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Differences between American and European drug culture

NerdOnDrugs

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Okay, to get this out of the way, the most obvious trend is that you Euro's like mixing your tobacco with your hash/weed. In America, if you brought that upon someone out of the blue, we'd all think "what the fuck is wrong with you?".

It'd be interesting if we could keep adding to this... especially people who have spent time in both regions and experienced both, in whatever drug subculture it was. Broad generalizations welcome too as this is a broad topic.

So just add on if you want. And please feel free to take cheap shots at the US and vice versa on you Euro-trash because it's gonna happen, just don't get easily offended. And I guess you Kangaroo's get to count as Europe.
 
Here in Hungary, only Ritalin can be prescribed as a stimulant for ADHD (and as far as I know, nothing for ADD). Sometimes it is very had to get by a good stimulant. The USA is also closer to the great cocaine producing companies. As in culture? You don't hear all that much about uppers around universities, even.
 
Europes governments are less under the influence of corporate restrictions. For instance, tianeptine, moclobemide (I think thats how to spell it), and amineptine aren't available in the United States despite each having unique benefits, based on nebulous claims of safety.

If the United States government was so concerned about abuse alprazolam wouldn't be the most prescribed psychiatric medication there. In fact, this gives me an idea for a thread...
 
NerdOnDrugs said:
Okay, to get this out of the way, the most obvious trend is that you Euro's like mixing your tobacco with your hash/weed. In America, if you brought that upon someone out of the blue, we'd all think "what the fuck is wrong with you?".
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meh, i'm american and have true loyalty to the spliff. i've at least a couple friends who adore them likewise.

our europals have street amphets, and we don't have any of that here. and in general bath salts/rc stims i would venture a guess to say are more popular over there, and fill in the void from having less/not as good meth as the USA.
 
SirTophamHat said:
meh, i'm american and have true loyalty to the spliff. i've at least a couple friends who adore them likewise.
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Well you're definitely an outlier. Just curious, are u and your crew into the whole hand rolled tobacco thing, even without weed? Are you a hippie lookin type, if someone saw you?

It's just that when I hear "spliff" from an American, that's the type I usually hear it from. So just curious if you bust the stereotype.
 
I roll spliffs until I'm out of weed, then I'll have a few rolled cigs per day (average) until I find weed. Then it's straight spliffs again. My best spliff smoking partner buddy empties out camels into his spliffs.

Do I look like a hippie? Dunno about that... I shave my head and don't wear hemp.
 
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Survival0200 said:
Americans actually USE drugs - we don't! ;) =D

Well, seriously, when it comes to prescription drug abuse; Americans are light years ahead of us Europeans.
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Seconded , the whole hydro/oxycontin thing is inexistant here , cheap quality heroin makes it impossible for a pharm market to exist (at the least in the netherlands)
 
NerdOnDrugs said:
Okay, to get this out of the way, the most obvious trend is that you Euro's like mixing your tobacco with your hash/weed. In America, if you brought that upon someone out of the blue, we'd all think "what the fuck is wrong with you?".

It'd be interesting if we could keep adding to this... especially people who have spent time in both regions and experienced both, in whatever drug subculture it was. Broad generalizations welcome too as this is a broad topic.

So just add on if you want. And please feel free to take cheap shots at the US and vice versa on you Euro-trash because it's gonna happen, just don't get easily offended. And I guess you Kangaroo's get to count as Europe.
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I add tobacco to my joints when I roll them and I am an American and its not something I learned from a European. I also know lots of others who do too. Why is that so strange to you? Have you ever tried it?

And I am very far from looking like I hippie...I think your perception is off.
 
The difference might be that 'Europe' isn't a country and we all have different drug cultures ;)

But as far as France and the UK go, since those are the two I've lived in, we don't get proper prescriptions neaaaaarly as easily as you Americans...I feel like they'll just hand out opiates to you guys for absoltuely anything, it's so unfair. Even for cancer treatment strong opiates aren't a guarantee at all here.
 
The funny thing is that I feel like I could spend a small amount of money and get a psychiatrist who would prescribe me anything I want but the really expensive psychiatrists have so many safeguards against addiction that they hurt their patients, even if said patient has demonstrated time and again that they won't abuse their medication.

I respect the opinions of others, but I wouldn't take opiates anyways. Shit class of drug imo; turns me into a female sexual organ.

If I got cancer I would probably smoke all day and take pregabalin/gabapentin.
 
^Hahaha wow. Gotta respect your individuality, specially when it's so humorous to me.


Most americans I know think it's nuts to add tobacco to weed. They act as if the addition is 'dirty' and takes away from their precious weed. Though it is a common combo, the sorta 'taboo perception' is definitely out there in America. Personally, I think joints/blunts are wastefull when it comes to weed. I'll only smoke a joint if I have tobacco to add to kind of add a 'cut' to dilute the waste factor. Makes it burn much smoother/slower and definitely isn't nearly as much of a waste. I'm all for vaporizing one hits of top grade bud typically.

I typically don't smoke tobacco either... only on the occasion when I feel like having the novelty of a hand rolled smoke with my weed. As for gabapentin and related things: I currently take kratom for back pains. Things have gotten worse and kratom just does not cut it anymore. I've really been looking into gabapentin and such to treat this. If I'm ever going to do physical therapy and get healthy I need some pharmacological agent for this, and opioids/opiates don't seem like the best option for temporary treatment. I've even been given opiates from friends and they don't help with my pain too much. I can take enough (with decent tolerance) to get high and my back will still bother me some. Same thing when I tried methadone. Opioids in general just dont seem too effective for my particular pain. Anyways... not to derail the thread. I've just had a lot of kava. Which also seems more effective for me than opioids (only with DHM rich varieties).
 
BingeBoy said:
Seconded , the whole hydro/oxycontin thing is inexistant here , cheap quality heroin makes it impossible for a pharm market to exist (at the least in the netherlands)
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Unfortunately, the only way to get hold of Oxycontin here is if someone has raided a drug cabinet of someone seriously ill. i.e. got it for free. There's no business culture for it here.
 
missmeyet? said:
I add tobacco to my joints when I roll them and I am an American and its not something I learned from a European. I also know lots of others who do too. Why is that so strange to you? Have you ever tried it?

And I am very far from looking like I hippie...I think your perception is off.
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Yeah I've tried it, just ruins the whole joint for me. Weed tastes good smoked and inhaled deeply, and with baccy.. I guess people acquire a good taste for it... but God created weed and baccy separately, it's an abomination!

I could see it being used as a cost saving measure, but in the North East if the word spliff is in your vocab you're probably trying to grow dreds too. Maybe it's more prevalent in the Midwest and South idk..
 
Professer said:
^Hahaha wow. Gotta respect your individuality, specially when it's so humorous to me.


Most americans I know think it's nuts to add tobacco to weed. They act as if the addition is 'dirty' and takes away from their precious weed. Though it is a common combo, the sorta 'taboo perception' is definitely out there in America. Personally, I think joints/blunts are wastefull when it comes to weed. I'll only smoke a joint if I have tobacco to add to kind of add a 'cut' to dilute the waste factor. Makes it burn much smoother/slower and definitely isn't nearly as much of a waste. I'm all for vaporizing one hits of top grade bud typically.

I typically don't smoke tobacco either... only on the occasion when I feel like having the novelty of a hand rolled smoke with my weed. As for gabapentin and related things: I currently take kratom for back pains. Things have gotten worse and kratom just does not cut it anymore. I've really been looking into gabapentin and such to treat this. If I'm ever going to do physical therapy and get healthy I need some pharmacological agent for this, and opioids/opiates don't seem like the best option for temporary treatment. I've even been given opiates from friends and they don't help with my pain too much. I can take enough (with decent tolerance) to get high and my back will still bother me some. Same thing when I tried methadone. Opioids in general just dont seem too effective for my particular pain. Anyways... not to derail the thread. I've just had a lot of kava. Which also seems more effective for me than opioids (only with DHM rich varieties).
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I agree with you that joints waste abit of weed, but when i smoked i absolutly loved joints. Hitting the bong and the pipe would have me high for half an hour at best, whereas smoking a good size g .7-1g of high grade green would have me high for like an hour, sometimes more. Joints are easier on on my lungs too for some reason. TOugh bongs can really help get the best of that first hit taste of good fruity weed :). I hate tobacco in weed and fint it disgusting. I smoke cigs btw, i jsut find they fuck up the taste and give a dirtier high when combined with weed.

You dont need tobacco to make a joint burn good. I used RAW or OCB papers and would roll a joint that burned slow and never sideburned. Not too loose, not too thight. I have to admit when i went to europe, a guy I befriended is like lets smoke up, proceeds to roll .1 with half a cig. I was like no thanks im gonna roll my own joint fuck that. THe only times i mixed with tobacco was when i had like .2 or .3 and wanted an ok joint, didnt have a piece, so i added like 5mm of a cig. Good lcuk with your pain management!
 
It is funny because I have always been under the impression that American's didn't typically mix weed and tobacco under any circumstances, based on all the opinions I have read online. However, my real life experience totally contradicts this. I travelled Europe a bit last year and was staying in hostels, so meeting heaps of people from heaps of different places, I smoked quite a bit of weed with a lot of people, including American's, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them would add tobacco to their weed before rolling a joint, without exception, and I am talking people from Cali to NYC and a heap of places in between. It could of been a case of when in Rome, but I don't think so, if you don't like the taste or feel of smoking a spliff it doesn't magically change based on geographic location. I guess travelling American's are probably a bit more likely to be exposed to this way of smoking and that is why those who travel are more likely to adopt the practise, but I just found it interesting that all the American smokers I met mix when I have read years and years of anti tobacco+weed sentiments coming from countless American's.

I have never been to America but I would say the biggest differences between US and Euro drug scenes would be prescription drug abuse (particularly opiates) and the availability of meth in the US compared to amphetamine sulphlate in Europe (western Europe anyway).
 
drug_mentor said:
It is funny because I have always been under the impression that American's didn't typically mix weed and tobacco under any circumstances, based on all the opinions I have read online. However, my real life experience totally contradicts this. I travelled Europe a bit last year and was staying in hostels, so meeting heaps of people from heaps of different places, I smoked quite a bit of weed with a lot of people, including American's, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them would add tobacco to their weed before rolling a joint, without exception, and I am talking people from Cali to NYC and a heap of places in between. It could of been a case of when in Rome, but I don't think so, if you don't like the taste or feel of smoking a spliff it doesn't magically change based on geographic location. I guess travelling American's are probably a bit more likely to be exposed to this way of smoking and that is why those who travel are more likely to adopt the practise, but I just found it interesting that all the American smokers I met mix when I have read years and years of anti tobacco+weed sentiments coming from countless American's.

I have never been to America but I would say the biggest differences between US and Euro drug scenes would be prescription drug abuse (particularly opiates) and the availability of meth in the US compared to amphetamine sulphlate in Europe (western Europe anyway).
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Shit that surprises me. I didnt go to US recently but in canada its quite tricky, almost everyone in the suburbs smokes fat,short and tobacoless joints, whereas in the bigger citys like montreal for example most people add tobacco and roll in king size papers. I roll without baccy and just roll so it burns and smokes good. I agree with Americans, though fuck weed mixed with tobacco. I can still stand it if its in a joitn,, but in a bong its just straight nasty. I loved to smoke a cig after a joint though
 
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