DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol)

It is the devil incarnate. No fat loss is worth spending days on end in agony. I've used it several times and will never again. Losing fat doesn't have to be that uncomfortable. I couldn't tolerate even 400mg/day. I used 200mg every day or every 36 hours for longer periods and it wasn't as horrible. The fat loss was much less pronounced. It will have you craving carbs to the point where it's possible to eat through it's weight loss effects. You need to have nothing to do and an ice box to live in to do it effectively. I highly recommend against it.
 
It is the devil incarnate. No fat loss is worth spending days on end in agony. I've used it several times and will never again. Losing fat doesn't have to be that uncomfortable. I couldn't tolerate even 400mg/day. I used 200mg every day or every 36 hours for longer periods and it wasn't as horrible. The fat loss was much less pronounced. It will have you craving carbs to the point where it's possible to eat through it's weight loss effects. You need to have nothing to do and an ice box to live in to do it effectively. I highly recommend against it.

Sounds horrible!

 
DNP is for people on stage only.

What the fuck is it with you and cutting? Get your diet dialed in and you won't have to research bullshit like this.
 
DNP is for people on stage only.

What the fuck is it with you and cutting? Get your diet dialed in and you won't have to research bullshit like this.

I didn't say I was looking to take it fuck that, I'm just pointing out that incredible fat loss.
 
If I recall correctly, Dinitrophenol (DNP) is treated as a toxin. The ratio of a dosage that could be lethal in comparison to an "effective" dosage is not very high. Adverse effects include being cooked from the inside out.
 
It IS a metabolic poison, plain and simple. It's a carcinogen in addition to that.
 
DNP is fucking horrid stuff. My boy did a cutting cycle with DNP a few months ago and I had to go to his house to feed him, get him water, and clean up his bottles and shit bags. Getting out of bed was near impossible for him, he had the AC on max and two fans blowing on him. It had white bed sheets and his sweat was yellow and stained them to shit.

If you need to cut get your diet in check, you can go so far with diet alone. If you need to get further use an ECA stack or at most Clenbuterol.
 
Some history is required here I believe. The first high level competitive use of DNP was for Mr. Canada in 2002. It was part of an elaborate biochemical optimisation. Idea from use came from a renowed pharma book where it last appeared in the 1970's (Goodman & Gillman, yellow edition). The pharma literature reported that it provided for a linear increase in body temperature with dosage. That information, very intuitive, is incorrect. You can take DNP up to a certain level without too much acceleration of body temperature, heart rate, respiration rate, etc. Then, just a little more and everything goes out of control. Someone trying to see the side-effects expected from the 1930's usage used increasing amounts without too much effect. Then, it went out of control with pulse above 180, extremely fast respiration, consumption of 1 liter of fluid every 20 minutes and problems controlling body temperature even laying naked on a cold waterbed, heating closed, all windows open in minus 10-15C weather and fan blowing at maximum directly on body.

Initial protocol was to use around 500 mg every 2 days for an expected loss of 0.5 lbs of fat per dose in order to avoid accumulation from the around 36 hours half life. To protect against extreme oxydation, 4 grams of vitamin C were taken every 2to 4 hours. Experimenter found it more useful to take very small doses througout the day going by feeling. Experimenter was very tuned to what was going on in his body and that may explain the lack of issues in that specific case.

To answer the initial question:
The uncoupling of the phosphorylation of ADP to ATP by DNP alone could not have lead to reported fat loss. There is of course acceleration of the metabolic processes to evacuate the extra heat. The value of this is difficult to evaluate but is significant. Expect around 0.5 lbs of fat loss per 500 mg dosage. At a 'safer' dosage of 250mg a day you should get around 7lbs of pure fat loss within a month even if individual is already below 6%.
The maximum dosage that I have seen someone use (6'4" and over 300lbs but fit) is 1000 mg a day. In most individuals this will lead to a very long period of extreme heat removal and-or death.

As within any advanced bodybuilding approach (especially biochemical optimisation) someone should cover the basis first. That means healthy diet, comprehensive vitamins-minerals-supplements, highly trained VO2Max and a person without dieseases in general. I would expect someone who takes it 20 years later to use additional:
-CLA with Lecithin
-ALCAR
-co-Q-10
-lipoic acid
-any and all anti-oxydant

Be safe and use biochemistry for better living.
 
Some history is required here I believe. The first high level competitive use of DNP was for Mr. Canada in 2002. It was part of an elaborate biochemical optimisation. Idea from use came from a renowed pharma book where it last appeared in the 1970's (Goodman & Gillman, yellow edition). The pharma literature reported that it provided for a linear increase in body temperature with dosage. That information, very intuitive, is incorrect. You can take DNP up to a certain level without too much acceleration of body temperature, heart rate, respiration rate, etc. Then, just a little more and everything goes out of control. Someone trying to see the side-effects expected from the 1930's usage used increasing amounts without too much effect. Then, it went out of control with pulse above 180, extremely fast respiration, consumption of 1 liter of fluid every 20 minutes and problems controlling body temperature even laying naked on a cold waterbed, heating closed, all windows open in minus 10-15C weather and fan blowing at maximum directly on body.

Initial protocol was to use around 500 mg every 2 days for an expected loss of 0.5 lbs of fat per dose in order to avoid accumulation from the around 36 hours half life. To protect against extreme oxydation, 4 grams of vitamin C were taken every 2to 4 hours. Experimenter found it more useful to take very small doses througout the day going by feeling. Experimenter was very tuned to what was going on in his body and that may explain the lack of issues in that specific case.

To answer the initial question:
The uncoupling of the phosphorylation of ADP to ATP by DNP alone could not have lead to reported fat loss. There is of course acceleration of the metabolic processes to evacuate the extra heat. The value of this is difficult to evaluate but is significant. Expect around 0.5 lbs of fat loss per 500 mg dosage. At a 'safer' dosage of 250mg a day you should get around 7lbs of pure fat loss within a month even if individual is already below 6%.
The maximum dosage that I have seen someone use (6'4" and over 300lbs but fit) is 1000 mg a day. In most individuals this will lead to a very long period of extreme heat removal and-or death.

As within any advanced bodybuilding approach (especially biochemical optimisation) someone should cover the basis first. That means healthy diet, comprehensive vitamins-minerals-supplements, highly trained VO2Max and a person without dieseases in general. I would expect someone who takes it 20 years later to use additional:
-CLA with Lecithin
-ALCAR
-co-Q-10
-lipoic acid
-any and all anti-oxydant

Be safe and use biochemistry for better living.

Thanks for the info! I read an article earlier about a girl taking it and was quite successful, on the other hand i read about an obese woman who didn't know as thing about it took 5 times the recommended amount and died. Kind of shows that if you do you're research and you're sensible enough and experience you'll pull through alright
 
made a mistake on my post. Competitive use started in 1992... time passes so fast.

and yes DNP is toxic with potential death. That is pretty much the only side effect.
 
Do not, do not take DNP

There was a guy I competed against a couple of years ago who used it. He said it felt like he was dying for three weeks straight.

You know what? I still stomped his ass and took the class because I worked hard and lost fat the right way. People are so focused on short cuts these days. Stick to what's tested and proven to work! And certainly don't risk your life and precious muscle mass!a
 
Guy on one of my other AAS forums is now having to go into cataracts surgery as a direct result of his DNP use, just in case anyone reading this thread still isn't put off.
 
Guy on one of my other AAS forums is now having to go into cataracts surgery as a direct result of his DNP use, just in case anyone reading this thread still isn't put off.

Fuck. I had heard rumors that DNP can cause cataracts but I never heard of it actually being true.

People don't realize that DNP is a poison. It's a straight up metabolic poison.
 
Where I live there has been an increasing amount of people starting to experiment with DNP. I've seen a lot of logs around the forums.

Most people over 180 pounds should manage a dose about 200 mg. The most common mistake people tend to do is that they are impatient and raise the dose when they don't feel anything.

I don't recommend anyone to use this since I don't know you, your health and if your on the alert or not.

A guy that I know have used it several times and he's also a chemist. He claims that it is a safe drug as long as you know what you are doing. The scary things is that you actually can get cooked from the inside if you by mistake overdosing and then eat sufficient amount carbs. Probably it will not help even if you bathe yourself in ice.

I also know a guy that went cocky and took 750 mg a day, and after a day or so he ended up in hospital. This guy has used a lot of amphetamines and steroids over the years and tolerates them well. DNP is obviously another thing.

Still, I would prefer DNP over clenbuterol or moderate use of T3/T4 any day of the week.
 
Fuck. I had heard rumors that DNP can cause cataracts but I never heard of it actually being true.

People don't realize that DNP is a poison. It's a straight up metabolic poison.

I've read of a board member on an AAS forum needing cataract surgery also. Mind telling me which one you read it on?
 
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