Dissociatives Dissio culture or lack thereof?!

[FuckinAcidMan]

Dissociative culture is watching an episode of the 1990's revival of The Outer Limits while so scrambled on dissociatives that you start to find connections between the absurd science fiction plot and your real life. It is all so incredibly seamless that you become convinced your life shares secret, hidden aspects of this episode of the outer limits. You wake up the next morning and realize you have nothing in common with a plot from a 1990's science fiction anthology program.


You go about your day and return home, do some more dissociatives, and throw on another episode of The Outer Limits, but this time, you won't let it get away from you, you know it's just a TV show, and doesn't have anything to do with your life outside of you enjoying this show after a long day. You start to melt into the couch and the pleasant absurdity of the at times silly and at times though provoking television show starts to seem like it's way too close to home in some key areas.

You forget you just had a similar experience the other night, and begin to find hidden clues and meanings that are wholly important to you and have relevant information that you must decode and bring back to the light for further examination. You comb through each episode looking for hidden clues and secrets, each one coming closer and closer to the ultimate epiphany that will tie all of this back into your real life story and journey.

You wake up again, realizing this all seems ridiculous, now mostly sober and surrounded by half legible notes regarding a half dozen or so episodes of The Outer Limits. There are actually some really interesting things written on the notes, but you know it doesn't matter because you'll never quite "get it like you had it right then."

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Give me enough of dissociatives and I’ll elaborate in fine details connections between bluelight, redlight and blacklight and how upcoming violetlight will, trough depths of K-hole suck in, and spit out all the best aspects of HR, sex and chemistry.

 

[CentipedeKarma]

Dan Carpenter wrote, "A Psychonaut's Guide to the Invisible Landscape: The Topograpy of the Psychedelic Experience," a book about the spirituality and psychedelia of DXM, and "Presents the psychedelic experience as an objective landscape that embodies the Other, rather than a subjective state of mind."

I never finished reading it, and left my copy back at my parents But I heard he ended up committing suicide...? Fucked up if true.
I don't remember it too well, since I mainly read it early 2021, but I do remember it being insanely poignant and made me rethink how I viewed DXM as a whole, if not temporarily.

On the other side, I've been trying to... Uh... How do I put this? "Make myself a 'Name' In the disso community"? Yea I guess. I make fucked up music based on Dissos, particularly DXM, and twist it with my sexuality to make fucked up sample-based "mashcore"/breakcore at it's roots.

I'd say Lily is as much of a disso pioneer as anyone else, though, especialy regarding Ketamine.

...We need more literature on Dissos, but that's just me.

 

[Esperighanto]

I haven't seen mention of Calvin Stevens or Vic Maddox for originally synthesizing ketamine and PCP respectively, though as far as I'm aware nobody's really made a big name for themselves as using them outside of Marcia Clark and John C. Lily, and for art I can't think of any other than glitch music wizard Mr. Bill, who also has a beautiful song named 2C-T-7.

 

[foodcrisis]

just remembered the band Beach House has a song that's the "cough syrup" remix.. they are pretty popular. that's not really their best song... the album Depression Cherry is my favorite. the second song on that is probably about tripping imo. there's actually a bunch of their stuff that i debate is about tripping or death. not really sure. The full album of Depression Cherry can be listened to on you tube if you are interested in trippy keyboard fronted with light guitar and female vocals.

 

[Didgital]

Matthew Perry?

Too soon?


Bad taste but right now culturally at least in the US, if you were to ask anyone off the street who they associate with ketamaine.

Matthew Perry.

Most people still don't really know what ketamine is.

 

[Viraldrome]

Most of them drown in tubs high on K too soon to be widely known

I was wondering if you (or anyone) could drop some names of other people who drowned on K I only found this guy who drowned in a bath tub

D. M. Turner - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Pretty crazy you made that post before Perry died. For better or worse he's the face of K for middle America now. I don't call the half lines of K bumps, I call them Bings now, for Chandler Bing, sorry. His only public statements on it were he claimed he didn't like it, he was a closeted user, I would guess other famous people who indulge are keeping it secret too. There is no advantage to publically admitting to drug use when you are famous, imagine what happens when Snoop or Willy Nelson gets pulled over by cops, or come back to America from overseas. Its putting a target on your back.

It's a difficult drug to really advocate for, has lots of side effects and behavioral deaths are the norm and its habit forming. I wouldn't even get it for a friend if they asked. LSD or shrooms i'd have no issues giving to friends because they wont get addicted, wreck their bladder and die. No drug is perfect and they all have downsides, but Ketamines are pretty serious. I love the shit but of all the drugs I use its the only one I don't think should be sold in a dispensary to anyone over 18.

 

[FuckinAcidMan]

Dissociative culture is one of escapism and dimmed but still present hope that if you can somehow find the right way "out" you'll be free at long last

It's forgetting to take care of yourself because you're preoccupied with ritualism and passion projects

It's working long hours, unpaid, trying to gather a unified theory of all existence and then realizing it's impossible but somehow not being the slightest bit discouraged

Dissociatives are weird and powerful tools, whenever I get away from using them I miss them very much but as I get older I am realizing that they might not necessarily have any "light at the end of the tunnel"

I don't think that they are as likely to generate spontaneous religious experiences as psychedelics but when they do it's just so... believable. I believe in god largely because of dissociative use after being agnostic for most of my life.

 

[Quasimoto]

Disso addict culture seems quite similar to heroin culture. Not the most entertaining type of personality when half of your time is spent nodding out in random places. I also think some disso addicts like to pretend the aren't similar to heroin addicts.

At a certain point you are no longer using a psychedelic, you are using narcotic drugs in the same manner as heroin.

 

[Quasimoto]

Dissociative culture is one of escapism and dimmed but still present hope that if you can somehow find the right way "out" you'll be free at long last

Well said. Personally I went through a period where I was addicted to psychedelics. It wasn't the actual drug I was addicted to, it was the escapism, which can form the utmost powerful psychological dependencies.

 

[CentipedeKarma]

Well said. Personally I went through a period where I was addicted to psychedelics. It wasn't the actual drug I was addicted to, it was the escapism, which can form the utmost powerful psychological dependencies.

Very real!! felt this . Mainly used dissos/psychs/ANYTHING because of ESCAPISM. i wanted to leave the real world temporarily to my fantastical world i envisioned, and to not deal with my parents when I lived with them (stupid counter-adjacent bullshit? idk)

At a certain point you are no longer using a psychedelic, you are using narcotic drugs I'm the same manner as heroin.

Well said!!

As a dissohead, i'd NEVER look down on my heroin/harder user friends, as that could ALSO be me, and it's just not good to have double standards regarding addiction, yknow?

 

[FuckinAcidMan]

Well said. Personally I went through a period where I was addicted to psychedelics. It wasn't the actual drug I was addicted to, it was the escapism, which can form the utmost powerful psychological dependencies.

Escapism is my longest running and most deeply ingrained addiction

Totally feel you

Would get up at 5 AM when I was in fourth and fifth grade to start reading science fiction books or mystery novels or whatever I found interesting and would use any opportunity where things slowed down as an excuse to just kind of zone out and go back to scanning chunks of text and turning pages

This was largely before I had access to the Internet whenever I wanted and didn't own a computer that was connected to the web. Was handed down a yellowing Dell office computer I dedicated to playing older PC CRPGs and RTS games. Didn't have a lot in the way of console based video games outside of an N64. Mind you this was in 2002, it wasn't like the N64 was blowing minds, I enjoyed the console as one would enjoy a session at an arcade. StarCraft and Warcraft 3 were my jam though. My at times overprotective and at other times staggeringly intuitive mother had always been wary of my ability to just leave reality when immersed in digital media, especially video games. Virtual worlds that are interactive, unlike films, don't really.... end. At least the games I preferred lol.

So yeah reading whatever book had drawn me in with textured settings and solid... Word scapes? Idk what the fuck the best way to describe them would be. Adjective heavy, morally ambiguous grim but amusing visions of potential futures were my favorite. I also enjoyed absurd sort of quick fire collections of short horror stories and mysteries. Humor and a crushing sense of undefined paranoia or anything along those lines in the right combination was always good. Anything that created weirdly relatable but still alien world to float through in my mental theater was honestly what got me through much of my grade school existence, at home and at school.

I obviously was a prime candidate for computer use disorder style behavior, but I have generally made a more pronounced effort as I've gotten older to avoid being "chronically online" or constantly playing video games. Honestly video games were a lifestyle addiction I thoroughly burnt out on between the ages of ~12-17 and I have never gotten back to the "play every day, binge for hours and hours" sort of VG habit that I had fallen into for those five or so years. Thank fuck haha it's a fairly unfulfilling past time for me when over done.


Music and doing visual art, plus having long conversations with friends, writing and of course reading (mostly via the computer but it's a good mix of like PDFs, scientific & philosophical articles and collections of digitized books ("ebook"sounds dumb idk why) I very much dislike losing hours scrolling mindlessly through social media or stupid YouTube videos, which unfortunately can creep up on you if you habitually shrink your scope of computer & web use down to like the same 2-3 social media platforms (counting YouTube as a SM platform)

Wow this ended up being long as fuck, muh bad.

I'm not blaming stimulants but they definitely smoothed out feeling perfectly normal hammering out this unnecessarily long post about my personal experiences

Anyway yeah. Escapism.