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Do Antidepressants stop the high of other drugs?

justahigh

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Even though these days most antidepressants are SRRIs, do they block any of the pathways dopamine or otherwise to getting the maximum effect of your drug of choice?
I'm new to Ice and am needing more than 2-3 pts to feel anything and everyone esp supp thinks I'm lying..
No other drugs on board,
Your thoughts?
 
Generally its accepted that they (SSRI's specifically) do block effects to a significant extent in the case of Serotonin focused drugs like MDMA, however I never noticed any reduction in effect when combining with dopamine focused stims like coke or meth either way.

Also I would say they can increase the risk of issues when combined with all common recreational drugs, and its not advised.

The main "block everything" class of pharma drugs would be the atypical anti psychotics which, unlike SSRI's, do noticeably block stims like coke and meth and probably everything else as well.
 
I have found that ever since I took SSRI's, I no longer get euphoria from most drugs, expecially opiates and MDMA. With MDMA I only get a slight roll, that lasts like 30 minutes, and I get no warmth or fuzziness from opiates like I use to, only a little sedation. I tooke SSRI's for only 8 months, and it has been over 3 years since I quit doing them, and I still don't feel right and get no euphoria from most drugs. Some people can feel euphoria from drugs just fine, while others like me do not feel anything.

I also believe that the way I got off them was also detrimental to this. I was forced to stop taking them cold-turkey by my parents, and experienced bad brain zaps and other weird feelings. I believe if you get off them the proper way, such as tapering slowly, that you can get off them with little to no long-term side effects.
 
^ Yes most definitely SSRI's will kill MDMA dead in its tracks with no hope for results. I would take stupid doses of MDMA and feeling nothing but mild stimulation from it when on SSRI's. However based on "Ice" mentioned in the OP (which i assume is meth), there shouldn't be a noticeable difference based on my experience. I know amps effect serotonin as well to some degree however i never noticed any difference in effect either way.
 
^ Yes most definitely SSRI's will kill MDMA dead in its tracks with no hope for results. I would take stupid doses of MDMA and feeling nothing but mild stimulation from it when on SSRI's. However based on "Ice" mentioned in the OP (which i assume is meth), there shouldn't be a noticeable difference based on my experience. I know amps effect serotonin as well to some degree however i never noticed any difference in effect either way.

Yea amps still seem to work for me, but cocaine has been greatly reduced, as well as MDMA. I don't get any euphoria from opiates unless I bang large amounts of hydromorph or morphine, and even then all I get is the rush and then I feel absolutely no high at all. I know with hydromorph this is mainly true, but with morphine you are supposed to have a nize buzz after the rush for several hours. Before I took SSRI's 30-60mg of oxy use to have me in nodding hard, with a nice warm and orgasmic like high. The second I got on SSRI's all euphoria just vanished. I took up to 6 blues one night and felt no euphoria at all. It's like my brain just stopped producing any kind of euphoria. I believe that the SSRI's fucked with my serotonin network so bad that it left it unable to properly work. There is no other explanation for the loss of euphoria from everything.
 
Thats interesting, i personally did not try real opiates (H to start with) until i stopped SSRI's, but i can say that I needed to use stupid amounts of Kratom get decent results on SSRI's, like 25g to get a 8g result, so perhaps it does effect the opiate mechanism even though there doesn't seem to be any pharmacological reason to explain it as far as i can tell.
 
I've often wondered this mysel. Surely if SSRI's inhibit the brains supply of serotonin, that should surely fuck with the effects of say, cocaine for example, which flood the brain with that chemical. I actually smoked crack once on citralopram once; I sure as hell didn't get the intense euphoria people report of that drug, just a relatively mild sense of well being. The drug itself was good, everybody was high as kites except me. Maybe that could explain it?
 
I looked that one up and sounds perfect for me.
Here's the copy/paste post: esp about SSRI and dendrite atrophy.
WELL DONE. X

Tianeptine is an antidepressant agent with a novel neurochemical profile. It increases serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine; 5-HT) uptake in the brain (in contrast with most antidepressant agents) and reduces stress-induced atrophy of neuronal dendrites. Like the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and in contrast with most tricyclic antidepressant agents, tianeptine does not appear to be associated with adverse cognitive, psychomotor, sleep, cardiovascular or bodyweight effects and has a low propensity for abuse. Tianeptine has a comparatively favourable pharmacokinetic profile. It is not subject to first-pass hepatic metabolism, has high bioavailability and limited distribution, and is rapidly eliminated. While this offers advantages for tianeptine over the tricyclic antidepressant agents in terms of dose titration, treatment changes and potential drug interactions, its rapid elimination makes adherence to dosage schedules more important. Tianeptine differs from most antidepressants in that it is not primarily metabolised by the hepatic cytochrome P450 system, indicating less likelihood of drug-drug interactions; this is of particular interest for elderly patients. Tianeptine, in dosages of 25 to 50 mg/day, has been investigated in patients with major depression, depressed bipolar disorder, dysthymia or adjustment disorder. It has equivalent antidepressant efficacy to several classical antidepressant agents (amitriptyline, clomipramine, imipramine, mianserin) and the SSRIs fluoxetine (in most patients), paroxetine and sertraline. Comparison with maprotiline indicated superior efficacy for tianeptine but dothiepin appeared superior in another study. Extended treatment with tianeptine decreases the incidence of relapse/recurrence of depression. Tianeptine appears to be as effective as fluoxetine, sertraline, amitriptyline, clomipramine and mianserin and more effective than maprotiline in improving associated anxiety in patients with depressive disorders. Depression and anxiety symptoms in alcohol dependant patients also respond well to tianeptine. The adverse effects associated with tianeptine are similar in many respects to those of the SSRIs and minimal in comparison with the tricyclic antidepressants. The most common adverse effects are nausea, constipation, abdominal pain, headache, dizziness and changes in dreaming. Anticholinergic effects occur less often with tianeptine than with tricyclic agents. Hepatoxicity is rare. The dosage should be decreased in elderly patients and those with severe renal failure, but adjustment is not necessary in patients with alcoholism or hepatic impairment, or those undergoing haemodialysis. Conclusions: The antidepressant efficacy and favourable tolerability and pharmacokinetic profiles of tianeptine in patients with depression, including those with associated anxiety, have been proven; the data indicate that it may have additional potential in specific subgroups of depressed patients such as the elderly and those with chronic alcoholism.
 
I was so excited to go to my GP with this drug to Rx my depression, Tianeptine? Apparently not only is this drug NOT available in Australia (only New Zealand), the TGA hasn't even got it on the List of drugs to look at yet! Furious I was.

Why isn't it even being a LOOKED AT in Australia?
 
Just from personal experience I've been on an SSRI for a couple years now and the only drug it seems to block is MDMA. It literally just doesn't work at all, but every other drug I've noticed no difference.
 
I'n my experience; yes. Almost any drug has reduced effects while taking ssri's. The only one I can think of that doesn't is alcohol. But ssri's are somehow very good at keeping (atleast me) stable. Before with the right drugs I could go outright manic reaching the heavens. But thats the price you pay for having an everyday stabler life :) and that price is worth it for me. One thing I noticed tough was that Amphetamines seemed to stay longer in the body, not any pleasant or unpleasant sensation it just seemed the speed behaviour would last lots longer, even a good day later after the crash and sleep, really weird.
 
I took Zoloft for 4 days. low dose 25mg. I stopped because I felt ill. Than I realised OXy Morphine Codiene... nothing makes me high anymore.. after 4 days. even a couple of doses were like 23mgs when i snapped the 50's in two.

I googled it seems like nothing can be done
 
I took Zoloft for 4 days. low dose 25mg. I stopped because I felt ill. Than I realised OXy Morphine Codiene... nothing makes me high anymore.. after 4 days. even a couple of doses were like 23mgs when i snapped the 50's in two.

I googled it seems like nothing can be done

This thread is about 2 years old.

SSRIs would have no effect on the high of opiates, so I'm not sure what to tell you about that.
 
I took 4 days of Zoloft 2 days at 25mg and the final 2 days at around 23mg. I stopped due to concerns about other health factors..

I go to use my pain relief and ive kept it low. i never used over 17.5 mg of oxycodone.. or 40 mgs of oral morphine solution.. So I Take my Oxycodone dose before chest physio.. and nothing happens.. no good feeing no buzz nothing not even pain relief... the only thing that remained the same for me was how i get tired about 3-4..

So I decided to doubke m oxy dose to 30 mgs.. when previous high use was 15 mgs and i had been using 10 for the last 2 months..

absolutely nothing.. though the tiredness kicked in and i slept solid for 12 hours.. \

so than i start research and sure enough i see that its common for SSRI's to lesson the effects.. but most say it only happens while they take them.. i bailed out on a low dose after only 4 days ands it 80 hours on and no change..

after digging some i found quite a few stories of people permanently losing their ability to feel good on pain meds after ssri's/

From Blue lights own BIGsherm7272

I have found that ever since I took SSRI's, I no longer get euphoria from most drugs, expecially opiates and MDMA. With MDMA I only get a slight roll, that lasts like 30 minutes, and I get no warmth or fuzziness from opiates like I use to, only a little sedation. I tooke SSRI's for only 8 months, and it has been over 3 years since I quit doing them, and I still don't feel right and get no euphoria from most drugs. Some people can feel euphoria from drugs just fine, while others like me do not feel anything.


I also believe that the way I got off them was also detrimental to this. I was forced to stop taking them cold-turkey by my parents, and experienced bad brain zaps and other weird feelings. I believe if you get off them the proper way, such as tapering slowly, that you can get off them with little to no long-term side effects.


I even came across a guy who lost the ability to get a buzz or the feel good feelings from alcohol.. sure he still stumbles after 10 beers. but happiness and the relaxed feelings all gone and his poor bigger took only 1 prozac pill.

So it seems like some people or most get reduced effects while on SSRI's but lots of meds reduce the others but the highs and effects come bac once they stop then there is the smaller group who are left with permanent changes i guess brain wiring..

i didnt know this could happen and worry about it.. it happened to me and through research i found myself here.

like i said after 4 days use ive been off them little over 3 days.. so im hoping it returns to normal. though once i hit a week if things have ot changed ill know its a perm situation because its not like i was on these pills for 8 months to a year i was on them for 4 days... i read a study where they gave lexapro 1 pill to healthy male and they saw brain changes via mri within 3 hours.

Now im wondering if there is anything out there that can reset a brain after using an SSRI like something to open up the absorption back into the presynaptic cell instead of limiting reabsorbtion like SSRI's do..

Ive been needing a combined liver lung transplant since 2005 but it was a surgery that could not be done in australia to 2012 sso i was told to just go home and live and die but instead of retired moved back in with parents.. health picked up after leaving the rat race.. so by being a hermit i survived long enough to 2012 combined lver lungs became an option in austraia..

after a sinuss surgery i was given pain meds and all of a sudden im exercising which is near impossible on 28 percent lung cpacity.. so i continued on them and im booked to see a proper pain specialist in 3 weeks for a ong term solution.. i went to the movies for the first time in 7 years.. its amazing what pain relief has doen for me.. so me being open is why they tried the SSRI zoloft and now its ruined the miracle i found
 
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I was going to ask bigsherm7272 if the opiates still killed the pain effectively even though the euphoria was reduced but this thread is so old I doubt he/she is paying attention to it. Can anyone else answer this question?
 
I was going to ask bigsherm7272 if the opiates still killed the pain effectively even though the euphoria was reduced but this thread is so old I doubt he/she is paying attention to it. Can anyone else answer this question?

My oxycodone has been reduced to basically no pain relief. i bet a lot of people OD this way.. as I upped my dose. doubled it to truly check and sure enough no buzz.. no pain relief.. but i vomited and felt sick from taking too muuch

I didnt know how this issue... it happened and thats why i started googling

Its been long enough now that I believe its permanent..

4 low doses of Zoloft totally ruined me.
 
That really sucks, I feel for ya man. Makes me glad I stopped my Prozac months ago cause I was getting my AD effects from my pain meds.

EDIT: I just realized you are not a man but a woman, my bad.
 
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