. Using language that more effectively appeals to the masses is the game we need to play. The way that you percieve the ideas being presented is affected by the language used.

 

[CreativeRandom]

I never mentioned anyone personally. I was speaking of the democrats/liberals as a whole.

I know. Still Extreme.

I didnt say they did. I was responding to the point raised by ANOTHER poster about conservatives changing the meaning of liberal to be somethinng bad. I guess you didnt read the exchange of posts, or you would have known that.

Who exactly? It is possible I have not exactly followed the exchange of posts, but I try. I try very hard. One reason I can't reply in every thread every day.

again, if what it comes down to is liberals needing to get their "language game" together, then i think they have a lot bigger issues than that to fix! Thats what i was saying.

I think the Democrats are either dead wrong or acting Republican on every issue they address. So no matter what, your never going to hear me say "Well Democrats have their shit together on this issue". However, I am one person and there are millions of Americans who still think otherwise of the Democrat Party. Many people are swing voters, many people vote otherwise because the current candidate (cough Bush cough) does not accurately represent their own party. Democrats can win the 2008 election if they play the language game.

Honestly, was Bush the best representation of the Republican Party in 2004? Maybe so in 2000, but definately not in 2004. The bigest factor for his appeal was his game. He knew how to appeal to Democrats, through legislation such as No Child Left Behind and a 1.6% increase from Clinton's highest in Poverty Entitlements, something Republicans would never agree on. He knew how to appeal to even hardline Republicans by recommending an amendment outlawing gay marriage. Which is against his personal opinion and the Republican Party's true intent.

His personal opinion (at least in 2000) and the Republican Party's true intent is recognition of the 10th amendment, and let the people of each state vote on the issue; that the federal government should have no role in the issue.

was pointing out how liberals can come off as wimpy to conservatives by saying things like: "Concervatives are winning the language game".

But it is true. Republicans are a majority, but we are not that strong a majority. Nor are all Republicans going to vote Republican, there have been times that the Democratic Candidate better represented the Republican Party than the Republican Candidate; such was the case in the 1960 election of Nixon vs Kennedy.

And of course you provided no link to support your assertion...AGAIN.

Glad you asked.

Canada has banned Fox News, but recently lifted this ban. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2004/pb2004-88.htm?Print=True

Fox and conservative opinions in the form of books and radio shows are booming and much more appraised with the dollar than their liberal counterparts.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/802270/posts

Fox News is number one, despite being new to the media market and starting out with an extremely small base.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News

The Fairness Doctrine made it so radio stations must talk about both sides of an issue. Just search, it is easy to find info about this one.

There have been many censorships of media, especially the radio. Here are links and brief summaries of many different regulations on media. Most have nothing to do with trying to sway opinion or hurt specific groups.
http://www.runet.edu/~wkovarik/class/law/1.9broadcast.html

Interesting to note, there are literally hundreds of private groups out there calling for the ban of FOX news network, from those located in Britain to all over the world.

Please do not use forums as a source, though I am not doubting the validity of the article you were referring to. Both Republicans and Democrats together have fought and supported idiotic censorship rules over history, as shown in my last link provided.

Generally. Maybe even a minority of them.

I said that. Not Commanding General.

But, if that is THE reason for losing the political war, then i say, they/you have much bigger issues to resolve.

Politicians need to sell themselves just like any whore or market good. They only way they can do this is by speaking out, and how they do this. Some of it is based on their ideas, some is not.

FDR was reelected 3 times, despite a growing number of people who hated him and an almost 100% base of Republicans who disagreed with him. He reigned when communism was at its highest in America, and many people of his staff later joined the American Communist Party, including one of his Vice Presidents. Almost everyone who lived during the Great Depression agree that FDR was one of the worst presidents ever. Everyone agrees though, that FDR was one of the best public speakers to ever live, and gave the American People what they wanted to hear: Hope. His fireside talks and frequent speeches despite his physical health equaling shit, were enough to make anyone homeless vote for him.

Language and how effectively we communicate our ideas underlies EVERYTHING

Exactly. Shooting Heroin is a pretty hardcore phrase, but scientifically it is one of the safest recreational practices involving drug use you can engage in.

Commading General, while I generally like your points, you are taking one small issue everyone can agree on and making yourself look pretty foolish. The language is very big, and you need not look any farther than a Coca-Cola ad to see this.

Playing the Language game does not mean lying elemenohpee. Homicide bombers, tax relief, and Weapons of Mass Destruction are all plays on language. Suicidals, tax cuts, and advanced weaponry sound alot different, but are the same thing.

 

[Commanding General]

I will respond more later, creativerandom thanks for your post.

Also, i was wanting ALASDAIRM to go back and actually quote me so he could see that he is a liar and that i didnt contradict myself in any way. He is so pathetic that he stooped to purposely misquoting me to try and make his point...which was the only point he was trying to make. Talk about worthless.

Thanks for mentioning that it was you who said it, but i was hoping alasdairm would come back and admit like a man he was wrong, and that he quoted you and then me and made it look like it was all me. That is as low as it gets, and i swear that is reason enough for a blanket party.

Good post! I will respond more to it later on when i can.

 

[elemenohpee]

Playing the Language game does not mean lying elemenohpee.

I know:

I don't think the language game he was referring to is using deceptive language to trick people into accepting ideas. Using language that more effectively appeals to the masses is the game we need to play.

I think you got mixed up with something our fearless leader said:

In other words: the liberals are so moral and so good that they dont (or havent yet, which the OP was saying they should start) resort to the decptive language war that the conservatives happen to be soooo good at.

 

[CreativeRandom]

I will respond more later, creativerandom thanks for your post.

Sure, whatever man. I like your points and posts but I just completely ostrasized you here.

Also, i was wanting ALASDAIRM to go back and actually quote me so he could see that he is a liar and that i didnt contradict myself in any way. He is so pathetic that he stooped to purposely misquoting me to try and make his point...which was the only point he was trying to make. Talk about worthless.

Great way to talk to a moderator. Show some respect to someone in charge of the best damn forum on the net.

alasdairm, as cynical as you may be, I do support your work here and thanks for running this site. I do not think you have lied in any way.

Talk about worthless

Come on, what the fuck are you saying man? Just because he may be a complete idiot on political issues (excuse me alasdairm) doesn't give you the right to call him worthless or imply he is less than a man. Well... maybe. But still, this is too much. This is supposed to be intelligent discussion, and you are doing everything but right now.

That is as low as it gets, and i swear that is reason enough for a blanket party.

What is that supposed to mean? There are plenty of Democrats who act like Republicans. Kennedy was a great president, and George W. Bush is a great Democrat.

 

[Commanding General]

I said deceptive language. Is that not what you spoke of? You said playing a language "game" that more effectively appeals to the masses...which sounds like deceptive language to me. Not saying that is bad, just repeating how i understood what you said.