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dizocilpine maleate questions

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Does anyone know the physical properties of (+)MK801 hydrogen maleate. I'm wondering if it can be vaporized or freebased and if so, what the vapor temperatures are for both forms. I was wondering if it's as stable as PCP? Can be smoked without being converted to a base. Also is it stable enough to remain suspended in water. I'd greatly appreciate any info.
 
I don't think the maleate salt can be vaporized - you'd have to turn it into the freebase first. Should be stable in solution. The structure doesn't look like it's susceptible to hydrolysis.

MK-801 sounds like a terrifying drug to me. Definitely post an experience report!
 
Considering how variable the sdose can be when you vapourize something, I def wouldn't be wanting to do that with MK-801. I know some people will be horrified by this, but for accuracy's sake, I'd stick with sterile solutions & syringes with this one (actually, I personally wouldn't touch MK-801 with a shitty stick, but you get my drift...)
 
does any1 know at what temerature vaporizes? the reason I ask is because I'm considering trying to prepare it for insuffilation for myself by cutting/diluting it to properly mix it. when I evaporate the h2o I don't want to burn away the mk801. Would it be safe under 350 deg F?
 
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Just mix with lactose or better, a bit of benzocaine, and add the dose of MK-801, and insufflate.

Please do report, if you stay sane afterwards , there are few reports on dizocil
 
ugghhh! Damn it, NVRmind. I doubt any experimentation will take place as last minute they caught me out. They were gonna send it out, but oddly I never recieved the tracking number, now all the sudden they want all these different contacts and I've run outta lies(this is getting way to expensive/complicated). O well... 'maybe' someday.
 
ehhh, I wouldn't be so quick to call it nasty. It hasn't been tested enough IMO to be dismissed. I mean, I love DXM. Nitrous is probably much nastier than anyother "disso" but people love it. Bottom line, maybe it's not as fun as other dissos like K or PCP or even DXM... maybe, but I'm sure it will still have it's uses. I mean people like torture drugs like salvia. So while it might be nice think of mk801 as nasty givin the fact that I'm having soooo much trouble trying to get it but I just dont think that's gonna be the case, atleast for me anyway.
 
"Nitrous is probab;y much nastier than anyother disso but people love"

Huh what? Pretty much every single person I know who has tried nitrous has enjoyed it a LOT. I can't say the same for Ketamine and DXM, for comparison.

But yeah MK-801 sounds like nasty shit, I mean i'd probably use it if someone gave me a dose (to satisfy my curiosity), but I won't be seeking it out anytime soon.
 
well coming from a person that loves all dissos, n2o while i do find it to be fun, it's not nearly as euphoric or amazing as the others. People love it cause it's a short/easy high, your statement doesnt mean anything. choosing n2o over K makes no sense if u like these types of drugs. NEway all i'm saying is there will probably be some that like it for what it is, not what it can be compared to. There no sense in arguing or dissmissing something we kno virtually nothing about. Maybe mk801 isnt any good, but from what I've seen thers mosdef not enuf info to come to that conclusively.
 
For all the people interested in this drug:

it's probably nearly impossible to acquire now. this is a good thing. there is no light there, nothing to learn, nothing to see. not only is the experience completely dysphoric, but the drug itself is very toxic - i injected it, and at every site i developed a deep abscess, golf ball sized, which had to be lanced and drained over a period of months. i have matching dimples in both biceps, concave areas where necrotic flesh was excised.

i firmly believe that dissociative drugs have the potential to awaken latent psychic abilities. mk-801 has the same potential, but it part of the downward spiral, the darkside. if you are experienced enough to know what is out there, you ought to know that some of it is bad, sick, corrupt and useless - mk-801 is just that. there are other dissociatives you can seek: memantine, dimemorfan, etc. go there instead.
 
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For all the people interested in this drug:

it's probably nearly impossible to acquire now. this is a good thing. there is no light there, nothing to learn, nothing to see. not only is the experience completely dysphoric, but the drug itself is very toxic - i injected it, and at every site i developed a deep abscess, golf ball sized, which had to be lanced and drained over a period of months. i have matching dimples in both biceps, concave areas where necrotic flesh was excised.

i firmly believe that dissociative drugs have the potential to awaken latent psychic abilities. mk-801 has the same potential, but it part of the downward spiral, the darkside. if you are experienced enough to know what is out there, you ought to know that some of it is bad, sick, corrupt and useless - mk-801 is just that. there are other dissociatives you can seek: memantine, dimemorfan, etc. go there instead.
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wow, your report on erowid is so interesting. did you have further trials with mk801? and have you experienced any lasting cognitive changes?
 
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dunno. personally, i think it was psychosomatic. it was just that bad.
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true as stranger things have occurred so tha is not without possibility

simply though i wonder if this was an overdose in a sense and if say 1/4 the administered dose would have been worthwhile

that is still very valid unless you prior had used smaller doses that did nothing and had been escalating up looking for an effect and in a gradual escalation encountered this nightmare
 
mk 801 is way-wrong drug: you don't know how much it affects you until after the event. DXM messes with short term memories, MK 801 erased them. i lost several hours - and the only trippy part came after I thought it was all over and I was back to normal (the TP dreams report on Erowid). it was never fun, and i had massive side effects. i started with microgram doses, but in the end, the stuff was gone and i had no idea what happened to it. most of the bad crazy dangerous things i've done in my life were at least fun. not this.

but who knows. your mileage may vary. it could be the wonder drug of the new millennium. 'ware, there be monsters.
 
I'm definitely coming to the opinion that dissociatives are not good for a healthy mind in the long run. As an occasional indulgence, thery may well help with things like fear of dying etc., but if you take them long term they stop revealing things about yourself and just confuse the fuck out of you. I've found that these days if I take ketamine, I end up making any giventask a lot more complicated than it should be - and ketamine is probably the best of the dissociatives in terms of mental & physical safety.; MK-801 is way down the list of the best dissociatives, probably bypassing all of the potentially useful stuff that ketamine does & just dropping you straight into confusion, pointless scary shit and eventually mental illness
 
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