Leprechaun
Bluelighter
Although I am sort of reluctant to post it here, I have a bit of really good information about DMT. I hear many people have neither heard of it, nor tried it. I am sure some people on this thread have read about it on other sources, but the majority of people have not heard of it.
For the eduction of everyone here, I hope this comes of good use.
DISCLAIMER: I do not in anyway suggest that the material mentioned below should be inhaled, ingested, or absorbed into the blood stream in any form.
COURTESY OF USENET - Anonymous
DMT is Dimethyl Tryptamine = N,N Dimethyl 3-amino-ethyl indole. It is a powerful hallucinogen, the prototype of this class, and chemically related to psiloc(yb)in and more distantly to LSD. Dose: around 60 mg.
Method of ingestion:
Usually smoked (inactive orally at reasonable doses.) Can be combined with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI) to make it orally active and increase the duration. Could be snuffed or or injected.
Duration of action:
2-5 minutes of peak, around half an hour of cruise. Side effects: Stimulation and tactile hallucination during trip. No perceivable after-effects. No known long term side effects. May be some link with schizophrenia, since it has been detected in vivo.
Status:
Illegal in USA, Australia, most places.
History:
Is a component of some snuffs used by South American natives. also used in combination with MAOIs (harmaline etc.).
Availability:
Very rarely available from dealers; rarely synthesised. Available from a range of natural sources.
Psychological effects:
A very intense but brief trip, not really euphoric. Can be frightening because of the sudden onset. Not really a party drug, rather an interesting experience. More intense than LSD, but hallucinations and perceptual changes are of a somewhat different nature.
(these are only my opinions and recollections)
There are three issues here which are a little confused:
strength in the sense of effective dose,
strength in terms of subjective intensity,
being a superior hallucinogen in some subjective sense.
Comparing DMT and LSD, the first is easy. The effective dose of LSD is around 100 ug, of DMT is around 60 mg, so in this sense, LSD is a much stronger hallucinogen.
In terms of intensity, they are difficult to compare. Part of the intensity of DMT stems from the fact that the onset is virtually instantaneous; one is taken from feeling normal to the peak of the trip in the space of a few seconds, and this can be totally disorienting and frightening. DMT does not have the euphoria of LSD, in fact it can be quite uncomfortable. Also, the smoking of DMT is quite unpleasant compared with eating some small object. The types of hallucinations experienced within the peak of the DMT trip differ markedly from those in the peak of the LSD trip. This difference is very hard to describe, although one might contrast the dripping flowing colourful experience of LSD with the DMT visuals in which everything becomes super sharp to the point of being ripped into fragments, like placing a photo in a blender. There is some colour enhancement, but it is more like lightning-bolts of colour rather than flowing ripples of colour, and colours may be actually entirely changed and several multiple images seen at once.
The 20-30 minute come-down of DMT is similar in experience and intensity to a small dose of LSD, however one is likely to be too shattered by the initial peak to worry about this much. However, extending the duration of DMT by the use of monoamineoxidase inhibitors (Ayahuasca,Yage,etc.) is supposed to be a very intense experience and could give one time to become more involved in it. It is possible to lose all contact with the senses and the world briefly while on DMT, as it is, e.g. from a combination of nitrous oxide and LSD. Also, psiloc(yb)in seems to have some similarity to DMT whilst retaining similarity to LSD, in that during the psilocin experience one can be transported into a different reality, although one which is still definitely based sensually on this one, and not be able to remember or understand everday reality. Other hallucinogenic experiences, e.g. the delerium caused by anti-cholinergics, might be still more intense than DMT in terms of being completely removed from traditional reality, but I don't think anyone would recommend experimenting with these dangerous substances.
In terms of which is the superior hallucinogen, it depends on your taste. DMT is very interesting and extremely intense, but not necessarily pleasant. LSD has more potential for pure recreation. Most people would probably prefer LSD as a recreational hallucinogen, and it would be ill-advised for someone who was not very familiar with coping with the intensity of LSD to be thrust into the intensity of DMT. On the other hand, if you don't like DMT, you only have to hang on for a few minutes, whereas if you don't like LSD you have to hang on for several hours.
This is, of course, apart from the dosage, all subjective.
For the eduction of everyone here, I hope this comes of good use.
DISCLAIMER: I do not in anyway suggest that the material mentioned below should be inhaled, ingested, or absorbed into the blood stream in any form.
COURTESY OF USENET - Anonymous
DMT is Dimethyl Tryptamine = N,N Dimethyl 3-amino-ethyl indole. It is a powerful hallucinogen, the prototype of this class, and chemically related to psiloc(yb)in and more distantly to LSD. Dose: around 60 mg.
Method of ingestion:
Usually smoked (inactive orally at reasonable doses.) Can be combined with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI) to make it orally active and increase the duration. Could be snuffed or or injected.
Duration of action:
2-5 minutes of peak, around half an hour of cruise. Side effects: Stimulation and tactile hallucination during trip. No perceivable after-effects. No known long term side effects. May be some link with schizophrenia, since it has been detected in vivo.
Status:
Illegal in USA, Australia, most places.
History:
Is a component of some snuffs used by South American natives. also used in combination with MAOIs (harmaline etc.).
Availability:
Very rarely available from dealers; rarely synthesised. Available from a range of natural sources.
Psychological effects:
A very intense but brief trip, not really euphoric. Can be frightening because of the sudden onset. Not really a party drug, rather an interesting experience. More intense than LSD, but hallucinations and perceptual changes are of a somewhat different nature.
(these are only my opinions and recollections)
There are three issues here which are a little confused:
strength in the sense of effective dose,
strength in terms of subjective intensity,
being a superior hallucinogen in some subjective sense.
Comparing DMT and LSD, the first is easy. The effective dose of LSD is around 100 ug, of DMT is around 60 mg, so in this sense, LSD is a much stronger hallucinogen.
In terms of intensity, they are difficult to compare. Part of the intensity of DMT stems from the fact that the onset is virtually instantaneous; one is taken from feeling normal to the peak of the trip in the space of a few seconds, and this can be totally disorienting and frightening. DMT does not have the euphoria of LSD, in fact it can be quite uncomfortable. Also, the smoking of DMT is quite unpleasant compared with eating some small object. The types of hallucinations experienced within the peak of the DMT trip differ markedly from those in the peak of the LSD trip. This difference is very hard to describe, although one might contrast the dripping flowing colourful experience of LSD with the DMT visuals in which everything becomes super sharp to the point of being ripped into fragments, like placing a photo in a blender. There is some colour enhancement, but it is more like lightning-bolts of colour rather than flowing ripples of colour, and colours may be actually entirely changed and several multiple images seen at once.
The 20-30 minute come-down of DMT is similar in experience and intensity to a small dose of LSD, however one is likely to be too shattered by the initial peak to worry about this much. However, extending the duration of DMT by the use of monoamineoxidase inhibitors (Ayahuasca,Yage,etc.) is supposed to be a very intense experience and could give one time to become more involved in it. It is possible to lose all contact with the senses and the world briefly while on DMT, as it is, e.g. from a combination of nitrous oxide and LSD. Also, psiloc(yb)in seems to have some similarity to DMT whilst retaining similarity to LSD, in that during the psilocin experience one can be transported into a different reality, although one which is still definitely based sensually on this one, and not be able to remember or understand everday reality. Other hallucinogenic experiences, e.g. the delerium caused by anti-cholinergics, might be still more intense than DMT in terms of being completely removed from traditional reality, but I don't think anyone would recommend experimenting with these dangerous substances.
In terms of which is the superior hallucinogen, it depends on your taste. DMT is very interesting and extremely intense, but not necessarily pleasant. LSD has more potential for pure recreation. Most people would probably prefer LSD as a recreational hallucinogen, and it would be ill-advised for someone who was not very familiar with coping with the intensity of LSD to be thrust into the intensity of DMT. On the other hand, if you don't like DMT, you only have to hang on for a few minutes, whereas if you don't like LSD you have to hang on for several hours.
This is, of course, apart from the dosage, all subjective.
