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Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

beamers said:
No he is weak for trying to appease republicans in his ever futile quest for bipartisanship. It was solely added to get one or two republicans on the energy bill. Obama is incredibly weak and has bowed to lobbyists left right and centre. He cannot be called dumb though. He'd smoke Palin and McCain on any aptitude, civics or IQ test, that's for sure.

Also the difference is that Palin unequivocally claimed that drilling more and more was completely safe, in quote after quote and even mocked Biden for bringing up safety issues as needing discussion. That's the problem is the certainty in her stupidity that was so dangerous.
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Obama is weak for opening more offshore drilling.

Palin is stupid for suggesting more offshore drilling.

Just making sure I have this down right. 8)
 
About sums it up as far as I can tell, beamers, as always, makes another good point.
 
Unbreakable said:
According to this engineer there's no way we can ever stop this and it will eventually kill off the entirety of the world's oceans.
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Either way, looks like we won't have to worry about "peak oil" for a while... ;)
 
as horrible as this accident is.... engineers will figure out a way to cap the pipe that's spewing out the oil. It may take a little doing, but it's not an insurmountable problem. Cleaning up the mess afterward will take much more time and effort.
 
can someone explain to me why Obama is being criticised all over the place for allowing 'more offshore drilling', and how any of this is his fault?

people talk about offshore drilling as if it's some scary new thing.
 
Wow, who knew there were so many armchair petroleum engineers on bluelight.

While all the fingers get pointed at the well-capitalized firms and the government, I am more of the view that pretty much everyone who uses or derives benefit from petroleum bears part of the responsibility for this. The sheer volume of oil exploration, production, transportation -- all the upstream processes -- mean that accidents are bound to happen. No matter the regulations in place, or those which will realistically be implemented. Frankly I'm amazed that their frequency isn't greater. These disasters are the price we pay for modern day life, simple as that.

Do you drive? Travel? Do you type on a fucking plastic keyboard? Guess what makes all that possible: petroleum. Any guesses on what makes these things affordable? Abundant petroleum production. And guess what that means -- accidents like this from time to time. Sure, blame BP. Halliburton. Obama. Blame God for putting oil in the ground while you're at it. The fact is that it's people like you and me who create the demand for oil which makes it profitable for oil companies to produce, refine, and retail it's byproducts. Their revenue comes from you and me.

I can't get over all the second-guessing either. Accidents happen in every industry. To every person. And to anyone who thinks this wasn't an accident, well, you're special. Something like this will happen again someday, regardless of what we (realistically) do. Naturally they will occur in unfavorable circumstances -- Murphy's law.

Again:
Do you drive? Travel? Do you type on a fucking plastic keyboard? Then what room do you have to criticize? How many of you have renounced all connection with the benefits of petroleum consumption and actively lobbied against offshore drilling? Unless both of those criteria are met, it's just hypocrisy. Someone who lives in a mud hut and walks everywhere can complain, I'll listen to them with undivided attention. But face it, none of us lives in mud huts or walk everywhere. Even these fishing boats that everyone takes pity on: where do they think their goddamn fuel comes from?!

Hopefully we learn from our mistake this time and the same thing is prevented again, and the damage is contained as fast as possible. However I suspect such incidents are becoming more likely. The amount of offshore drilling is increasing. Offshore is where the huge untapped reservoirs remain. The proverbial low-hanging-fruit (land-based petroleum resources) has already been picked, and nowadays we need $600 million rigs that drill to 35,000' to find new oil supplies, and I'd venture that the increasing complexity of the operation means a higher probability for accidents.

Like I said, these disasters are the price we pay for modern day life. It doesn't mean we should embrace them, but we should at least accept that these accidents will happen and that each of us contributes to them just by the lifestyle that we choose.
 
After such a convincing indictment of my responsibility for this spill, I resort to the equally convincing Nuremberg defence. Flashy car advertisements told me to proudly display my upward mobility and buy a gas guzzler. What can I do, say "no"?

For your information, I am breatharian and type on a bamboo keyboard.
 
http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/animation_gulf_of_mexico_oil_s.html
Animation: Gulf of Mexico oil spill growth and movement

This animation of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill was created using actual overflight information and forecast models from the NOAA and Unified Command.

The red dot is the location of the Deepwater Horizon oil well, which exploded on April 20, releasing oil into the Gulf near the Louisiana coast that has yet to be contained. Eleven rig workers are missing and are presumed to have died in the explosion.

The animation begins Aprill 22, the day the first image of the spill via flyover was released.


Sea Turtles Washing Up On The Gulf Coast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSZRN3tSk5k&feature=player_embedded

Sadly, it's only just begun.


On April 28th the oil slick area was 75,000 km^2.

So it can be considered 4,166.66 km^2 a day.

The Gulf is about 600,000 km^2 in size.

It should take something like 144 days to cover the entire Gulf of Mexico.... Hopefully they stop it or something before so...
 
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cilosyb said:
Wow, who knew there were so many armchair petroleum engineers on bluelight.

While all the fingers get pointed at the well-capitalized firms and the government, I am more of the view that pretty much everyone who uses or derives benefit from petroleum bears part of the responsibility for this. The sheer volume of oil exploration, production, transportation -- all the upstream processes -- mean that accidents are bound to happen. No matter the regulations in place, or those which will realistically be implemented. Frankly I'm amazed that their frequency isn't greater. These disasters are the price we pay for modern day life, simple as that.

Do you drive? Travel? Do you type on a fucking plastic keyboard? Guess what makes all that possible: petroleum. Any guesses on what makes these things affordable? Abundant petroleum production. And guess what that means -- accidents like this from time to time. Sure, blame BP. Halliburton. Obama. Blame God for putting oil in the ground while you're at it. The fact is that it's people like you and me who create the demand for oil which makes it profitable for oil companies to produce, refine, and retail it's byproducts. Their revenue comes from you and me.

I can't get over all the second-guessing either. Accidents happen in every industry. To every person. And to anyone who thinks this wasn't an accident, well, you're special. Something like this will happen again someday, regardless of what we (realistically) do. Naturally they will occur in unfavorable circumstances -- Murphy's law.

Again:
Do you drive? Travel? Do you type on a fucking plastic keyboard? Then what room do you have to criticize? How many of you have renounced all connection with the benefits of petroleum consumption and actively lobbied against offshore drilling? Unless both of those criteria are met, it's just hypocrisy. Someone who lives in a mud hut and walks everywhere can complain, I'll listen to them with undivided attention. But face it, none of us lives in mud huts or walk everywhere. Even these fishing boats that everyone takes pity on: where do they think their goddamn fuel comes from?!

Hopefully we learn from our mistake this time and the same thing is prevented again, and the damage is contained as fast as possible. However I suspect such incidents are becoming more likely. The amount of offshore drilling is increasing. Offshore is where the huge untapped reservoirs remain. The proverbial low-hanging-fruit (land-based petroleum resources) has already been picked, and nowadays we need $600 million rigs that drill to 35,000' to find new oil supplies, and I'd venture that the increasing complexity of the operation means a higher probability for accidents.

Like I said, these disasters are the price we pay for modern day life. It doesn't mean we should embrace them, but we should at least accept that these accidents will happen and that each of us contributes to them just by the lifestyle that we choose.
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Eh.. No.

People keep spouting this drivel and it is simply not true. The profit margins on the oil companies are immense. BP didn't do everything in their power to make the well as safe as possible. We know this already. Blaming "society" is pretty dumb. If we all lived in yurts, sure, we'd have no man made oil spills. What kind of logic is that though? Oil can be retrieved without accidents. They just didn't want to spend the money to do it properly.

There is no sense in blaming anybody but BP and the other companies involved for this accident. They already rape us for profits. Don't let them shift the blame to us too.
 
Iran offers to help contain US oil spill
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=125303&sectionid=3510203


The National Iranian Drilling Company (NIDC) has offered to assist the US in efforts to prevent an ecological disaster caused by the spreading oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Following an explosion on a BP-operated oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico last month, at least 210,000 gallons (5,000 barrels) of crude oil are thought to be spilling into the water every day.

NIDC managing director Heidar Bahmani announced the firm's readiness to use its decades-long expertise to fight the oil slick, the company's public relations office told Press TV.

"Our oil industry experts in the field of drilling can contain the rig leakage in the Gulf of Mexico and prevent an ecological disaster in that part of the world," Bahmani said.

Overlooking the new US drive for slapping more UN sanctions on Iran over its civilian nuclear program, the company said that there is an urgent need for action to protect the nearby coasts from the advancing oil spill.

The governors of Alabama, Louisiana and Florida have reportedly called a state of emergency for fear of the oil slick's environmental and economic damages.

The disaster has also prompted the White House to ban oil drillings in new areas of the US coast until the British company explains the cause of the explosion that killed 11 employees and resulted in the oil spill.
 
Any of the BL ladies up for buttsecks in the shallows once the oil hits the beaches? FREE LUBE!!!! I'll be the piston you can be the cylinder.
 
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I just seen on FOX that fishermen who are losing EVERYTHING asked BP for jobs to help clean up the mess they made.....BP made up a very complicated waver form for the fishermen to sign saying if they gave them a job they couldn't SUE later for damages to their lively hood......

Some of these poor people cant even read and one brought it to the attention of a Fox reporter asking him to help him read it......The reporter said you would have to be a Harvard lawyer to understand the language.......Now BP said they are sorry.....Dirty low blow from BP....

capitalism. you cant beat it.

especially in a country where having more money means more justice.
 
Interview with survivor from the DH oil rig: http://www.marklevinshow.com/article.asp?id=1790422

Personal account of some leisure tuna fishermen, with photos and video: http://www.mudinmyblood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6104

By the looks of things, all layers of safety systems failed (and there are many, from what I understand?). Huge surge of methane gas from the well; power was shut off on rig to avoid sparking; backup generators kicked in; kaboom. At least that's the sequence of events from the above links. Why did the backup generators kick in?
 
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