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Coolie High

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Hey...please only respond if you're going to be serious and not do any flaming as I'm honestly seeking help..
Well , I've been " the fat kid " pretty much all my life. This has made life a living hell for me. I have trouble meetings girls, being happy, etc. If there were one thing I would change about myself it would be my weight. I've dieted time and time again only to fail time and time again. It seems like no matter what I do if I don't see results right away I just give up. I feel like I've given up so much of my life , and missed so many oppurtunities due to my appearance. Right now, I stand around 5'10 and weigh about 265.
This New Years I experienced something for the first time...cocaine. This is the first speedy drug I've ever done, besides kid's shit like ritalin. While I was coked up my friend began to tell me that when he did coke a few times a week a couple years ago people were mentioning to him that he looked thinner. So immediately you know what I was thinking....
I've been thinking of decreasing the amount I eat somewhat and using a "speedy" drug to drop some lbs. Let me first say that I don't feel in any way I have an addictive personality nor have I ever had cravings for any drug. I feel I am very intelligent/responsible, especially for my age.
So I have a few questions that I would really appreciate if any knowledgable ppl would answer.
1) What drug would best suit me? I would much prefer coke as I don't have a meth hook up right now. Meth ? Coke?
2) I heard about some kind of speed that can be legally prescribed by a doctor for weight loss. Do any of you know how it would compare to coke or meth? Also, how willing are doctors to prescribe it?
3) Would it be possible for me to use these things on a regular basis w/ out developing an addiction I can't beat?
4) How often would I have to use these things for for them to significantly effect weight loss?
5) In what amounts?
Please don't give me any stupid responses like " just diet and excercise, fat motherfucker"
This is somthing I'm really considering doing and I'd appreciate all the help I can get.
Thank You
 
Maybe you should get some adderall- my weight went off so fast on this and was very visible in less than a month. I would take 20mg twice a day if I were you. I really think this would be better than coke because it is longer acting.
 
I would not recommend either meth, coke, or even adderall for weight loss. Especially coke would be bad (quite cardiotoxic with regular use). Meth on the the other is neurotoxic, so are amphetamines...and addiction and tolerance will be real bitches.
I suggest getting a dr to prescribe (if not possible you can get the following online fairly easily; look around):
phentermine
or
meridia (sibutramine)
I'm guessing these are what your friend meant.
Both of these are weight loss medications that have FAR fewer side effects and health problems than regular use of coke, meth, etc. They won't get you high though -- but then there is no way to get high and have it be totally safe and free of detrimental effects to your health.
Also, the antidepressants Wellbutrin and Effexor can help people lose weight (I lost 10 lbs in two weeks on Effexor..and kept it off).
All of the above work by suppressing appetite.
If you do decide to use drugs to help you lose weight, I strongly recommend exercising as well. You will see the strongest improvement this way.
So, those are my suggestions. Good luck!
 
I'm sure you know this, I'm sure everyone knows this, but I'll say it again (for the sake of HM):
DIETING WITH DRUGS (WHETHER THEY ARE LEGAL OR NOT) IS A QUICK FIX AND YOU WILL EVENTUALLY PUT THE WEIGHT BACK ON, AND MORE.
Very little people are an exception to this.
I know that's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.
The only way you can achieve weight loss if via healthy eating and regular exercise. This requires a change in lifestyle- and one that you must keep for the rest of your life.
Now for the answers you are after:
1) What drug would best suit me? I would much prefer coke as I don't have a meth hook up right now. Meth ? Coke?
Coke will get very expensive. Very. Regular usage (I'm guessing you will be railing) will cause irreversible damage to the inside of your nose.
Of the two, Meth is the best solution, and I recommend that you swallow it.
2) I heard about some kind of speed that can be legally prescribed by a doctor for weight loss. Do any of you know how it would compare to coke or meth? Also, how willing are doctors to prescribe it?
There are only 3 legally prescribed diet pills available in Australia, I'm assuming you are not from around here as you displayed your weight in pounds (we usually say kilograms here).
Phentermine Phentermine Homepage) is what you are after, I think. It's a legal stimulant/ amphetamine, if you like. It's an appetite suppressant.
The newest drug on the market is Xenical (Xenical Homepage). These pills promote lifestyle changes and teaches you how to eat better. If you consume too much fat, it is excreted via your butt. It isn’t pretty and there is no way you can abuse this stuff. I think it's brilliant, but it is NOT an appetite suppressant.
*Do you over-indulge? Is that your problem or are you naturally heavy set?
Regardless, do some research, there's a world of information out there.
3) Would it be possible for me to use these things on a regular basis w/ out developing an addiction I can't beat?
Short answer, No.
In my opinion, the most probable scenario is this-you may find that you are not addicted until you begin to gain weight after you stop using.
You will go back on it to just -lose the weight that you've put on- and I guarantee you that you will see your self stuck in a very fucking vicious cycle eventually.
4) How often would I have to use these things for them to significantly effect weight loss?
5) In what amounts?
Almost daily for continuous weight loss, and how much you use will be however much it takes for you to feel its effects. I can't accurately answer this question for you as I don't personally know you.
But the effects will wear off and you will either find your tolerance will go up and you will have to use more drugs more frequently as time goes on.
I would seriously think about it before you resort to drugs, illegal or not.
Best of luck.
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Originally posted by PiLLcrazZzeD:
Maybe you should get some adderall- my weight went off so fast on this and was very visible in less than a month. I would take 20mg twice a day if I were you. I really think this would be better than coke because it is longer acting.
It seems to me like this would be my best bet. Can I tell my Dr. I want it to lose weight, or is there something else I would need to say. Is adderal just for add?
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Originally posted by special-k:
I'm sure you know this, I'm sure everyone knows this, but I'll say it again (for the sake of HM):
DIETING WITH DRUGS (WHETHER THEY ARE LEGAL OR NOT) IS A QUICK FIX AND YOU WILL EVENTUALLY PUT THE WEIGHT BACK ON, AND MORE.
Very little people are an exception to this.
I know that's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.
The only way you can achieve weight loss if via healthy eating and regular exercise. This requires a change in lifestyle- and one that you must keep for the rest of your life.
Now for the answers you are after:
Almost daily for continuous weight loss, and how much you use will be however much it takes for you to feel its effects. I can't accurately answer this question for you as I don't personally know you.
But the effects will wear off and you will either find your tolerance will go up and you will have to use more drugs more frequently as time goes on.
I would seriously think about it before you resort to drugs, illegal or not.
Best of luck.
First off, thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions.
Like I said earlier, the biggest reason I can't stick to a diet plan is because it seems like it takes forever to see results. I think that after I lost the weight I needed to lose I could start eating better and excercising, while slowly inreasing cals so as to not gain the weight back.
Do you think that's something I could realistically do?
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Most welcome :)
Seriously though, I can't begin to tell you how many times i've heard that said.
It never works.
You will quickly get back into your old habbits and gain the weight once again... :\
As for seeing quick results, you just have to persist and keep at it. Granted you will reach a plateau at some stage but you just have to work through it.
The first 10kgs will melt off when you start your 'diet', and instead of complaining it's not enough, look at it as incentive to continue.
Nothing comes easy. harsh, but true.
 
What fairynymph said.
special-k - you're being a bit prejudiced. While I completely agree that the only way to maintain a stable, lowered weight is through reduced food intake with regular exercise, it can be difficult to get started for some people, basically because the fatter you are, the less efficient you use energy.
It is because lean muscle mass uses much more energy than fat does, plus you have a much greater volume to surface area ratio; thus a person with less fat will burn much more energy than similarly weighed person with a higher fat percentage.
So it is fair enough to use drugs to get started if you're having real trouble, the general recommendation is no more than six weeks for the amphetamine based drug.
There is new drug availble in Australia called Reductil (it's an serotonin noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor - found during research for new antidepressants. The patients didn't get happier, but they lost weight!) only on private scripts, and should be availble in most first world countries as well. It's generally quite safe, and can be taken over the long term, but you cannot take antidepressants concurrently (if you ever happen to need them) plus is still expensive. Effexor is similar, but its generally only prescribed for depression - you may need your doc to do some "creative" diagnosis.
So use the drugs to give yourself a kick start, but a healthy diet (frequent small meals with lots of vegetables so you feel full, do your own shopping with healthy snacks lying around rather than chips, etc etc.. plenty of info around), plus exercise, including muscle building exercises (because muscle burns more energy and raises your basal metabolic rate, thus helping you in the long term) is what is required in the long term.
Drinking coffee also helps - just not too much! About 3 - 4 cups a day at most - don't add sugar, and none after 3 pm so you can sleep properly.
About 1 kg a week max is about right. It's unfortunately that some people are blessed with a higher metabolic rate than others (I don't need too much effort, just not take away every night) but keep at it... the hardest part is to persist at something that works very slowly! Good luck!
 
it can be difficult to get started for some people, basically because the fatter you are, the less efficient you use energy
I tend to disagree. The larger you are, the more initial weight you lose as SOON as you cut out the food that are fatty, high in sugar and so forth..
As I said above, There are only 3 weight loss drugs available in Aus-
Phentermine (Duromine), Xenical and the one I didn't touch on- Reductil.
Reductil is also an appetite suppressant, but it work on a different part of the brain than Duromine does, and you don't get quick results by using it, that's why I didn't recommend it.
I have a feeling that if Coolie was to try it, he would get discouraged because as he said, he was after quick results.
The reason why I don't agree with the kick-start method is because it never works, unfortunately..
Incidentally, Duromine has been used as a kick start method, and most patients end up putting on the weight.. that's why Reductil was brought in..
Anyhow Coolie, in the end, it is your choice
:)
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You really don't want to lose weight with coke/meth. You end up looking awful. The weight you'll lose will be a combination of muscle, fluids and fat. Your body won't have any tone. Skin becomes pastey, saggy and sunken. Sure you'll be thinner, but in no shape or form will you look any better or healthier for it. Best way is with exercise and some milder OTC stimulants if needed for appetite suppression. Try hydroxycut or ask for advice from a bodybuilding store. That way, you get more of an athletic body rather than the crackwhore, 'where's my fucken line,' gangley look. As special-k said, coke's just a fast track way to yo-yo dieting.
 
Oh well - I had a feeling Reductil was brought in because it could make money, and there wasn't really a non-amphetamine based diet drug that didn't give you diarrhoea!!
I wonder whether patients end up putting on the weight because they don't actually change their habits, because Duromine allows the patients to lose weight without any effort... because if they actually had a proper diet and exercise plan that they stuck to it should work.
Patients on reductil end up putting the weight back on too, if they ceased the medication. The trials that were mentioned when the reps were flogging the drugs talked about long term use.
However, you're right - the best way is guts and determination and no drugs.
 
Before I begin, apologies to Coolie High for hijacking his thread ;)
Reductil is slowly going to wipe out Duromine, I know this for certain. It's already an extremely controlled substance in Australia.
There was one more appetite suppressing drug on the market called Addifax that got banned over 5 years ago in Aus. It was an amphetamine and it was found to cause heart problems with extended use. Duromine (Phentermine) is known to have a similar effect.
Have to credit Reductil and Xenical in terms of trying to teach people that losing weight requires a lifestyle change.
And you guessed right, Duromine doesn't do this. It's a quick fix, as is coke or meth..
When your doc prescribes you either Xenical or Reductil, you have the option to become a member and with this you receive FREE little perks such as phone counselling, little info booklets, food diaries, calorie counting books and just someone to talk to if you feel you need encouragement or have a question (amoungst other things).
One more thing I wanted to add just quickly was that Xenical does not give you the runs if it is used correctly. It teaches you to eat low fat, and will not give you problems if you eat a meal say within the fat grams allowed (I think it's like 10 grams- and that's a VERY REASONABLE threshold).
So as an example, if you were to consume a dish of pasta that you thought was low fat, your bowel movements will soon prove you right or wrong. If it was too fatty, you indeed excrete a oily substance and you know next time not to eat that particular meal, or to prepare it in a way that is lower in fat.
I personally think it's a brilliant drug, and would recommend Coolie (and anyone else reading this who is interested) give it serious consideration...
And noooooo... I don't work for the company :p :)
You really don't want to lose weight with coke/meth. You end up looking awful. The weight you'll lose will be a combination of muscle, fluids and fat. Your body won't have any tone. Skin becomes pastey, saggy and sunken. Sure you'll be thinner, but in no shape or form will you look any better or healthier for it.
Couldn't have said it better myself! :)
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Coolie... mate weight loss is a hard one because ppl will always tell u to eat right and exercise, and while they are right when your over weight its hard to find the motivation to do so.. becuase as you said you dont see results straight away so it makes it hard to see the long term picture, thus u give up and go back to old eating/no exercise habbits.
You need an active activity that you dont relate to weight loss, something in which you are motivated enough to do because u want to do it.. not for weight loss.
Im guessing you are a guy, and if so, why dont you try a martial art. Dont think of it as your doing it to lose weight but think of it as your training to look after yourself if the situation ever arises, give it atleast a week and anyway the heavier u are the more power u gonna have initially.
Id train for a month or so before i even changed my eating habbits, so go train and eat what u do now.. , remember this is something u'll do for the rest of your life, and your body needs time to adjust to exercise. When your body has adjusted to exercise you can think about eating healthier.
Plenty of overweight ppl practise martial arts that iv seen so you dont have to worry about your appearence, fuck half of the overweight ppl compete, so u have nothing to worry about if u feel funny cos of your size walking into a place of training.
You might also be naturally big, in that case u can just get rid of the gut/excess fat and have a really nice build, with a shirt on ull just look buffed.
Anyway mate, even the weight loss drugs that are legit are gonna come back and bite u in the ass.. dont even go there
To me you really sound like u wanna go the coke/meth root for loosing weight... if your that relient on drugs take the one mentioned earlier that makes u shit if u eat the wrong foods, (ask your doc, if he wont give it to you tell him your gonna take meth instead, he'll have to give you them cos if u hurt yourself on meth he'd be in the shit) combine that with martial arts and you cant loose, id be happy to support you through it if u wanna do it.. why? cos iv helped ppl heavier than you loose weight and it is very possibe..
take care
 
You do get the perks, but Reductil is damned expensive. Something tells me it isn't going to get on the PBS because it's going to be the next COX-2 inhibitor or statin when every man and his dog gets it. Limiting it to authority probably won't be enough - statins are supposed to be on authority too and see how much its costing. Cost will probably be a limiting factor... Then again, given how much people spend on losing weight I'll probably have to eat my words. (pun fully intended!)
I was being a bit facetious with the diarrhoea bit!
 
Im guessing you are a guy, and if so, why dont you try a martial art.
Chicks can do it too!!!! :)
if your that relient on drugs take the one mentioned earlier that makes u shit if u eat the wrong foods, (ask your doc, if he wont give it to you tell him your gonna take meth instead, he'll have to give you them cos if u hurt yourself on meth he'd be in the shit)
At 265 (120.45kgs), his BMI (Body Mass Index) is at 38.
Underweight = Less than 18.5
Normal weight = 18.5 - 24.9
Overweight = 25 - 29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
He should have no problems getting meds prescribed
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I think volume-A is on the right track with finding fun activities to do that incorporate exercise.
Geocaching is a LOT of fun (it's like treasure hunting for adults) and often involves going on beautiful walks while madly trying to find the hidden cache. It is a lot of fun to do with a group of friends or family and can get quite addictive :) The only drawback is you need a GPS which can be quite expensive.
Check out the site if you would like more details. There are lots of caches around the world and I would be surprised if there aren't any within a reasonable proximity to where you live.
On a side note: When I used to be pretty badly depressed, I was a bit over-weight. Being overweight made the depression worse and I found once I started talking to a shrink and sorting my problems out, I started feeling a lot better about myself and had the strength to lose the weight.
I do know someone who lost weight through taking a prescribed amphetamine. When he found himself looking forward to taking the pill each morning he knew he had a problem and stopped.
And finally, as a chick, I would much, much, much rather date a guy who was extra snuggly than date a drug addict.
 
IMHO: any drug for weight loss can have the chance for developing a psychological dependance.
you think your not your idea weight/size and instead of exercizing to lose the lbs you turn to the drug. you feel you need to take this to lose weight and in your mind it's a quick easy fix.
i believe to have a drug prescribed for weight loss you need to be seriously obease and have your weight be a risk to you imediate health.
try just changing your diet first. you may think you dieted the right way, but maybe go to a nutritionist? (not a diet place like jenny craig or whatever) fad diets don't work for everyone.
if dieting and exercize doesn't work maybe its a medical problem.
and yes, whatever weight you lose with drugs is easily gained back.
 
weight loss tips thread
If you have ruled out a medical problem that might be preventing you from losing weight, then your best bet is to gradually incorporate healthy lifestyle changes.
Chances are, you did not get the size you are overnight, so it will take time, patience, and persistence to get the weight off.
Also, I recently read an article that said being overweight is 70% genetic/30% environmental. Maybe you are just one of those people with a larger body frame...look at your relatives - are they heavy? Society and the media really brainwash people into thinking a cookie cutter body type is necessary...try to focus on what is YOUR personal best.
Good luck.
 
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