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Do you Believe the Media is Biased?

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About those saucer people... In the bible, it clearly states a flying object of fire.... Haha kidding, whatever. I wouldn't know about them and neither would anyone else.

I never said it was unreasonable what you did KemicalBurn. Back then I did not want to visit the Politics forum due to NO diversity of ideas at all when I had looked through it. At Refugee Bluelight, I posted a little bit. I thought I'd quit, but I had to post some threads here that involved bipartisan input. Then I got wrapped up into this. Me and my big mouth.

Democrats do not support an open exchange of ideas. They only want to hear their own ideas parrotted, and refuse to take any other input. This can be seen true in almost any Liberal editorial, whereas Conservative editorials often bash other Conservatives and have liberal ideas and agreements.

What does the former FBI director, Cheney, Rove, and Rice have in common? They are all Republicans who refuse to appear on the O'Reilly Factor, which is considered one of the top most right wing shows. Why? Because they are scared of criticism.

Look at the Limbaugh letter. Hailed by Liberals are the epitome of extreme conservatism, it constitently makes fun of Bush and critisizes everything he does.

So. My point is, do you believe the media specifically biases articles? Editorials do not count, such as the O'Reilly factor and Al Franken Show. Front page of the LA Times, does count.
 
I think it is biased towards bullshit.
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You obviously don't, 'cause you seem to swallow everything the mainstream media says hook, line, and sinker.
 
How 'bout taking your personal little bitchfest for a ride in the waaambulance?

Or somewhere else where you can climb up on your "I'm so superior" stool and preach to your heart's delight, like PM?

Oh that's right, you'd probably be blocked.
 
Excuse me moderators, but I believe glowbug is making unnecessary comments against me that would be inexcusable in many other Bluelight forums.

I don't even get my news from mainstream media. I never watch TV, don't regularly read the newspaper, and don't read magazines.

I've deduced everything from personal research.

And this hook, line, and sinker crap is stupid. I do not agree with everything the Republican party is doing. In fact, I think the majority of it is outright wrong.

The only thing I agree with with the current administration is defense.
 
1) you ought to be referring to 'moderator', singular, as m885 is holding down the fort here alone (most admirably). guess which way he butters his bread, politically? :)

2) do you honestly - truly, deep-down inside, honestly - believe this:

Democrats do not support an open exchange of ideas. They only want to hear their own ideas parrotted, and refuse to take any other input. This can be seen true in almost any Liberal editorial, whereas Conservative editorials often bash other Conservatives and have liberal ideas and agreements.
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really???

because if you genuinely feel that political persuasion - or rather, perceived affiliation to a particular political party - actually dictates the level of active criticism of public figures... then i'm afraid there's not much point speaking to you.

come on - that is utter bullshit and you know it. idiots and partisan talking heads exist on each & every side of the political spectrum... i mean really 8) 8o

3) did you know that the Democrats would actually be regarded as quite right-wing in many other countries? did you know that when examining your media from abroad (no, i haven't been to america, but yes, i have access to all the major cable channels & the major newspaper websites) it's actually a long way from 'liberally-biased'? jeez - you oughta see some of the liberal bias over here...
 
CreativeRandom said:
Democrats do not support an open exchange of ideas. They only want to hear their own ideas parrotted, and refuse to take any other input. This can be seen true in almost any Liberal editorial, whereas Conservative editorials often bash other Conservatives and have liberal ideas and agreements.
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Because we all love Michael Moore so much? Because we all totally agree on things like gun control, drug laws, abortion, free speech in regards to violence in the media, affirmative action, etc. etc.? Because we always fall for silly conspiracy theories on our side? Well you sure picked our number, got us in one!
 
is any business biased? and if so what are they bia$ed toward?
 
I don't even get my news from mainstream media. I never watch TV, don't regularly read the newspaper, and don't read magazines.

I've deduced everything from personal research.
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Do you ever think that perhaps your personal research is biased as well? I'm not doubting the integrity of the sources that you've derived your opinions from, but more the process by which you choose to discredit and accept information. It's been well-documented that people tend to select and pay attention to the information that confirms their beliefs, and undervalue the strength or validity of information that contradicts them.

Have you honestly, with an open mind, rationally considered the evidence offered up by both sides of the debates that you seem so passionate about? Your blind allegience to your particular ideology suggests to me that you have not, although I'm sure you feel you have. And I'm not suggesting this because I disagree with your views - I feel the same way about anyone who refuses point blank to consider anything outside their established views of the world and resorts to name-calling and simplistic stereotypes to discredit their opposition.

In answer to the original question, yes I do beleive the media is biased. I'm not suggesting that all outlets are biased in the same direction, but its very rarely that I read or watch something that doesn't appear (to me at least) to have underlying support of a particular viewpoint. And I think a perception of the media as biased is particularly true if you persist in seeing everything according to rigidly defined categories of 'good' and 'bad' (or 'liberal' and 'conservative'). I'm sure this is deliberate in some instances, but in many others I don't think it's really given much thought.
 
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As hard as some media pundits try, and many admirably do, there is no humanly possible way to escape everyone's natural bias. We are the sum of our experiences. Some are surely better than others at removing emotion from the evalaution but in the end that bias makes itself felt. This is exactly why we need to use as many diverse sources as possible. Then we can take those disparate soures and glean what we can. In the end it's always worth it.
 
do you honestly - truly, deep-down inside, honestly - believe this:
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Yes. I believe intolerance breeds this sort of behavior. Nazis, New Black Panthy Party members, Anti-Gays to the extreme, rascists, all hate any kind of open air of discussion, and selectively report.

jeez - you oughta see some of the liberal bias over here...
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I know. It is a relative term. There will always be a right and left.

Do you ever think that perhaps your personal research is biased as well? I'm not doubting the integrity of the sources that you've derived your opinions from, but more the process by which you choose to discredit and accept information. It's been well-documented that people tend to select and pay attention to the information that confirms their beliefs, and undervalue the strength or validity of information that contradicts them.
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I completely understand, and one of the elements I am most conscious about when doing research on current events. To me, it seemed that the "rebels" out there, who were generally liberal and hated the Republican administration out there, were actually more conformist than those they denounced. Thus, I started researching conservatism in my own "rebellion". I am not making any statements about either side, just pointing out that I almost became conservative in an act of unconformity, whereas usually people say it is the other way around.

I try to deal with numbers as much as possible. No matter the source, quantitative data is never disputable - only the conclusions made from them. I always try to look at quantitative data, and make my own conclusions rather than accept those made in the very same article.

chitty, you bring up valid points that everyone must consider, and are very base of all my ideologies, political and otherwise. I have researched "the other side". Quite frankly, I am shocked at how little i agree with them - almost on nothing. Do not take this as me being a Republican Loyalist. I am a PURIST Republican Loyalist, I am true to everything that the Republican party was founded upon more than a century ago. This does not mean I am a Loyalist to the Republican politicians, of now or ever.

The bell has rang and I have enjoyed reading the very little of your post that I have so far.
 
CreativeRandom is what I would consider a true conservative. He is not stupid, he is not a bad person, his perception of how to deal with society is just very different from a lot of us on this board. We could throw facts and ideas at him all day long that we believe in, that we know are true and cant understand how other people done accept them, but they will not phase him-- not because he is stupid-- but because he identifies with different frames (or groups of ideas and language).

Once I realized this, I completely disregarded the idea that "if you just tell them the facts, then they will understand." This theory is not true. Instead, if the left really wants to win back this nation, then we need to try and play a PORTION of their game, with a progressive spin. Not the portion of lies, corruption and deception, but the portion that transforms liberal ideas into language that can be easily grasped by the masses. Conservatives play the language game very well, they seem to have managed to turn the word liberal into an idea of a a bad thing, which is why I prefer to use to word "progressive." This doesnt change our ideas, its just playing the language game. I also believe that this is why progressives should support guys like Chomsky, who as a linguist, understands this language game.

One of the reasons that the media is deemed biased is because the Conservatives are winning the language game. The other reason is b/c Media shows on television actually do suck huge donkey balls.
 
CreativeRandom said:
Excuse me moderators, but I believe glowbug is making unnecessary comments against me that would be inexcusable in many other Bluelight forums.
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Cry me a river.

You opened up this thread with a continuation of whatever whiny little feud you had going on that would have been better confined to PM. That's inappropriate.

Then you go on with your complaints about this forum, just in a slightly more veiled manner, by attacking this alleged "liberal bias" in media with such unsupported, inflammatory generalizations as "Democrats do not support an open exchange of ideas...[they] refuse to take other input."

Despite your claim that you prefer dealing with numbers, none of your sweeping condemnations of Democrats and "liberal media" are supported by empirical data or even a link, and yet you go on to make those inflammatory statements. If it was your goal to seek "fair and balanced" consideration of conservative viewpoints, you certainly didn't do anything to dispel the notion that many conservatives are under the sway of kneejerk propaganda by posting that load of unsupported "anti-liberal" tripe.

In light of your opening whining and later unsupported diatribe against liberals, do you really think you were fooling anyone that those statements weren't merely an extension of your little rant about the alleged poor treatment you perceive conservative viewpoints as receiving in this forum?

The corporate media is biased towards whatever form of media spin makes it the most money, which in the realm of politics is usually sensationalism in the form of demagoguery or scandal.

CE&P has a left-slanted bias because the views of most of the posters here probably slant somewhat to the left. If it bothers you that much, hit the bricks. I'm sure there are plenty of conservative message boards where you'll feel more at home to express your views among the herd.

"Free speech", at least in the pure sense of the constitutionally protected freedom, does not exist on this board.

Deal with it.
 
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le silly cerveau said:
Conservatives play the language game very well, they seem to have managed to turn the word liberal into an idea of a a bad thing, which is why I prefer to use to word "progressive."
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The word is only bad if you deem it to be bad. For me? Being called a liberal in todays world would be a huge insult. for you it may be a compliment. I dont think conservatives did anything at all, i just thing liberals have become insulted/embarrased by being a liberal! Which only shows your weakness (as a whole) all the more. lol Funny.

You could try all you want to make the word conservative a bad word, but it would never catch on because conservatives are proud to be who we are because we really believe we are right...and no game you play can change that. Unlike liberals who are defined by their wishy washy behavior and being lost in a dream world. To the point where you have allowed the world liberal to become a bad word. You guys cant even defend a word let alone defend a country!!! ;)

If you all are so lost in your ideologies/beliefs that conservatives can defeat you by playing a word game, then what does that say about what you all believe and stand for to the rest of the people looking at you from the outside (the people you want to influence)? Not much. And i can tell you, i am not sure which is worse, being so weak you can be defeated by conservatives changing the meaning of the word liberal, or thinking that conservatives somehow changed the meaning of the word liberal, or even worse yet - admitting that you are being beaten by those undecuted, ignorant, rednecks...and blaming it on a word game...instead of blaming your own beliefs.

You are a perfect example of a wimpy liberal who will never influence a single conservative as long as you live. No offense by that, i am sure you are a wonderful person.
 
wow, it amazes me to see how little conservatives truly know about liberalism. You really dont get it. I study conservatism as much as I can to try and understand it, and to understand why the people that support conservatism choose to do so. Ive read Rick Santorem's bullshit of a book and I dont agree with it, but I now truly understand which Americans are republicans and why. Learn something about liberalism before making uneducated comments.
 
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