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Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

what if they make a strong relief valve, but the entrance to the relief valve is a little weaker. pressure of oil forces open door to relief valve

what are the current main ideas?
 
I think the nation is uniformly appalled. However, it hasn't really effected most people so they give it a cursory think, maybe damn a few politicians or companies, and carry on with their day. Once the true devastation on a global scale actually takes place, we will see MAJOR action on many different levels. Since there is a very good chance that this stuff will sweep the east coast, go through Nova Scotia, then end up in the British Isles and the Baltic, Europe and Canada will probably be major players in the compensation game.

BP is going down hard. They just pwned themselves royally. The executives will probably profit somehow (because this is a sick world as of right now), but the company itself is finished.

The people of the gulf are in big trouble. Anyone who has their wealth stored in the natural environment of the area is about to lose everything. This means fishing and tourism for sure. Homes and businesses drawing their value from their proximity to the ocean will soon follow.

The impending global economic collapse just picked up major steam. An immense amount of wealth has been eliminated from the world. I liken it to the dust bowls effect on worsening the first Great Depression. Interesting that both events have been caused by human greed and abuse of the environment.

If you have money and you are cool (haters, please don't take this advice), buy value in other areas that produce shrimp. The price is about to go up a lot.

We're about to greatly advance our knowledge of how to deal with toxins in the environment.
could be a blessing in disguise. hopefully we'll be spurred to action. having just quit opies a few weeks ago, i know sometimes you gotta spur yourself 8(
 
I have a feeling this is the begining of the end. Maybe not for this generation, possibly the next. I had my good times on the beaches and in that incredible ocean. I hope that experience will be only spoke of in past tense. The ocean will be off limits to mankind and all the marine life will die..what is next ? They say that in 2011 the sea will turn to blood and it looks red from the air and it is only been a short period of time. And I do have qeustion if there is anyone who knows, Will that thing ever run out and how do they measure it. I s there at least an estimate of when it will dry up. My common sense tells me it can not be eternal ...... At least I don't think so...?
 
maybe a couple hellvacious hurricanes
What's going to happen if there's a major hurricane in the Gulf? I've seen the tide swell with storms 600 miles away, and hurricanes spin counterclockwise here, which is opposite to the Gulf Stream... Can't be good... I'm no expert, but wouldn't it force oil to make landfall, all over the Gulf, even in South Padre Island/Corpus Christi, where there was no effect expected due to the direction of the current in the Gulf stream?

This Atlantic season is expected to be another '05, you know because of GW and all... NOAA officially predicts 15-23 named storms, 3-7 MAJOR, you figure best case scenario, at LEAST ONE will come through the Gulf...
 
I have no idea what's going to happen if there is a major hurricane in the gulf. It worries me terribly.
Pull all of the oil farther out into the ocean? dump it ON to the gulf?
i don't know.
i don't know if anyone honestly knows.
 
why the fuck hasn't anyone hired Bill Nye the Science Guy to fix this?

Bill Nye said:
The idea now is to pump a fluid that will block the flow. In the oil field this fluid is often a special mixture whose molecules lock together when it’s under pressure. Oil drillers call it “mud.” It looks like mud, but there’s more to it.

The molecular lock-together feature of a fluid is called “dilatancy.” The classic dilatant fluid in our everyday experience is cornstarch mixed with a small amount of water. It’s goopy, until you slap it or shake it. It locks up and does not splatter at all. So it is with drilling mud.

British Petroleum (BP) has been pumping drilling mud into the Preventer plumbing for almost two days. It seems to have slowed the oil flow a little, but not enough.

The engineers, or at least the spokesmen for the engineers, said they plan a “junk shot.” The idea is to add bits of hard material to the mud. Traditionally, in the Texas oil field, drillers add cut-up car tires and old driving range golf balls. This “bridging” material sometimes helps the dilatant mud molecules lock up. The pipe is so big, and the flow so fast, that a golf ball isn’t really that big an object. It could easily jam against an edge or pipe joint– and that would be good. Looking at the BP executive’s faces, it doesn’t seem like this is going to work either.

Next, I expect engineers along with the Remotely Operated submarine Vehicle (ROV) drivers will cut some large portion of the top preventer off. The next pipe up the drill string is called the “riser,” and I imagine that’s what they’ll go after next. It’s big job because the material is a hard type of stainless steel. And, it’s a long way around the big pipe with a fancy saw and buffing grinder, especially when you’re doing it with a claw-fingered robot to work the material and grainy video to guide you.

After that, I hope the managers let go of the idea of trying to capture any more oil until the relief, or drilled-in-from-the-side, well is cut. I hope they put a cap or slug made from a few thousand tons of concrete on top. They could let it ooze very slowly for a few weeks, until they can get to the well casing or liner by coming in from the side. Drilling these relief wells will take a few months, because it’s, once again, miles down and hundreds of meters of solid rock.

About the rate of oil flow: there have been a great many questions about how much oil is flowing per day. At first, looking at satellite data, people thought it was about 5,000 barrels a day. A barrel is 42 gallons. So, it’s a great many gallons. (A “drum” is 55 gallons– another confusing feature of the old English system of units.) Well, it turns out most of the oil isn’t making it to the surface of the sea. It’s floating somewhere in between the sea floor and surface– a goopy mess for any living thing in the ocean.

I have some small experience in oil fields, or in the “oil patch.” I worked for a shipyard that built the world’s premier oil slick skimming boat. We had a machine derived from skimming technology that performed the seemingly trivial task of separating oil and water.

You might think it would be easy, but in nature, dust particles or plankton organisms (plankters) get covered with oil in such a way that they neither sink nor float. They’re neutrally buoyant. As small globs of oily goo, they clog up all kinds of plumbing– including the gills, fins, and wings of fish and birds.

This fundamental experience helped me explain to news anchors and viewers why there was such discrepancy between the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administrations satellite assessment of size of the spill compared with the measurement of the pipe gusher’s oil leak.

I hope BP takes this business very seriously. Any information they are not disclosing will come out one day when various employees or friends of employees reveal the true decision process. I remain concerned that the traditions of oil spills on land are too strongly influencing the procedures being developed on the bottom of the Gulf, an ecosystem people all over the world depend on.

We use a lot of energy. This disaster helps us recognize how complex or oil technology is, and how much can go wrong. Let’s learn from this, wean ourselves from oil, and change the world.
 
I have no idea what's going to happen if there is a major hurricane in the gulf. It worries me terribly.
Pull all of the oil farther out into the ocean? dump it ON to the gulf?
i don't know.
i don't know if anyone honestly knows.


It's an open question really. On one hand, an oil slick on the surface should actually reduce the intensity of a hurricane, on the other a dedicated storm surge could push the slick further inland into the marshes than it would otherwise have reached. The other big unknown is that the 2010 is shaping up to be the warmest on record and, as such, the Gulf is also warmer than average, which could lead to more intense storms.

Here's some good info, scroll down to 'oil spill resources'

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/show.html
 
H-kay, it's considerably more depressing than I'd initially figured

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1492

And, looking at the size of the surface slick against the size of a hurricane like Gustav, it wouldn't do shit to slow it down, it's probably just dump the lot onto land with a storm surge :(

gustavoil.jpg

Figure 1. A comparison of the size of 2008's Hurricane Gustav with the size of the Gulf oil spill. The spill is only about 60 miles in diameter, while a hurricane like Gustav is typically 400+ miles in diameter.
 
It will just take it inland .... people on the coast are fucked....I knew this would get worse and it will.... esp in Hurricane season....

According to USASpending.gov, BP has received more than $9 billion in defense contracts since 2000. Contracts with Veterans Affairs, Transportation, Commerce and other federal agencies total additional millions.

Pro Publica reports that the Environmental Protection Agency is considering a ban on BP getting government contracts:

Over the past 10 years, BP has paid tens of millions of dollars in fines and been implicated in four separate instances of criminal misconduct that could have prompted this far more serious action. Until now, the company’s executives and their lawyers have fended off such a penalty by promising that BP would change its ways. That strategy may no longer work.

The EPA issued a statement saying it could issue a ban after reviewing “the frequency and pattern of the incidents, corporate attitude both before and after the incidents, changes in policies, procedures, and practices.”

A total ban would not only cancel company contracts, but would prevent BP from drilling on federal land, including offshore sites.

The EPA had already been in talks with BP before the spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Agency officials confirmed to Pro Publica that the talks were suspended after the Gulf disaster.

See the BP relationship map here:

http://news.muckety.com/2010/05/28/bp-collects-billions-in-us-government-contracts/26301


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* Lawmaker calls worst U.S. spill "environmental crime"

* Next BP well containment option could take 4-7 days

* Only surer solution is relief well, two months away

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3019914420100530


The real money is in the use of dispersements.....
Disgusting how this situation is unfolding for the people around the GULF
You all are in my prayers....
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Re Hurricanes:
1.) The oil spill will not have any significant impact on a hurricane's intensity, whether it's major or minimal; there simply isn't enough of it.

2.) How a hurricane will affect the oil depends entirely on where one comes ashore--for the record, a tropical storm will be no less effective, especially if it's a large one. The worst-case scenario is a storm coming inland west of the spill, in which the storm's southerly winds on its eastern limb will drive oil ashore. The best-case scenario (and the one I think is more statistically likely) is a storm that tracks east of the spill, in which the prevailing winds will be offshore. A neutral case will be a hurricane or TS that tracks westward south of the spill; initial offshore northerly winds will turn around to the south (and onshore) as the storm passes.

3.) There's been talk of putting the government in charge of this instead of BP. I feel that would be a huge mistake; as long as BP is in charge, they can fuck it up and keep the blame (and they really don't care about anything other than their shareholders, who have famously short attention spans). Keep the pressure on BP to clean it up, but the Administration must keep its hands clean (and I'm sure his cabinet has echoed this advice).
 
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BP CEO Tony Hayward says "There are no Oil plumes"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h450SSldjIc2H9IswDj7vc-luPogD9G1GI5O3

22 mile Oil plume under Gulf nears Florida waters
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/05/new-giant-oil-plume-seen-in-gulf/1

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h450SSldjIc2H9IswDj7vc-luPogD9G1GI5O3

Its ridiculous they don't expect people to research what they say.......3 different universities says otherwise....But of course i trust BP over them.....

Atleast Obama does lol....shit you would too if they gave your compain money..... ;)
 
The reason is, there is no money to be made with a solution that simple.

Interesting unbreakable. I have thought that something sketchy has been going on from the beginning [this is America after all]. As twisted as it might be its almost inconceivable some bigwig is not sitting in his mahogany library sipping a scotch on the rocks. Reclining and rubbing his pudgy fingers together while dollar signs flood his vision. Maybe that happened a few weeks back. That is just normal business I suppose. Unless there was something happening from the inside but that is pretty normal to. It could be why Obama was really in Chicago and skipping the Memorial Day Affairs down in Arlington [one of the few presidents to do that btw]. His neighbors he was BBQ'ing with today were really Nalco execs. The plot thickens, just like the oil. :)

Nalco sees 40 million in profits
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSGE64G0LS20100517
peace.
seedless
 
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His neighbors he was BBQ'ing with today were really Nalco execs.

Is that your speculation or has this been confirmed?

Like Bill Nye said, they could have taken a massive hulk of concrete and just dropped it on top of the leak to slow it down. Instead, they are trying to capture the oil and save their precious well. Also, this dispersant bull shit is depressing. What is even the point of using it? Don't we want the oil on the surface to skim and burn?
 
H-kay, it's considerably more depressing than I'd initially figured

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1492

And, looking at the size of the surface slick against the size of a hurricane like Gustav, it wouldn't do shit to slow it down, it's probably just dump the lot onto land with a storm surge :(

gustavoil.jpg

Figure 1. A comparison of the size of 2008's Hurricane Gustav with the size of the Gulf oil spill. The spill is only about 60 miles in diameter, while a hurricane like Gustav is typically 400+ miles in diameter.
Poor Louisiana. That state has really gotten fucked in the past few years. First Hurricane Katrina, and now this oil spill. :(
 
Is that your speculation or has this been confirmed?

Like Bill Nye said, they could have taken a massive hulk of concrete and just dropped it on top of the leak to slow it down. Instead, they are trying to capture the oil and save their precious well. Also, this dispersant bull shit is depressing. What is even the point of using it? Don't we want the oil on the surface to skim and burn?

I know right.

Ultimately, a huge ass metal and concrete block, dumped on top of it, would stop this leak. Maybe with some sort of boosters/rockets on top, to thurst it into the seafloor and set it in place would make it a bit more effective too. Of course it would be HUGE, but it would cost NOTHING compared to how much they already would have spent. I really am shocked at how BP is handling this situation.
 
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