Distal Clavicular Osteolysis

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I just got diagnosed with this after 2 sets of X-rays...I've been experiencing terrible shoulder pain near the trap area for 3 months accompanied with inflammation and a "clicking" sound coming from my left scapula...Obviously, this has put a huge stall on any heavy lfiting....I've yet to take ANY time off and have been avoiding barbells and any other movements that exacerbate this injury...

Does anyone have experience with this? Will I be able to do gear or will it just make everything worse?
 
I'm very familiar with it. I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer back in 1998. I had to have my right ovary removed and underwent radiation treatment and chemotherapy. I still have my left ovary but I do not produce enough testosterone nor progesterone so I am on HRT. I started lifting not long after my chemo treatments to help lose bodyfat and try to uplift my emotional state. I have two children - a daughter 14 years of age and a son 12 years of age. My diagnosis of ovarian cancer was made when I was 4 months pregnant with my son. I chose to keep my child and wait for treatment after giving birth. Because my two pregnancies were so close and I was mostly on bedrest because of risk from 2 miscarriages prior to my children, I gained a LOT of weight. So when I weighed 260lbs and needed a more positive change in life, I started powerlifting. I had a hard time losing bodyfat, very fatigued, depressed, and struggled to get into the gym to train overall. I kept at it and managed to drop about 40lbs in one year. My benchpress was decent for a girl at the time but certainly nothing to grab attention - 135lbs. I'm 5'4" and when I weighed 220lbs, 135lbs benchpress was a big feat for me. Of course, this was before I was put on HRT. Considering how the benchpress is the most popular lift in determining strength for most folks, I beat myself up to increase it. At the time, I didn't have anyone to coach me properly on how to CORRECTLY perform the lift to help protect the shoulders. So like most newbies and uneducated lifters, I flat-benched and touched high at my nipple-line when performing the lift. Little did I know that benching in that fashion damages the shoulders.

I experienced pain in my right shoulder that grew over time and a clicking that just wouldn't go away when I did certain movements. I had a hard time sleeping in certain positions and it depressed me terribly that I couldn't bench some evenings because the pain got so bad. After enough "bitching" to my physicians, my oncologist referred me to a very kind endocrinologist who put me on the HRT that I have been on since late 1999. My shoulder pain was diagnosed osteolysis of the distal clavicle through x-rays and bone scans. I was then referred to an orthopedic surgeon who unlike most surgeons, he took into consideration my medical history and recommended a good friend of his who is a well known powerlifter, but not someone I knew of at the time or familiar with since I was still new to the sport and drug-free at that point. He made this recommendation over doing surgery to resect my clavicle or shave off any acromion.

My coach taught me how to benchpress "correctly", my HRT helped to increase my bone mineral density that I had lost due to high estrogen levels and low testosterone/progesterone levels from the lack of working ovaries, bone loss that I had incurred due to radiation and chemo treatments, and I managed to avoid surgery and recover quite nicely in my shoulder. My best competition benchpress is 405 lbs. I regularly handle 225lbs for reps raw before I get in my bench shirt and jump to the mid 300lbs range for volume sets each week. My weight is 175-180lbs and I compete in the 181lbs weight class.

Although I have had a setback in the last couple years due to genetic polycystic kidney disease where the slow degradation of my kidneys at this age is quite common, I still lift as regularly as possible, manage to keep my bodyweight in the 175-180 range, bodyfat is around 15-18% depending on time of year, and my bench is still in the 350-400lbs range depending on how much I can bloat into my shirt. LOL!!! The good thing is, I am still in remission, my shoulders feel fine, I can still lift heavy and enjoy life regardless of the condition of my kidneys. My nephrologist, urologist, and oncologist are all in agreement that my gear use has provided me with more benefits and quality of life than without and that I probably wouldn't be here today if it weren't for it.

Sorry for the long dissertation, but my suggestion would be to give the shoulder a break for about a month or so. Take a look at the range of motion you have put the shoulder through to cause any wear and tear in the AC joint (i.e. shoulder presses, overhead presses, benchpresses, throwing movements, etc) and isolate those that cause the most pain. Reevaluate how you perform those movements and find ways to still get the work done without forcing so much stress on the AC joint. Like in my case, I was benching incorrectly - flat benching lowering the bar to the upper chest with elbows flared out is what cause the most damage to mine. I learned how to bench with an arch, isolate my shoulders so that they don't rotate forward, and use more muscle groups to perform the movement correctly. As far gear use? It should help increase bone mineral density, especially during recovery and repair.
 
wow fucking awesome post!!! and you're a chick!!! Thanks for the advice, problem is I CAN'T TAKE A MONTH OFF LET ALONE MORE THAN 2 DAYS!!!
 
wow fucking awesome post!!! and you're a chick!!! Thanks for the advice, problem is I CAN'T TAKE A MONTH OFF LET ALONE MORE THAN 2 DAYS!!!

do you mean you can't take a month off from lifting or from work?

If you mean from lifting you have three options 1) take the time off and see if the injury heals or 2) have surgery to get it repaired which is going to cause time off 3) don't do either of the above and cause yourself permanent injury that will cause you to not be able to lift properly or heavily ever again.

Point being, if you've got an injury, you need to give the body a break to let the injury heal or you risk permanent lifelong problems that could easily be avoided.
 
a month off of lifting...not psychologically ready....i've been smart about it and havent trained heavy in 3 months
 
No need to take a month off from lifting overall - just no direct work in movements that exacerbate the pain and problem. The time off I took for my shoulder was simply no overhead presses and I had to change my benchpress technique to avoid any and all acromion rubbing.
 
anyone know why women are predisposed to this..It's been 6 months...my shoulder still hurts and is inflamed....I have started to supplement with vitamin d3 and coral calcium in hopes of better calcium absorption
 
Predisposed to loss of bone mineral density? It's a combination of factors. For women who are menopausal and postmenopause, it's typically from imbalance in hormones (especially with concerns of estrogen levels), nutrition whereby most have a highly acidic diet leading to chronic low-grade metabolic acidosis, lack of critical nutrients in diet (vitamin D and K), unhealthy GI tract (sometimes from excessive or prolonged use of antacids) can lead to preventing adequate absorption of essential nutrients, and many other factors variable to the individual. There are so many reasons for this - but it would literally be a novel to name them all and the why's. LOL!

Have you had further tests and scans done to see if there might be other things going on with your shoulder? Keep in mind that your shoulder condition might be worsened or healing could be delayed by the way your training if you haven't let up on exercises that exacerbate it. Also, your doctor can do bloodwork to determine if you're experiencing any bone loss in general to see if there might be other underlying issues that are preventing the bone in your shoulder from remineralizing.
 
Predisposed to loss of bone mineral density? It's a combination of factors. For women who are menopausal and postmenopause, it's typically from imbalance in hormones (especially with concerns of estrogen levels), nutrition whereby most have a highly acidic diet leading to chronic low-grade metabolic acidosis, lack of critical nutrients in diet (vitamin D and K), unhealthy GI tract (sometimes from excessive or prolonged use of antacids) can lead to preventing adequate absorption of essential nutrients, and many other factors variable to the individual. There are so many reasons for this - but it would literally be a novel to name them all and the why's. LOL!

Have you had further tests and scans done to see if there might be other things going on with your shoulder? Keep in mind that your shoulder condition might be worsened or healing could be delayed by the way your training if you haven't let up on exercises that exacerbate it. Also, your doctor can do bloodwork to determine if you're experiencing any bone loss in general to see if there might be other underlying issues that are preventing the bone in your shoulder from remineralizing.

it just seems like all the online research i do states that its common in women bodybuilders....the pain has been here for exactly 4 months now....i'm still training too hard....i dont want to lose my precious muscle...right now its all i have...sadly
 
Predisposed to loss of bone mineral density? It's a combination of factors. For women who are menopausal and postmenopause, it's typically from imbalance in hormones (especially with concerns of estrogen levels), nutrition whereby most have a highly acidic diet leading to chronic low-grade metabolic acidosis, lack of critical nutrients in diet (vitamin D and K), unhealthy GI tract (sometimes from excessive or prolonged use of antacids) can lead to preventing adequate absorption of essential nutrients, and many other factors variable to the individual. There are so many reasons for this - but it would literally be a novel to name them all and the why's. LOL!

Have you had further tests and scans done to see if there might be other things going on with your shoulder? Keep in mind that your shoulder condition might be worsened or healing could be delayed by the way your training if you haven't let up on exercises that exacerbate it. Also, your doctor can do bloodwork to determine if you're experiencing any bone loss in general to see if there might be other underlying issues that are preventing the bone in your shoulder from remineralizing.


Were you and your husband at the Bros vs PRos deadlift challenge?
 
anyone else have this injury...going on 8 months now...really dont want surgery....
 
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