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Benzos Diazepam Withdrawal

Thats great you are feeling better :) As for me, I dont know whether I just give up or what. I'm 28 and just coming out of a decade long alcoholic/drugged up decade to realise 'I've ruined my life'. I try to put a positive spin on ANYTHING and it is very difficult because reality is that I fucked up beyond belief and ruined my life :(.
 
Dude I'm in the same position as you. Only I'm 29 and have pretty much been downhill since 17. You can turn it around though. As long as you're breathing, it isn't too late. Its completely up to you. Trust me, I've been having those feelings of giving up too. Even thought I would be better off going back on Klonopin the other day. You just need to hang in there. You've made a ton of progress. People like you and I are usually deemed "lost causes" which just drives us harder to prove everyone wrong. Today makes 8 years since my best bud died. And this is the first time in 8 years that I haven't spent the days before, during, and after fucked out of my skull. There's something to be said about that immense growth and you've made a lot of your own. Just take a read back through this thread and see just how far you've truly come man.
 
I sure hope so, otherwise its just like 'why bother?'. My doctor wants to refer me to a 'high intensity therapist'. Im not too sure what that consists of exactly haha but maybe it will help.

I have now been on 5mg for three weeks! Im tempted yet terrified to cut the dose again, I know if I do, once I get used to it, it will feel like a brilliant achievement that to be honest seemed impossible.
 
Down to ten mgs here...starting to get gritty! Ten years of off and on benzos.....shittiest drugs ever. Hang in there crampz....doing great man:D
 
Man fuck benzos... I've been having to take amoxicillin for a jaw infection and I've been in HELL the whole time. I want to throw in the towel on my taper altogether, say fuck it, and get my doctor to give me Klonopin. I just got my disability which means I'll always have Medicare for insurance coverage now. Maybe its time to just say fuck it and switch back to Klonopin and see about recovering some type of a life. I'm tired of being holed up in my fucking room scared of everything! :!
 
Sorry I only just saw this! how are you doing? you were doing so well and I really hope you havent given up... but if you did see your doctor and get a new prescription I can totally understand and hopefully you can cut down and ultimately get off them some time in the future
 
Sorry I only just saw this! how are you doing? you were doing so well and I really hope you havent given up... but if you did see your doctor and get a new prescription I can totally understand and hopefully you can cut down and ultimately get off them some time in the future

I was in a really bad way... I ended up with a full blown abscess that went into my jaw and out into my cheek which required amoxicillin and it was causing me significant anxiety issues. I'm doing much better now although I'm still kinda "fuck that" about quitting. Problem is that I can't likely go back up anyway. Once the adaptation starts, going back up will just make things worse so I have no choice but to push on. How you doing man?
 
It is good you are continuing with it!¬ do you still see the decent dr about it and what do they have you on at the moment? mm the tapering is going surprisingly well, I cut to 3.75mg a few days ago so I guess ill have to see how I feel in a week or so, what I ended up doing was taking 5mg then 3.75mg on alternating days for like 2 weeks, didn't notice any problems so made a further cut.

I have major 'issues' with antidepressants thoughg... i get very very down without them but then just feel like they are masking my misery and I deserve to feel bad for ruining my life so I stop taking them.... then get ridiculous depressed again after a week then the cycle continues....I'm fucked up :(
 
Thats great you are feeling better :) As for me, I dont know whether I just give up or what. I'm 28 and just coming out of a decade long alcoholic/drugged up decade to realise 'I've ruined my life'. I try to put a positive spin on ANYTHING and it is very difficult because reality is that I fucked up beyond belief and ruined my life :(.

There comes a point where you just can't lie to yourself and convince yourself that your life is on the right track or that it feels worth living. Benzodiazepines, especially long-term use of them are known to induce problems later in life if you're dependent all the time, having been on them half my life, I got to say I am not convinced that they are the best way of dealing with the underlying conditions we all had that landed us in the benzodiazepine dependency boat, along with millions of others. I'm currently trying to eliminate them from my life, for what I hopefully believe will be the last time. I just gotta find a better way of dealing with insomnia, anxiety, panic and PTSD, all the reasons that made me allow more than a decade to go by before realizing that this shit is not helping me more than it's hurt me, the negatives in many ways have outweighed the positives, I've lost many friends to this class of chemical hand cuffs. I managed to break free for over a year, I had bad rebound symptoms that persisted the entire time I was off them, so in a moment of weakness I found myself dependent again.

I take a variety of benzodiazepines, but choose to taper primarily with diazepam because A) I don't even know if I've ever "felt" diazepam, I'd have to consume a ridiculous amount to get the state where you are truly aware of how inebrieted you are, and this keeps me more likely to stick to a steady dose since I know inebriation would mean taking weeks worth at a time. B) Placebo or not, I feel better knowing that it's anticonvulsant properties and long half life and the nordiazepam metabolite that accumulates, makes me feel of it as a "smoother" benzodiazepine, C) I'm clonazepam intolerant, as in, it does absolutely zero for me, I prefer listerine strips to clonazepam for sedation, D) Because it accumulates, with nordiazepam lasting 750 hours in many subjects, I don't have to freak out like it's life or death if I forget to dose my diazepam for a couple days, but I will begin to notice something "wrong" or "missing" after a certain point, although I have in my own personal taper now reached a point where despite panic and PTSD, I'm not taking alprazolam, or any other benzodiazepines im prescribed, which allowed for a substantial dose reduction in diazepam.

For those of you who are extremely sensitive and are at the sub-10mg/day stages, I highly recommend splitting your dosing up to further reduce discomfort by keeping steadier plasma concentrations in your body, like regardless of the dose, I would divide it into four doses, morning, lunchtime, afternoon, and bedtime, or something like that.

For those of you who are in the sub-5mg, or have needs for more precise dosing (I know how irritating it can be to use pill cutters) consider asking your prescribing doctors about liquid diazepam, they make an oral solution and a concentrate (intensol), it makes dosing much easier as they come with a precision eye-dropper.
 
tc, EXTREMELY well said!

Curious though. You really think that dosing 4x a day makes a difference? The Ashton manual recommends cutting to just a dose at night and then cutting that dose down til you're on nothing.

You brought up a lot of points I didn't really think about too. I really wish I never took the damn Xanax...

It is good you are continuing with it!¬ do you still see the decent dr about it and what do they have you on at the moment? mm the tapering is going surprisingly well, I cut to 3.75mg a few days ago so I guess ill have to see how I feel in a week or so, what I ended up doing was taking 5mg then 3.75mg on alternating days for like 2 weeks, didn't notice any problems so made a further cut.

I have major 'issues' with antidepressants thoughg... i get very very down without them but then just feel like they are masking my misery and I deserve to feel bad for ruining my life so I stop taking them.... then get ridiculous depressed again after a week then the cycle continues....I'm fucked up :(

I have had really bad agoraphobia so I canceled my last appointment. Hoping the doctor agrees to at least a one time phone appointment. Gonna ask for 2mg pills this time. I'm still at 7.5mg. I am ready to go down but I want 2mg pills so its less chance of the pills not being even.
 
Hmm I know what you mean about cant lie to yourself anymore. I also feel like it is pointless lying about the future too.... realistically I have fucked my life up.. I dont know of anyone who has made their life as bad as mine is then go into a successful career... if anything it is usually supported employment in shitty manual labour type jobs... not exactly what I was planning when I started at university.

Also the fact that the average life expectancy for an alcoholic is 58 years old, and I have been faaaaar worse than any alcoholic I know, plus the multiple overdoses on antidepressants etc and Id be very suprised if I made it to 58. I really am beginning to think its about time I tyook a one way trip to the train tracks
 
Hmm I know what you mean about cant lie to yourself anymore. I also feel like it is pointless lying about the future too.... realistically I have fucked my life up.. I dont know of anyone who has made their life as bad as mine is then go into a successful career... if anything it is usually supported employment in shitty manual labour type jobs... not exactly what I was planning when I started at university.

Also the fact that the average life expectancy for an alcoholic is 58 years old, and I have been faaaaar worse than any alcoholic I know, plus the multiple overdoses on antidepressants etc and Id be very suprised if I made it to 58. I really am beginning to think its about time I tyook a one way trip to the train tracks

Dude, hang in there. You are the only thing that is stopping you from achieving your goals. Average life expectancy factors in people that continue to drink despite medical warning that they will die, you are young enough that you can make a full recovery (the liver is one of the organs in the body that is capable of regenerating itself almost 100%).

Seriously, don't give up hope man.

As for me, I went to the doctor and she asked me if I wanted to cut some more, I said I did, she asked what my goal was, I said 1.5mg, she gave me a script for 90 2mg pills without any argument and I'm going to ease down from 7.5mg to 6mg over the next month - she specifically told me if I am not comfortable to hold it, she doesn't want me to rush. I have an amazing psychiatrist and I'm fortunate that she seems to have a lot of benzo experience.
 
Also, one last question, will my cognitive function return to 'normal' or how I was before I started abusing alcohol and benzos (which I have done for years) or have I fried my brain permanently?
Ur brain is fine.
The benzo haze will lift. I was on diazepam for a year + and while withdrawal lasted a while it was no where near as hard as klonopin w/d. It makes me nervous tho...the quitting drinking and quitting benzos. That's a recipe for a seizure if not done properly. Am rnot saying to start drinking again. Keep it up!! But do go slow on ur taper

Good luck
 
Ur brain is fine.
The benzo haze will lift. I was on diazepam for a year + and while withdrawal lasted a while it was no where near as hard as klonopin w/d. It makes me nervous tho...the quitting drinking and quitting benzos. That's a recipe for a seizure if not done properly. Am rnot saying to start drinking again. Keep it up!! But do go slow on ur taper

Good luck

Seizure risk from alcohol is gone after the first week and he and I both got through that around the same time, 9/17 was my quit date. I'm sure he's fine by now.

Well I'm looking at a bottle of 90 2mg pills right now. The doctor prescribed them as take 1 in the morning, 2 before bed which would be a 6mg dose with 2mg in the morning and 4mg in the evening. Since I'm doing 2.5mg in the morning and 5mg in the evening now, does this seem like a steep drop or should it be smoother since I'll be taking whole pills and having less fluctuation in my plasma level?

I'm also thinking about splitting it into three doses a day to keep a more steady plasma level. I just don't know. There's so much left to chance and I hate it, it stresses me out which results in more anxiety and just fuels everything all over.

I still have like 20 or so 5mg pills but the smallest cut I can make with those is 1.25mg realistically so maybe cutting .5mg off my morning dose and 1mg off my night dose will be more manageable than the 1.25mg cut I was going to make on my morning dose and I should stop freaking out about the extra 250 micrograms that the 6mg a day will be?

I think right now is the perfect time to do the alternating days.

So I'm going to do 7.5mg one day (2.5/5) and 6mg the next (2/4) for the next two weeks. Does that sound like a good idea? Then I can do 2 weeks at 6mg and see how I feel when I see the doctor next month.
 
As for me, I went to the doctor and she asked me if I wanted to cut some more, I said I did, she asked what my goal was, I said 1.5mg, she gave me a script for 90 2mg pills without any argument and I'm going to ease down from 7.5mg to 6mg over the next month - she specifically told me if I am not comfortable to hold it, she doesn't want me to rush. I have an amazing psychiatrist and I'm fortunate that she seems to have a lot of benzo experience.


oh thats awesome! :D so good youve found such a decent doctor....I wrote out a reply earlier then just saw you had replied to this thread :D I think the booster dosing thing really really helps... about 10 days ago I cut from 5mg to 3.75mg and I found it really smooth and I think this is because I was taking 5mg one day then 3.75 the next for like 2 weeks until I started just taking 3.75 each day.

Also, I only take one dose a day at night... I did used to take 2 doses but switched to one because of what it said in the ashton manual and I havent noticed much difference :).
 
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I wasn't completely sure about the risk of seizure in alcohol w/d just because I've never had first hand experience with it. Good to know the risk is gone after. Week... is that the same for benzos?? I suffered a seizure because of my lack of knowledge and IMO my docs lack of safety when coming off klonopin so it makes me nervous. :(
 
oh thats awesome! :D so good youve found such a decent doctor....I wrote out a reply earlier then just saw you had replied to this thread :D I think the booster dosing thing really really helps... about 10 days ago I cut from 5mg to 3.75mg and I found it really smooth and I think this is because I was taking 5mg one day then 3.75 the next for like 2 weeks until I started just taking 3.75 each day.

Also, I only take one dose a day at night... I did used to take 2 doses but switched to one because of what it said in the ashton manual and I havent noticed much difference :).

I counted my 5's last night and I have 24 5's left so I'm taking a 2mg in the morning and a 5mg at night which makes a 1/2mg cut, I'm tempted to hold that dose for the full 24 days but maybe its too slow. The thing is that the dose is going to go to 2/4 which is a whole milligram off my night dose. I doubt I'm going to feel the .5mg cut because the variance when splitting pills is now gone. If anything I'll have a steady plasma level now.

So switching to just the night dose is okay for you? I've noticed that's when I'm the most anxious is coming up to that dose so I was actually thinking of trying tricomb's suggestion and doing 4 microdoses a day.

I wasn't completely sure about the risk of seizure in alcohol w/d just because I've never had first hand experience with it. Good to know the risk is gone after. Week... is that the same for benzos?? I suffered a seizure because of my lack of knowledge and IMO my docs lack of safety when coming off klonopin so it makes me nervous. :(

Benzos are completely different. You are at risk of a seizure pretty much any time you make too large of a dose cut and I'd say Klonopin is among the worst for that. I've had seizures from that one too when going through a rapid detox at an inpatient facility. Not fun. I had to switch from Klonopin to Valium, I wasn't able to do a direct taper with Klonopin.
 
Yeah I have found it pretty okay! I definitely feel it when its time to take the next dose but its not much different to when I was taking 2 doses tbh.

Im really worried... I have to have some dental work done and I'm terrified of the dentist so they are talking about sedating me with midazolam.... will this be a major issue do you think?
 
Yeah I have found it pretty okay! I definitely feel it when its time to take the next dose but its not much different to when I was taking 2 doses tbh.

Im really worried... I have to have some dental work done and I'm terrified of the dentist so they are talking about sedating me with midazolam.... will this be a major issue do you think?

I guess I'll find out soon about the dosing. I'm doing okay with the 7mg, going to 6mg in a week. Actually think I'm going to alternate a 5mg pill with two 2mg pills for the next nights until I'm just on the 2 2mg pills.

I don't really think a one-off with midazolam would be a big deal but honestly, the entire GABAergic system gets sensitive as fuck when you're tapering so I don't know. I've decided to put off my dental work until my taper is done personally.
 
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