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Discussing drugs on the phone or by SMS

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WarChild

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Hi All

I'm always amused by the length that some dealers go to to not say anything on a phone or by text, whereas some really don't give a shit and say or type anything in detail including large orders and locations.

I've read some stuff in the alternative press claiming that in the US every phone call is screened looking for keywords or combinations of keywords such as 'kill president' 'bomb whitehouse' or whatever. I read that it was aimed at counter terrorism but no doubt it could easily track the drug trade too. Then again it would take some pretty impressive technology to be monitoring EVERY friggin call... hmm.. and voice recognition systems are still pretty average in my experience

My feeling has always been that if your phone is tapped you are pretty much allready fucked and its only a matter of time til something bad happens. Only bigtime dealers normally end up with a phone tap. Unless you stop right then and there. Trouble is most big dealers think they are invincible. I have one dealer who is so loose i have to laugh, and one who insists on everything in code.

A lot of the big dealers of the nineties where i live who all go busted or were killed used to not say anything and would meet in parks or open areas where they could not be heard. These were the top of the food chain guys, who have now had a tv series and books written about them. But they are all dead or in jail now.

I gotta say in the end i don't reckon it matters. Phone taps can't be used in court anyway. The cops aren't dumb an the codes aren't that hard to descipher - "yeah uh can i get two beers and one champagne?" or whatever.

My observation is that it is the dealers who get greedy that get caught. And those who like the stereotype and deal specifically to make money and be drug lords cause its cool get caught too. Better to stay small time, deal enough so your drugs are free and get a job to earn a real income.

WC
 
This isn't really suited to TDS, so I'm going to shuttle it off to DC.
 
most of the people I buy off of have throwaway pay-as-you-go phones so they dont usually code stuff. I mean we still dont make it obvious whats goin on (like "let me get X of Y for Z price" lol thats a no no) but its not like were using an enigma machine or anything
 
Everyone I've known in that business prefers code, or not quoting quantities/prices until you arrive. I wish I knew the laws better, but I assume their thinking is if a phone is submitted as evidence a good lawyer will get it thrown out w/o explicit discussion of drugs/deals. It makes sense - if you get picked up by the police for whatever reason and they check your phone, which they often will, whether it's a disposable Cricket phone or not, I could see incriminating messages as presenting some problems. Just a matter of eliminating vulnerabilities, as I see it. Even if you are strictly a customer it's a good idea to avoid hosting incriminating content on your phone. I delete everything b/c I worry I'll get picked up for something trite and they'll find something old to leverage against me or put me through pandemonium if I don't turn people in. I guess this is why it's always good to learn the laws (particularly the ones you violate).
 
motherofearth said:
Everyone I've known in that business prefers code, or not quoting quantities/prices until you arrive. I wish I knew the laws better, but I assume their thinking is if a phone is submitted as evidence a good lawyer will get it thrown out w/o explicit discussion of drugs/deals. It makes sense - if you get picked up by the police for whatever reason and they check your phone, which they often will, whether it's a disposable Cricket phone or not, I could see incriminating messages as presenting some problems. Just a matter of eliminating vulnerabilities, as I see it. Even if you are strictly a customer it's a good idea to avoid hosting incriminating content on your phone. I delete everything b/c I worry I'll get picked up for something trite and they'll find something old to leverage against me or put me through pandemonium if I don't turn people in. I guess this is why it's always good to learn the laws (particularly the ones you violate).
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Most, if not all mobile providers will be able to retrieve text messages for at least a few days after they are deleted from your phone. Also, your SIM card doesn't immediately erase a file once you delete it, it just frees up the space that was occupied by that message and lists it as available, re-usable space. That means that until that space is overwritten by new data, your old deleted file is still there and can be recovered with data recovery software. That's not to say it's fruitless to continue doing what you're doing (in fact, I mostly do the same), just that text messages can still be recovered after you delete them.
 
Are there any stories people have to share of persons being "busted" through small Internet purchases of legal "rc's"? I am wondering, what is the likelyhood of this occurring? Should a person, sticking with what's still considered legal in legislative circles, be concerned with allowing rc's to be shipped to an address that's got their name on it? How likely is it that this could lead to some type of legal recourse, lawful or otherwise?

If someone could link to me thread or other reading source on this (specifically about how ppl gennerally get into legal trouble typically) I would appreciate it.
 
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I usually avoid texting because as a previous poster said, these are usually recoverable.

I think using code is pretty pointless, as it wouldn't be hard to figure out what you're talking about. I usually just say 'come I come around?' or something like that, and make sure we have a usual spot already worked out that doesn't need to be mentioned on the phone.

I also agree that once your phone is tapped it's not looking good for you, but avoiding mentioning locations, names and stuff like that is easy, and it could just make it that little bit harder for you to be busted in the middle of a deal, which will provide them with real, usable evidence.
 
if i text my dudes all i ask is if they can hang out. actually, if i call them that's all i say too. however, i was an idiot when i was younger and used absolutely no discretion.
 
Don't police in the U.S. need a warrant to seize and search your phone? or is there some form of probable cause that allows searching/viewing cell phone?
I dont believe there is any harm in texting/talking about illegal things if your phone is never seized, i might be niave but i cant believe that the goverment is actually monitering all texts messages and calls thats just absolutly ridiculous and improbable.
 
I never use text messages when ordering drugs as even after they have been deleted the Filth can still access them.
Usually I just call and say hi mate you ok for a few beers and we both know what I mean.
 
if you have a phone on a fake name,you delete msg right after reading it,using code for location ,never specify the time in minute....and you throw your phone away when you feel there is to much heat....and they still caught you...you were already fucked, snitchy informant gave your name or and undercover got u live...and this will have nothing to do with your phone
 
I had one dope dealer who wouldn't text anything about drugs and wouldn't even talk about it on the phone, really. If he asked you anything at all on the phone, it'd be, "what you need?" and then you'd say "seven" or whatever and then he'd know you need seven bags.

I have a dope dealer know who just doesn't care, and you can text him anything, and you can call him and say anything... but, then again, he also changes his phone numbers quite often.

If it were me, and I was dealing, I don't know how I'd get about it. I mean, on the one hand, all those recorded phone conversations and text messages can be damning evidence in court, but, on the other hand, even if you don't say anything over the phone or in text message and the police set you up... they're going to find the fucking drugs on you and so who the fuck needs or cares about the phone conversations and text messages at that point?
 
I believe the enormity of the 'underground' drug culture, millions of texts and calls every day, will help all of us in the end. There are just way WAY more of us, people who enjoy drugs, than there are resources to fight it or try to contain it. Damn, every body I know is getting something or selling something every day.

The true situation of how the real majority lives would be seen if we could have EVERYONE's text messages about drugs printed out. They would wrap around the earth!! The pigs have lost. They just won't admit it.
 
Znegative said:
I find it funny when dealers have told me in the past to refer to a bundle as a "bomb" instead.. I mean, Jesus...
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One of my friends has recently been calling bundles "bombs" too. I just call them "a whole one" or "a full one" compared to the number of bags I want.

I always delete my incriminating text messages before possessing any drugs. I highly doubt that law enforcement will ever get a subpoena to my phone records so they can read my deleted texts, but if they ever did it would be my dealer that needs to worry, not me.
 
My guy uses 2 phones (burners) excluding the one that the runners use. I always just call and ask if I can come through and he will tell me to call when I get into the city he's in (10 min drive). When I call to let him know I'm close he always says "I'll text you a street" and within 3 minutes I'll know where it's going down. After this call he will 2 way walkie talkie (think old nextel phones) his runner and let him know the spot aswell. When I'm a minute or so away from the spot, I will call him for the last time and let him know I just pulled up and then he asks what I need and we work out a deal. Within the next 10 minutes tops I'll be all set.
 
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Tommyboy said:
One of my friends has recently been calling bundles "bombs" too. I just call them "a whole one" or "a full one" compared to the number of bags I want.

I always delete my incriminating text messages before possessing any drugs. I highly doubt that law enforcement will ever get a subpoena to my phone records so they can read my deleted texts, but if they ever did it would be my dealer that needs to worry, not me.
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Yeah, haha, I do the same thing with my texts. Unfortunately I've had some highly unprofessional dealers (who were addicts themselves), and they'd actually start saying things like "yo, I got this nice mexican dope, you gotta cook it though, know what I mean...oh and I'll give you a deal on a bundle". The worst is when they're on crack...
 
^ lmao yeah Ive gotten some calls like that "Aye man.. I really need some money..."

I dont really give a fuck at all though, no ones gonna read my texts lmao. Ive talked about QUITE a lot of shit that would have gotten federal attention if they had "keywords" or whatever... its just not gonna happen 8)


People get so paranoid over this shit lol, trust me all you need to do is look through my phone ONCE and you have enough evidence to put me away for 10+ years...

oh wait actually you dont, because if all they have on you is a message where you said "Im want to buy some dope" or whatever the fuck and nothing else, thats going to help them about as much as a dime bag that never had drugs in it.
 
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