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DMT as an introduction to psychedelics

the_ketaman

the_ketaman

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Ok well I live in a certain part of Australia where pretty much the only drugs youth use(not kids, like 18, sometimes often younger but I dont agree with that...but anyway youth in this case = 18-25 yr olds) are pot, speed, E pills and for the rich ones coke and the more daring ice but NO ONE does psychedelics. Whenever I meet someone who says theyve tried acid im gobsmacked coz its so rare. Im extremely experienced with psychedelics though because I have friends all over whereas my closest friends that I see nearly every day all live within walking distance so I kind of lead a double life lol but thats another story...

BUT...The reason there are no psychedelics around here is because people are terrified of them, if you take a trip you will never come out of it and be stuck in the trip for the rest of your life. You'll peel yourself, thinking your an orange, then juice yourself, pour into a cup, then you cant move or you'll spill the glass.

LOL that was a ramble :P

Anyway to the point. I do know one person that is trying to show people that psych's arent as bad as these people think and probably a lot safer than drinking every night, pilling and snorting speed every few days like they do.

Is a small dose of DMT, like no where near a breakthru dose a good introduction for someone because A. It doesnt last as long and B. you can sort or titrate the dose which you cant do accurately with acid or mushrooms. Also RC's are out of the question otherwise id say 2C-I but its too risky.

Can someone help me please???

And sorry I like the long questions because hopefully I get long answers...People tell me I talk to much but meh :P
 
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The aim is to get my friends used to the change of mind and hallucinations which obviously happen when tripping(but doesnt happen while on meth, pills, alcohol, weed or coke...theres a big, big difference), some people have expressed to me theyre scared of hallucinating but after a talk with them and not persuading at all(because im not into peer pressure shit, thats prolly how I fucked up years ago) but reassuring them they realized they were scared of nothing. They were scared of the fake rumours, scare tactics and stereotypes people had led them to believe over years and years.

So yer, if my friends do decide to try a psychedelic would a tiny dos of DMT be a good idea? BTW I wont be giving them the DMT, I might trip sit if they want me to but I despise drug dealers...like I love my dealer as a person but it makes me sad that money is always on his mind.

Anyway ive talked enough lol
 
i've introduced 2 people to psychs with a low dose of dmt and it works fine. both had pleasant, interesting experiences with dmt. be sure to warn them that it's going to take effect very quickly. those people were a bit surprised/scared at first because it started to effect them so fast. also make sure you get their smoking technique right.
 
DMT is a very good choice for first psychedelic. Starting with a low dosage would be wise, it should show your friends that there really is nothing to fear, since a low dosage isn't really even a trip, it's more like just an euphoric good feeling, something like coming up on MDMA.

Then you can gradually increase the dosage, then maybe go for oral journeys...
 
I gave my little brother a low dose of DMT for his first trip and he loved it, you would have to make sure they don't breakthrough, otherwise they might be turned off psychs forever.
 
It's a pretty good idea, however you NEED to make sure of your dose, a strong DMT experience would probably be absolutely terrifying for someone who hasn't tripped before. Probably start someone with 10-15 mg, that should produce definite effects but nothing intense enough to scare people away.

Good luck, the more people that are open to psychedelics the better.
 
I personally think DMT is too intense for first time trippers. While I think it is great, if I had never tripped before, it would have been too intense for a first time. My first couple of times were shrooms which I find to be a mild and pleasant intro. Although the physical effects i.e. nausea, etc can be worrying they are short lasting, the trip is just so peaceful.
 
DMT makes a great introduction in my experience. I've consistently found that giving a low dose of DMT at first is very effective. With each of my friends I've done this for, they immediately ask to try more, and the magic begins. I believe I've dosed two people so far that were altogether new to psychs, and I couldn't have asked for a more positive result.

I find that with skittish friends, one of the best things you can do is smoke it in their presence and let them observe. Enthusiasm is contagious, and I find it's very easy to infect others with it, especially if they see how much enjoyment you get out of DMT firsthand.

If I remember correctly from a past thread that asked what advice you would give to your past self at the beginning of your dealings with psychedelics, "Go straight to DMT." was a popular response.
 
low dose DMT was dissapointing in my mind, but i wouldnt give someone with no experience a breakthrough dose....
 
i think low dose is ok for an intro, but certainly not a breakthrough dose, that would freak the shit out of some people, though im sure some people could handle it, but it would horribly cruel to assume someone could. personally i think a low/medium dose of shroom/mescaline/acid is better. it allows the psychedelia to build. for me at least the first time on shrooms was in the top three most intense trips of my life. the first trip is an amazing experience and imo the slower building psychs allow for the person to bring back more from the experience.
 
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i think low dose is ok for an intro, but certainly not a breakthrough dose, that would freak the shit out of some people, though im sure some people could handle it, but it would horribly cruel to assume someone could. personally i think a low/medium dose of shroom/mescaline/acid is better. it allows the psychedelia to build. for me at least the first time on shrooms was in the top three most intense trips of my life. the first trip is an amazing experience and imo the slower building psychs allow for the person to bring back more from the experience.
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not as crule as giving them salvia....
 
Thanks for the great replies guys and yeah lol that would be extremely cruel giving someone salvia as their first trip, ive only done it a few times in the UK and id say it was a neutral experience, id do it again just out of curiousity because every trip on salvia was very different. But yeah that would scare the shit out of them lol

The main reason I dont want them to have acid as their first psych is the duration, its too long and if they dont enjoy it then they are basically in a world of hell for 8-12 hours, if they dont like the DMt(which im sure they will like it) then at least it doesnt last long and shouldnt cause too much trauma. Im thinking a 20mg dose...good idea?

BTW this will be my first time trying DMT too but im very experienced with psychedelics and im not too worried about it, but I do know that respect of the substance is a must and that its not a toy. Im thinking of doing 25mgfor my first try then go for a breakthrough a few hours later.
 
Low-dose would be a great introducton. They need enough to "feel" it- say about 10-20mg's, that usually gives a more euphoric high then anything.

That said, my first DMT experience was maybe 60mg's- not enough to breakthough, but I was tripping pretty hard....:)
 
Well, you don't have to wait for a few hours if you don't want to. Especially if you get excited to try a higher dose, DMT builds almost no tolerance. I've smoked back to back doses on a few occasions without any notice of tolerance.

Of course, if you feel like waiting, go for it. It's just that tolerance is not much of an issue.
 
My first experience with any psychedelic was a fairly high dose of DMT (I have no idea of the actual weight or anything, and I've only done DMT one time other than that, but I'm pretty sure it was close to a "breakthrough" dose) and I had a fantastic time. Definitely got me more interested in psychedelics, although I had been wanting to try LSD for a while before trying DMT anyway.
 
lol shld just give em a breakthru pure dmt experience

imagine the smile on their dials !@!!

afterwards of course
 
I would be interested to here where you live...

As a youth growing up in South East Melbourne, I was very lucky with the wide variety of access to psychedelics. This was mainly due to to a very close mate at school who was also interested in experimenting with these substances... we thought very alike. Unfortunately, he is no longer with us, as he died in a car accident only a week before his 18th birthday, RIP.

My "drug" timeline before I turned 18 would read something like this:

  • 15 - Marijuana
  • 16 - Ecstasy
  • 16 - DXM
  • 16 - LSD
  • 16 - Mushrooms
  • 16 - Speed
  • 16 - Ritalin (Methylphenidate)
  • 17 - DMT

Most of my other mates had quite a variety of experience with drugs, mainly from the club scene (which I loved also). Coke, Ecstasy, Speed.

I am 21 now. My first experience with DMT was a great one. I was already quite experienced with psychedelics at the time. I could see it being used as an introductory to psychedelics.

But then again I also think that there should be some tree of progression as far as drug use goes. (Marijuana, Ecstasy, Speed, Mushrooms, LSD, etc.), drugs like the 2c-X series, other RCs and DMT should be after that. This is just a preconceived idea I have, which maybe developed through ease of access to specific drug compared to others.

Personally, I like mushrooms above most drugs that I have tried, I think a reasonable dose of mushrooms would be a great introductory to psychedelics.

That's just my opinion.
 
All of the noobs have had pot, ketamine(very, very low doses probly cut with speed) meth, MDMA, coke and whatever other crap they put in pills.So nothing that remotely resembles a psychedelic experience. Others may think MDMA or ketamine are psychedelics or have psychedelic properties but I disagree. Even though I may have hallucinated on MDMA though I dont think I have, I was still not in the psychedelic headspace. And with K, well you trip on that I guess but its pretty hard to freak out and get scared on k.

I live near Sydney Maddux, its shit here, most people sell shit meth and shit pills though there are some cool ppl who sell good coke, pills and speed but I dont bother anymore unless im going raving. I want to get into spirituality, positive introspection and hopefully find out a lot more about myself as well as live psychedelic culture and lifestyle. your not allowed to tell someone to PM you on here(which is dumb) but id like a chat ay so add me as your friend ;)
 
If this is an intro and they plan to try other PDs

the_ketaman said:
Thanks for the great replies guys and yeah lol that would be extremely cruel giving someone salvia as their first trip, ive only done it a few times in the UK and id say it was a neutral experience, id do it again just out of curiousity because every trip on salvia was very different. But yeah that would scare the shit out of them lol

The main reason I dont want them to have acid as their first psych is the duration, its too long and if they dont enjoy it then they are basically in a world of hell for 8-12 hours, if they dont like the DMt(which im sure they will like it) then at least it doesnt last long and shouldnt cause too much trauma. Im thinking a 20mg dose...good idea?

BTW this will be my first time trying DMT too but im very experienced with psychedelics and im not too worried about it, but I do know that respect of the substance is a must and that its not a toy. Im thinking of doing 25mgfor my first try then go for a breakthrough a few hours later.
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then DMT is setting them up. Most PDs last hours and if you can't survive the trip and learn how to talk yourself back to a good place, then maybe this is not the drug for you. After starting with shrooms, I took some dot in anticipation of going to a concert (I had never tripped in public and wanted to know what I was facing) it was pretty intense and at a point where it could have turned bad, I remembered my friends advice. Just remind yourself, where you are, and that you are ok. I calmed down and ended taking a bit less at the show and had a great time. I think the short duration of DMT is not indicative of the normal PD experience and if someone really wants to know what it is like to trip you are doing them a disservice by starting them with DMT. If you can't hang, you should not ride.
 
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