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madissues

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I am interested in some discussion about one of the most inriguing chemicals i have ever read about. terrence mckenna has written pretty extensively about the experiences he and others have had, as well as the origination and the chemical make up of the drug. is there anyone that has been there and done that and would like to share their insight, experience, and stories ? i am curious to hear and would invite the opportunity to get more exposure on the subject.
peace.love.
 
I've never had any experience with the drug (I WANT to though
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) and've done some token researching into its effects. Jus' wonderin' if you could gimme some links about it? particularly the Terrance McKenna stuff. After reading his Time-Wave Zero theory I've wanted to get into his stuff.
 
dmt extraction & trips at dmtworld (hosted by lycaeum)
new book out by strassman (_the spirit molecule_)
trip reports & info & links at erowid & lycaeum
info on dmt plant brews & dreams of trips at ayahuasca.com
und so weiter
 
you forgot to mention deoxy.org ...thats a good site no?
and i think brainmachines.com has good info on dimitry too.
-Lev
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i did fail to mention deoxy.org. terence's site is pretty phenomenal eventhough it hasn't been touched in a long time. and the one book i was going to mention was the spirit molecule. i haven't read it. i just came across the site a few weeks ago. i have not had a dmt experience but would invite the opportunity. in the werds of terence, "this is not for the faint hearted, this is white knuckle stuff we are talking about here folks". i have always felt i was into recreational chemical consumption for more than just "fun". there is something to be understood and/or achieved through say psychedelic experience. this is what i am hoping to become more apart of through vehicles such as bluelight. i look forward to more of your comments.
peace.love.
 
For some people DMT is not a head trip, just visuals, but for most people I know (including myself) it is a lot more than that.
If you take a full dose in a good hit it will probably take you as high or higher than you have ever been in a matter of a few seconds. I always compare the come on as what it must be like to die. It is a full on out of body experience which usually includes a total loss of identity and ego. You don't really see halucinations, you become one. Everything you know about the world you throw out the window. If you get high enough you will completely be in another dimesion where the physical laws of earth do not apply.
I always enjoy the contact with entities, its always a complete reality warp. Its really bizaare communicating telepathically with them in some cyber-language. Sometimes there is a dark side to the DMT experience, sometimes the entities will really fuck with your head and take advantage of your complete loss of ego to persuade you that you are dead, your life was a cosmic joke for their amusement, or that you will never come down.
It can be scary but it gets a little easier after you have done it a couple times and realize that you didn't die and that you will come down in a few minutes. It is not for everyone but if that is up your alley, it will be a profound life experience.
 
Thanks for the info guys. I know what I'll be busy reading tonight when I get back from work...
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"Yes, I am one of the most despised and despicable of media monsters, that blight of corruption against morality and decency and law’n’order — one who chooses to partake of consciousness-altering flowering herbs and alchemical essences — a drug user!"
 
Thanks for the info guys - it's good to see not everyone is in this game for "best ways to fuck myself up on pharmies that mom has" or "lsd = glass of orange juice".
Two thumbs up... i'm almost tempted now.
PS - descend - nice post
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fairnymph... i found that online a while ago...its the best source I've seen in a while....they even got photographs
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Have you made any?
 
I have never tried DMT, but I would love to.
I would have to extract it myself though. I'm afraid most of the shit on the street is that crap 5-meoDMT. I want the real deal.
Anyway, Strassman's book is amazing.
Strassman concludes that DMT is what gives your brain its antenna-like properties to recieve all the sensory information around us.
He found that its only released naturally in the human brain shortly after birth, and at the moment of death. Theorizing that DMT triggers the entrance and the release of the soul.
He also believes that alien abduction stories come about from people whose brains malfunction at some point when their pineal glands accidently release too much DMT. Alien abduction stories are compared to stories of DMT trips in his study with striking similarity.
Another finding that really gets me is that over 90% of hauntung stories in the world are about people who died of severe head wounds. Destroying the part of the brain that would release DMT and ultimately their soul.
Interesting shit.
 
I am currently doing a lot of "Research" with DMT. I don't even know where to begin typing - it is like nothing I have ever experienced. Email me if you have specific questions you want answered.
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"I dislike the drug you are using, but I would defend with my life your right to use it."
- Paraphrase on Voltaire
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."
- Dr. Johnson
"We do not sense imagination enough to sense what we are missing."
-Jean Toomer
 
If you think 5-MeO-DMT is crap, you haven't smoked it. It's just got different visuals than DMT and you don't get to see little elves or whatever.
But believe me, 15mgs of it evaporated on foil and inhaled through an emptied pen is quite enough to get you lost in time and shown the secrets of ancient South American empires.
 
I have some and am planning to take it soon. Please do not solicit me, it was a one-time deal i lucked out on.
Anyways:
1) What is the dosage? Is it possible to take a small amount to integrate oneself into the experience gradually, and then let it rip once one feels comfortable? I find it's not always best to have all secrets of a drug revealed to you at once, it's sometimes hard to process and integrate, and i wish to use dmt in a shamanistic context, not as the ultimate mind-blower. Whaddy think?
2) Does anybody prefer methods other than smoking?
3) Any combinations with other drugs have reputed success?
4) Any handy MAOI's i could find easily that would help?
5) Preferred setting: outdoors, indoors w/visuals, indoors isolation chamberish.
6) Preferred group: just you and sitter, you sitter and dmt friends, or the latter plus people not on dmt.
7) What do people that are high on dmt look like?
 
A word of advice: it seems that a lot of people do not get the full experience the first time they try it, it usually takes a coulple times to get a full effect from it.
20-40 mg is about right to start with, but it depends on the DMT and the person. You can try to build up to a full experience, but its kind of hard. A few milligrams difference can mean going from almost no effects to a full on experience. DMT is something you really can not prepare yourself for. I thought I was ready the first time I got the full experience, but as I started to evaporate in a period of less than 5 seconds, that changed pretty quick.
As long as you are in a safe setting, the setting does not matter that much. After you get sucked into the DMT dimension you barely open your eyes so the setting is not that important. I know some people that like to do it by a source of water because supposedly DMT is a water spirit and responds positively to this environment, so this might be something you want to try since you said you are looking for a shamanistic experience.
I've only smoked it, so I can't really tell you about IV, IM, or oral ingestion.
Some of my friends like to smoke it right before they eat LSD, or on the comedown of MDMA or LSD. Smoking it during the middle of a psychedelic experience is about as intense as you can get, and you will stay in the DMT reality much longer and the residual effects will last much longer as well. It is quite a profound experience, but I would caution against doing it until you are familiar with the effects of DMT by itself.
You probably want to do it only with the sitter and the other people doing DMT. Even with that you probably don't want people talking around you or staring at you because it can interfere with the experience. Its alright if people are present, but it will probably just confuse the hell out of you and you won't go as far into the trip as you normally would. Just have everyone be quiet so you are not hearing about what people had for dinner while your ego is being squashed.
As far as what someone looks like, almost everyone lays down for it, some lay on their backs, some crouch up in the fetal posistion. Most people are pretty still, but some people look like they are having a mild seizure. Some people will try to talk, but its pretty pointless, you won't make any sense at all.
Hope that helped, Enjoy
 
Good to see you are interested in doing your homework before embarking on what will probably be the most intense (albeit brief) drug experience you will ever undergo. Anyhow, here's my 2 cents…
1A: Dosages vary depending on a myriad of factors, including the desired effects (of course), set and setting, individual tolerance to the substance. Some people seem to be more sensitive to DMT's effects than others. Don't rely too heavily on published data pertaining to DMT's dosage. What may be considered the amount necessary for threshold effects could be inactive in some, while overpowering in others. Try smoking the smallest amount possible, and gradually build up the dosage until you feel sufficiently DMT conscious. If you want to experience a longer lasting, milder DMT experience, I would recommend Ayahuasca/Pharmahuasca. Both substances are non-DEA scheduled, and are available via numerous mail order companies.
2A: DMT, as far as I know, is inactive when any method other than smoking is used. DMT is only orally active in the presence of an MAOI which inhibits the metabolism of the drug. I would assume the same holds true for snorting it also. I've never heard of injecting aqueous DMT, so I wouldn't know the efficacy of doing so. Your best bet in the case of pure DMT is to puff on the stuff.
3A: This is tricky. The DMT experience tends to be very enveloping, and it seems to overpower the effects of most drugs. Being high on marijuana (at least for me) makes the switchover from reality to DMT hyperspace less disorienting. Smoking marijuana as the trip subsides will also bring back some of the effects of the drug (mainly boldening of fading visuals; mind effects such as "DMT consciousness" are notably absent, at least in my case). The only other drug I've tried with DMT other than weed is salvia divinorum. Not a good idea, as I experienced amnesia. I regained "normal" consciousness sometime later, bong in hand, knowing something fucked up just happened, but for the life of me I couldn't remember what. Amyl Nitrate or Nitrous Oxide tends to intensify the effects of other hallucinogens, although I've never tried it with DMT. I can't really imagine the DMT experience being more intense than it is.
4A: Yes indeedy. Go to any health food store, or OTC section of a drugstore pharmacy and look for capsuled Yohimbe; it is a naturally occuring MAOI. If your peer group is mostly drug people (like mine is), there is bound to be at least one person you know, or that one of your friends know, that has a perscription for Prozac or Zoloft (depression seems to be a sort of drughead plague). Just ask for 1 or 2 pills, as a healthy person may notice many unwanted mental and sexual side effects with such drugs, although they are more frequent with regular use.
5A: Personally I enjoy outdoors. It's awe inspiring to see nature's majesty fractalizing into a spiraling infinity.
6A: For me, I always like to trip with people around. The collective energy of 3 or more people in DMT hyperspace is truly amazing!
7A: Hard to say really, as the only times I've seen people high on DMT is when I've been under its spell myself. Gaping mouth and/or dopey smile, blank stare and immobility seem to be the norm from what I've noticed.
Hope this was helpful. Good luck, and happy voyage!
 
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