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melanchlic:i do agree with what u said.
secondly:if people think this thread is a joke then dont bloody well post in here.SO what if what has been said doesnt agree to your standards and morales.everyone is entitled to say what they want.if people want to have a winge its not yur place to shoot em down.there is a valid point to this thread and just coz not everyone agrees doesnt make em any less a human being.
get over your narrow mindedness and just coz someon eleses veiw is different you dont gotta shoot at em.
the general discussion of this thread has addressed what i wanted it to address and it is doing quiet well.so if you think its a worthless thread or pointless do urself a favour and spare everyone else the time and dont even reply.
back on topic.
 
wow how this thread has been hijacked into a homless people thread...
anyway I live in Newcastle and as a city it looks cleaner(post BHP) with developments poping up everywhere but the there are homeless people around still mind you a few recognised faces have dissapeared. There is this one guy though who usualy sleeps about half a bock away from here I feel realy sorry for this guy he doesn't talk to anyone wears realy tattered cloathing I think he wears the same stuff as when I first saw him a few years back his hair is one big matted dreadlock(all novacastrians know who he is). Anyhow what I can gather is that he is the most depressed man in this country you could say and I think he lives on the streets as a punnishment for somthing he did previously in life. I have offered him clothes ciggeretes food and I know many other people who have too he just will not accept anyones charity at all. I worry all the time I see him that he will get bashed or freeze in winter.
what can be done... NOTHING he doesn't hurt a soul and realy I don't mind him wandering around looking sad as he is harmless. I just wish he would go for a swim and change his clothes occasionaly.. Oh well
another one that freaked me out was when i was in south africa all these people don't realy beg for change as a living but they have to if they have no famly to suport themselves. I saw so many signs that went like
"please if you can help me I would like a job or just some work if not that some spare change would surfice" I think I ended up handing out a fair amount of change to these very normal looking people through pitty..
anyhow in summery.. what can be done that isn't realy with orginisations like mission australia and alike doing thier best. I think any australian can get some sort of payment if you try hard enough but these some of these people have pride and some are just plain ol smakies that are on a pension(sad I know)
 
Any Australian can get benefits, until they are breached for relatively minor mishaps. The following excerpt comes from ACOSS
The financial hardship caused by the social security penalty system has become more extensive with a rise in breaches for the 8 month period July 2000 to Feb 2001 up to 232,400 penalties. This translates to an estimated total of 349,100 penalties imposed on unemployed people for the 2000-01 year — a 33% rise on the penalties imposed in the previous year and a 189% increase in the number of penalties over the past three years from June 1998.
At the same time, the impact of the penalties on unemployed people has worsened. An increase in the requirements placed on unemployed people (4) has caused a substantial shift in the composition of breaches towards the higher penalties of between $678 to $1431 for Activity Test breaches from the lower penalties of between $301 to $372 for Administrative breaches. In the first eight months of the 2000-01 financial year (July 2000 – Feb 2001) there was a total of 166,485 Activity Test breach penalties compared with 177,759 for the whole of the 1999 – 2000 year. This translates into an annual Activity Test breach rate of 250,100 — a 33% increase on the previous 12 months and a 310% increase over the last three years.
Major gaps in the social security safety net have been created by this intensification of the breaching system. Over a six month period from September 2000 to February 2001, there were 17,703 third Activity Test breaches that result in an eight week non-payment period. This is already 4,056 more than the total for all of 1999-2000 and translates to an estimate of 35,406 for the full 2000-01 year — a 159% increase on the previous 12 months alone. These third breach penalties result in a person being without income for a period of eight weeks and are equivalent to a fine of $1,431. They create tremendous personal hardship and put additional pressure on families and community welfare agencies that are called on for support during the period of non-payment.
The research presented in this report shows that the most disadvantaged jobseekers — those who need high levels of support and assistance to enter the workforce — are being trapped in a "maze" of bureaucratic requirements and are suffering tremendous financial hardship as a result of the penalties they receive. Of great concern is that a significant number of the penalties are being imposed on the most vulnerable people in our society including:
homeless people,
people with mental illness;
jobseekers with drug and alcohol related problems;
people with literacy and numeracy problems;
people who have acquired brain injuries; (5)
young people; and
Indigenous Australians.
This paper estimates that a total of $258.8 million in penalties will have been imposed on unemployed people during 2000-01. This amount represents a cost to the individuals penalised, their families and also the broader community that is called on to provide additional support during periods of reduced or no payment. While this amount is also a "saving" to the Government, it comes at the cost of tremendous hardship and increased poverty among unemployed people, as well as the extra cost that is passed on to charities and community welfare agencies.
The penalties applied to unemployed people are not imposed as a result of fraud, yet they exceed some penalties in the criminal system. They are disproportionate and unjustifiably harsh compared to those applied by Magistrate Courts for criminal convictions. For example, Daryl Somers recently received a fine of $600 for drink driving while double the legal limit — yet unemployed adults face penalties imposed by administrative officials of between $837 and $1,431 for such breaches as "failure to attend an appointment".
Centrelink staff who impose penalties do not have to meet the same legal safeguards and standards as those that exist for criminal matters. For instance, the onus of proof is much lower to impose a breach penalty. Our research has found that penalties are often imposed without even seeking a "reasonable excuse" from the unemployed person. To have a penalty overturned and their payment reinstated, social security recipients must prove their innocence at the same time as facing a period of tremendous financial hardship that sometimes results in their inability to continue to pay rent and in becoming homeless. If the person is then successful in their appeal, the restoration of payments may not be enough to return that person to the same situation — financial, housing and otherwise — they were in before the penalty was applied.
That between February 2000 and February 2001, there has been a 66% increase in the number of breaches recommended by the Job Network. Whilst not all of these are applied by Centrelink, there has nevertheless been a 45% increase in the number of Job Network recommended breaches that are applied by Centrelink. Overall, there has been a significant increase — from 21% in 98-99 to 39% in 00-01 — in the number of Job Network recommended breaches as a proportion of all breaches.
That, the introduction of automatic referral systems by Centrelink for referring unemployed people to both "Work for the Dole" programs and Job Search Training courses with Job Network providers, has resulted in a significant increase in the number of breaches related to these programs.
 
Wow ppl a topic worthy of bitching about... valid points too.
Only thoughts I wanna add is compassion is the key. Albeit niave... it still works wonders.
dru
 
Originally posted by *starfalls69*:

secondly:if people think this thread is a joke then dont bloody well post in here.SO what if what has been said doesnt agree to your standards and morales.everyone is entitled to say what they want.if people want to have a winge its not yur place to shoot em down.there is a valid point to this thread and just coz not everyone agrees doesnt make em any less a human being.
get over your narrow mindedness and just coz someon eleses veiw is different you dont gotta shoot at em.
the general discussion of this thread has addressed what i wanted it to address and it is doing quiet well.so if you think its a worthless thread or pointless do urself a favour and spare everyone else the time and dont even reply.
back on topic.

Re-read my post.... i was actually siding towards you...
 
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