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Do you believe in causality?

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thesoundofmotion

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I personally believe that things are in a chain of cause and effects although it is our perception on where we draw the line of what is the cause is and what is the effect.

Regardless I believe there is a cause behind everything.

One thing that kind of boggles me is when coincidences come into place. It almost seems impossible to find some type of cause for certain events.

For example when I think about a person I haven't seen in a few years and all of a sudden I run into this person the next day.

It seems kind of hard to comprehend a cause for something like that.
 
thesoundofmotion you are more speaking of a grand cause than just causality, aren't you? The kind of everything happens for a reason sentiment rather than all events have roots in preceding events sort of thing?

Some days I feel like there is a grand cause and events are all meaningful even if not understood, other days I can not even fathom having any meaningfulness beyond things just occurring as they occur- no special reason to any of it. It does feel nice to believe things are meaningful and have a grand plan. Aesthetic and feeling based reasons are enough to embrace events as meaningful imo.
 
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thesoundofmotion you are more speaking of a grand cause than just causality, aren't you? The kind of everything happens for a reason sentiment rather than all events have roots in preceding events sort of thing?

Some days I feel like there is a grand cause and events are all meaningful even if not understood, other days I can not even fathom having any meaningfulness beyond things just occurring as they occur- no special reason to any of it. It does feel nice to believe things are meaningful and have a grand plan. Aesthetic and feeling based reasons are enough to embrace events as meaningful imo.
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I was actually referring to all events having a preceding event sort of thing although I think you could trace that back to a grand cause.

Aren't they the same though? Saying everything happens for a reason literally means that there is reasoning or cause behind everything that has happened whether we can understand it or not.
 
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imo everything is connected in an intricate unseeable geomatric web allthough this is hard to fathome as we can't see it and our physical senses dominate our beliefs systems initialy in all people without further thought on the subject. This is simply because it is what excists in front of us in a prepackaged formulae that we don't need to discover ourselves. One persons action may go through a series of people who do not know each other before achieving the usefullness on a third party. This then can't be traced as the beneficiors source has allready been lost in other people being the instruments. Alot of times. More so then coincendantially can be acredited for have i thought about a person or a object that i havent put much thought in for a long period of time and then that object is seen infront of me or that person has txt'd or called me at the same time i have thought of them even what they may be thinking about in a strong bonded friendship between yourself and another individual no matter how trivial there thought you may actually get that initial thought in your head because they have thought about it. I noticed this some years back on msn where the other person questioned me going how did you kno i was playing this or talking about this etc which happened on numerous occasions. Just the other day. I was in the middle of a task that i had left for quite some days but decided to do it. Then a friend rang me the specific moment i started doing this task asking questions about it. Mind you this was 5:00am roughly adding further doubt to just a coincident. Last evening so later that day i was at a friends house and they were mentioning tarot cards. I myself have never used them and thought it would be interesting and was offered to have something read. The topic i went with was whether i would recieve something from someone that owed me a large sum for quite some time. At the very end of the reading literal seconds after the whole tarot was completed i recieved a text from them. The phone also staticked and turned itself off and reset its self. That was offtopic but ill include it there cause it was freaky shit! haha.

So in helping with your question think about it this way. You are debating whether these phenomena excist despite having reasonable grounds of evidence along with the collection of many other stories that have termed this phenomena with a dictionary equivalised word. Your dispositions are that you can't see it so you have to question its excistance even as plausible as it presents itself in a logical manner but without a large enough agreance in society it must be deemed more of a phenomena then a reality. We know the universe does not excist as merely a 3Dimensonal inhabitance. There are powers greater then us that are obvious to us. In believing in these we can understand them better in the hopes of understanding our own personal realities with more coherance.
 
I believe in cause and effect, everything has a cause. Cause results in effect and the effect becomes the cause. One sequence of events resulting in another. It is the foundation of our lives, moments and memories are just sequences of cause and effect.

I don't know about the 'first cause' though
 
Causality exists, but not necessarily as an objective attribute of reality. That isn't to say it necessarily is confined to subjectivity, but we don't really have a way of proving otherwise.

It seems silly to me that Hume's treatment of causality and Kant's have been subjugated to some kind of dichotomy - it simply isn't necessary. The two are very compatible. Hume tells us that causality is simply the conjunction of two events, objects, whatever, in time and space. Take any causal event and try to explain the cause. What you can do is break down the cause and event into a series of microprocesses, but when you reach that first cause and effect link - you'll never be able to explain it. What causes my skin to bleed? The laceration of my skin. What causes my skin to lacerate? Torn molecules (or whatever, I'm no scientist.) What causes molecules to tear? You can keep breaking the process down but you'll never reach an explanatory conclusion.

Thus, we can adopt Kant's conception of causality as a result of Hume's observation. We apply causality to our sensory input. Causality will always be present in all aspects of reality because it's a way in which we "filter" our experience.

Again, that's not to say causality can't be a part of reality inherently. The truth is, we just have no way of finding that out, because we'll never see reality in itself, free of perception.
 
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