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do shrooms get better with experience

bighooter

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Do magic mushrooms get better the more you do them?

I have never done them but will be pretty soon, anyway ive read lots of trip reports and it seems to me that the 1st trip is usually where you think the most and the whole experience is fresh.

But the more you do them does the experience become alot more chilled out and less chaotic in terms of thinking?

I ask this because im thinking whether shrooms can sorta open your mind and eventually in time sort of enlighten you as a person.
 
Do you mean does it get better like nicer? My own very first time, actually two initial times were the most incredible because I had no idea before. The more you do it the more you know what to expect though it is ever evolving.
There is unconscious material in all of us and when you start tripping that comes loose, it surfaces and you face it and process it. Sometimes in a very clear and matter-of-fact way, but often enough mushrooms play tricky mindfuck games with you (the most of all psychedelics IME), nagging you with thoughts and stuff like that. In the big picture they can be harsh, and in that way teaching you lessons demanding your awareness. But it can be unforgiving if you're not ready or don't understand (yet) what you are dealing with in yourself. For me personally it was never on my wavelength, by that I mean I have dealt much much better with the way LSD lets me work therapeutically but much clearer in my mind/thoughts.
Eventually the deepest unconscious material is ploughed loose and interfaced with your conscious experience, that seems to be what you mean by first thinking a lot - which clears up.
The last phase of the trip is often much more peaceful because you have processed and adressed a lot of issues and conflicts in your mind. If you trip a lot and not live a lot then after a while you see little surfacing. Then all of it is stirred up, while you are fresh, receptive, unconditioned.
But if you take a break for some time and have life experiences unconscious / unprocessed material and conditioning is bound to bottle up again which invites for another therapy session.
 
The real trick is not to do them too often, but then again often enough (if you find the experiences useful and enjoyable) to supplement a life where the pursuit of self-awareness is amongst your priorities (prettywell just as [I think] solipsis is saying above).

Then each and every trip has the potential to be amazing.

35 years after my first mushroom trip, I still find the experiences amazing.
 
ye i mean better in terms of effect

like because you know what to expect you can handle it.

Also do shrooms make you feel light headed? and do you ever spin out on them/get dizzy?
 
ye i mean better in terms of effect

like because you know what to expect you can handle it.

Also do shrooms make you feel light headed? and do you ever spin out on them/get dizzy?

Well DMT-related substances (so including psiloc(yb)in / mushrooms) can really surprise you even when you thought you 'knew', DMT itself is stunning to me because every experience feels so absolutely unique every time. Mushrooms also have some of that quality. It's like in general terms you can gain experience with mushroom trips which can certainly help you to learn how to navigate these trips / journeys. But at the same time it's really not like an upper or downer type of drug that is relatively independent in its effects. Psychedelics manifest out of who/what/where/how you are, you can start to understand a part of how these factors affect your trip but it's never inequivocally what you expect. So you see it's not so simple a matter.

I have told you this before and I will do it again, without trying to sound like I'm patronizing you, enough things you posted before here in PD make it seem like you need to be careful with tripping. Emotionally stuff like mushrooms could either set you back some more or alternatively help out a great deal, but for derealization it's just bad news.

Don't fool yourself by considering how well you will probably adapt 'after the fact', after you have tripped a bit or a few times. Mushrooms and LSD are both in their own right heavy and I advise you to think about if it is really a good decision for you to take it and if you do, do what redleader says and take a low dose first to test the water. Maybe this isn't necessary for everyone but with your issues so to speak, lower your dosage and stay apprehensive.

If you ask me there are less freaky psychedelics than mushrooms to start with as well...

I hope I'm conveying this to you the right way... :)
 
ye i hear what you're saying it's just ive been depressed for so long its got to the point where every single second of the day is filled with intense boredom, and I dont know how much longer I can stay sober because it is so boring tbh.

I just feel like I have nothing to lose if you get what I mean. I can be worse mentally than I am but its like I havent felt any joy in life for years.

do you think i should start with 2grams of b+ then? would that be a sensible dose?
 
mushrooms are awesome. my first trip was mind blowing, i still remember it like it was yesterday. mushrooms were my first psychedelic experience. i have to say my first trip was the best.. everything after you kind of know what to expect. I took and 8th of cubes and hung out in the woods and by a river, amazing. lsd is great also, i feel psychedelics have changed me for the better, i ive learned to enjoy the simple things in life :) have a nice trip.
 
ye i hear what you're saying it's just ive been depressed for so long its got to the point where every single second of the day is filled with intense boredom, and I dont know how much longer I can stay sober because it is so boring tbh.

I just feel like I have nothing to lose if you get what I mean. I can be worse mentally than I am but its like I havent felt any joy in life for years.

do you think i should start with 2grams of b+ then? would that be a sensible dose?

What an awful way to go into psychedelics. If you're looking for the magic cure for depression in psychedelics (which is what I did), then you're going to be let down, and possibly feel worse in the end. You seem young, and psychedelics often cause social alienation, and when you're young (high school, maybe a little older), your social life's really important to you, and that alienation can lead you into a deeper depression than you started in. You're not going to do shrooms and realize that there's still purpose to life. Not to mention that psychedelics demand respect. Going into a high dose with this mindset and you're just looking to get your ass kicked mentally by your experience.

Basically, 2 grams is not going to get you the "life-changing experience", and the dose that can produce such a state (can, not will) is biting off more than you can chew. I recommend psychedelics wholeheartedly to everyone, but your mindset is terrible. Set and setting, etc. I'm not saying not to do it, I'm saying not to expect to find your place in this world and rid yourself of your depression and anxiety. I tried it too, and it doesn't work.

Do it, have fun, and take it for what it is. Don't be disappointed when it's not what you wanted.
 
Ok then, couple of things in that case: like I said earlier being on mushrooms in a confused state of mind can be very troublesome and it demands resolution then and there. This is both good and bad news for you.
The good news is that a healing experience can help with this sort of thing although I would not easily recommend such a decision if all or many other options haven't been investigated first. I am convinced that transformative experiences happen at a moment of serious conflict, but be warned this is a heavy thing to do. Taking the stuff because you want to escape from your reality is what you really don't want to do since the shrooms will show you an amplified and magnified but dynamically distorted version of your reality. It will confront you and do the exact opposite which is not letting you escape any damn little thing anymore!

It can be extremely constructive and developing, but you need to be prepared to act on it when you are virtually forced to make changes. In your life, in your mind, in your view of your life...
The change will not come externally and spontaneously, you still have to do all the work yourself. What the experience might do is catalyze it and show you the way. Think deep and hard before doing any of this because if you are not prepared to do the work it can REALLY put you stuck in an endless sinkhole of the conflict you are basically already in from what I hear.
I hope you are aware of this.
A part of the experience is a renewed look upon the world, fresh lust for life is not uncommon to show itself... but with the depression you speak of I think you are bound to come across it in-your-face style and when that happens the only way is through it, around it is not an option. In all fairness there is a possibility that part of the work gets done for you, sometimes the quarter falls and realization dawn upon you as if predestined, but don't even think about counting on it.

In the case you dose seriously low the first time(s) and approach it carefully the chance of becoming overwhelmed by all of this I described is significantly slimmer. Sometimes it's not so bad if a powerful experience helps you thrust through it well instead of half way, but then an experienced guide is definitely preferable if not downright necessary in your case.

This is a hard decision to make, I can appreciate that though - stuff like this is risky, but there can certainly be rewards. But again: don't be tricked and don't go immediately for the jackpot - instead treat it with deep contemplation, respect and conscientious mindfulness.
 
thanks guys

btw Im 22 so is this too young to do shrooms? also i gotta add im on prozac so should i do more than 2g as i heard ssris weaken the effect?
 
I find the more you do them the worse they get. Theres a point where you do them a few times and because you know what to expect its easier to handle so you can appreciate the experience more but after using them many times I can no longer stand them.

They make me feel so ill now which they never used to and really I don't know if I will ever use them again. I probably will since they are free but if I trip even once a year I will be surprised.

Acid is SO much better!
 
I'm going to go against the grain and say that, overall, they don't get better with experience. The novelty is irreplaceable, and the more subtle pleasures of experience don't quite compare.

And as DM said, acid is the way to go...

edit: And 22 is not too young, don't worry about it. Your brain isn't growing any more ; )
 
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I can't comment too much with this.. I''ve dosed LSD within the 50+ range, but i've only dosed Mushrooms twice.. due to them been seasonal and more difficult to store.

The major difference i noted between the two substance's was i found Mushrooms to be more uncontrollable.. my thoughts would sway right or left, up or down without any real logical reason.. They felt rather dream-like and alot more difficult to properly interpret then what i found with LSD. I found them to act somewhat more on my emotions in directing them.. whereas LSD everything was a 'process' which could be pulled into peices and examined in great detail.

I can definitely see how they can send you into a twisted dark spiral.. Even 500ug of liquid LSD felt more controllable them the average dose of Mushrooms i ingested. Of course.. ive only dosed them a few times, very strange psychedelic.

DMT however.. that "will" enlighten you. Absolutely incredible molecule.
 
i found Mushrooms to be more uncontrollable.. my thoughts would sway right or left, up or down without any real logical reason..

very very true, my first experience i thought i died and i couldnt find my body met with extreme paranoia and such, absolutely worst feeling and experience of my life. After that i hear to write
"Relax, Enjoy, And Expect" on the top of my hand just for reassurance. and almost every time after that its been fine.
so i would say they get better with more experience under your belt
 
I agree with the guy who said the trick is not to do them very often but as far as experience goes the only benefit i see there is a less of a chance of having a bad trip...
 
My first mushroom trip was so awesome , I ate an 1/8 and it was perfect

But Ive had better trips throughout the years and some really hard ones too. It's all relative to the dose you take and if your ready for it. The only times Ive had bad trips on shrooms was when I was going through a fucked up period of my life. If you take them in the proper set and setting you should be fine :)

Enjoy your Trip <3
 
ive been hearing alot of bad things about mushrooms in the sense it tends to produce more anxiety then Acid.

Now ive done salvia before and had a good experience (extreme laughter) and a bad experience (extreme confusion).

Canabis makes my mind feel as if it has been raped.

Now are shrooms better than weed for anxiety?
 
LSD is certainly more kind on the 'nerves' than psilocybin.

Hallucinogens have a way of helping us confront and work through our problems by breaking down our mental defense mechanisms, so they can be therapeutic for anxiety in that sense, but not in the sense of immediate tranquil effects after you dose.

Psychedelic use is not easy, but it is worth that price.
 
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