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Tapering (Diazepam) No matter how slow I go, it’s just not enough...

Be very careful with that stuff if you are dependent on GABAergics. It's a GABA antagonist which can precipitate withdrawal if you aren't careful. I certainly would not be touching it with my dependence on benzos. Sounds like a trip to hell to me. 😞
Thank you for your reply. I did notice they make me a bit anxious so it could be that. I'm not super dependent on GABAergics yet but will be if I keep going with the drinking.
 
Thank you for your reply. I did notice they make me a bit anxious so it could be that. I'm not super dependent on GABAergics yet but will be if I keep going with the drinking.
The nice thing about alcohol versus something like benzos is the physical withdrawal is over pretty quick without having to worry about protracted withdrawal. All it takes to recover is avoiding alcohol. I know that is a major chore at times but if you can find a way to avoid it, you won't need any additional help. If you try to drink on Kudzu, I would think it would waste the alcohol which is probably why it has reported efficacy for alcohol addiction.
 
Go slower, you've been addicted for 16 years? I really dont think you can expect to be completely out of the woods in 2.25 years, though it has gotten you a long way obviously as you are taking a very small dose now, Id be interested to know what dates you did you most recent drops and the doses. If I were you stick to that 1.4mg dose or whatever, Id say just keep it under 2mg for like 3-6 months straight and your brain will have made changes making the last bit after that a lot easier.

The way I see it your brain freaking out right now and you thinking oh I should just go throw away my progress, thats the addicted part of your brain making a last ditch effort to survive, it knows its dying. Just take your time and try and enjoy the small things while you get used to the dose you are at if you arent already used to it. I think that is how tapers ought to be done, you dont go down again until you feel 100% on the new dose, the exception would be if you are just really confident in your ability to handle the withdrawal and arent worried
 
The nice thing about alcohol versus something like benzos is the physical withdrawal is over pretty quick without having to worry about protracted withdrawal. All it takes to recover is avoiding alcohol. I know that is a major chore at times but if you can find a way to avoid it, you won't need any additional help. If you try to drink on Kudzu, I would think it would waste the alcohol which is probably why it has reported efficacy for alcohol addiction.
Thank you and good luck with coming off them.
 
Go slower, you've been addicted for 16 years? I really dont think you can expect to be completely out of the woods in 2.25 years, though it has gotten you a long way obviously as you are taking a very small dose now, Id be interested to know what dates you did you most recent drops and the doses. If I were you stick to that 1.4mg dose or whatever, Id say just keep it under 2mg for like 3-6 months straight and your brain will have made changes making the last bit after that a lot easier.

The way I see it your brain freaking out right now and you thinking oh I should just go throw away my progress, thats the addicted part of your brain making a last ditch effort to survive, it knows its dying. Just take your time and try and enjoy the small things while you get used to the dose you are at if you arent already used to it. I think that is how tapers ought to be done, you dont go down again until you feel 100% on the new dose, the exception would be if you are just really confident in your ability to handle the withdrawal and arent worried
I haven’t been dependent that long. What caused me to become dependent was I had a collapsed lung (spontaneous pneumothorax) back around 2008 or so and up until that point I was taking them no more than twice a week (alprazolam as a PRN for panic attacks). Unfortunately I ended up having to have surgery and we discovered that hydrocodone gives me panic attacks. Doctors had me taking .5mg alprazolam with each vicoprofen dose (which I was taking 5-6 times a day) for 6 weeks. When I went back to work I stopped taking both, not really thinking about it, and I had a panic attack so bad that day that I was in the bathroom calling my doctor because I couldn’t even get back to my desk. He informed me that I had been on them so long that I couldn’t just stop so he told me to take .5mg three times a day.

In retrospect I should have questioned how to get off of them but I didn’t figure that something like this could happen - you never really are able to comprehend the idea of horrible withdrawal until you actually experience it. I have been benzo dependent since.

As for my taper, I am going very slow. I am doing a daily liquid micro taper where I am cutting 3.5% every 14 days but that’s .25% per day and it’s calculated off my current dose, not my starting dose, so it’s incredibly slow. I started at 20mg and my cut tonight was .004mg.

I am obviously having withdrawal symptoms but holding will just push my end date out even further without providing much relief. At the sub-2mg level, I don’t think there is any amount of time that would actually stabilize me. It’s pretty much grin and bare it until the finish line now I think. It’s awful but it’s manageable for the most part.

... maybe manageable isn’t the word for it but I’m not suicidal and I’m still sleeping at night so it could be worse. The tinnitus and feeling like my nerves are going to jump out of my skin is terrible as are the adrenaline spikes but I have been through worse benzo withdrawal so I keep reminding myself that I have lived through worse.
 
Well that escalated quickly... ringing got so bad that I decided to take a 2mg pill so I can hopefully sleep tonight. The tinnitus is probably the hardest thing for me to tolerate because the ringing is constant and repetitive which is exactly what makes me panic when I listen to music.

I hardly ever updose so I’m not worried about it affecting my taper but I feel defeated anyway. Off to try to sleep now.
 
I haven’t been dependent that long. What caused me to become dependent was I had a collapsed lung (spontaneous pneumothorax) back around 2008 or so and up until that point I was taking them no more than twice a week (alprazolam as a PRN for panic attacks). Unfortunately I ended up having to have surgery and we discovered that hydrocodone gives me panic attacks. Doctors had me taking .5mg alprazolam with each vicoprofen dose (which I was taking 5-6 times a day) for 6 weeks. When I went back to work I stopped taking both, not really thinking about it, and I had a panic attack so bad that day that I was in the bathroom calling my doctor because I couldn’t even get back to my desk. He informed me that I had been on them so long that I couldn’t just stop so he told me to take .5mg three times a day.

In retrospect I should have questioned how to get off of them but I didn’t figure that something like this could happen - you never really are able to comprehend the idea of horrible withdrawal until you actually experience it. I have been benzo dependent since.

As for my taper, I am going very slow. I am doing a daily liquid micro taper where I am cutting 3.5% every 14 days but that’s .25% per day and it’s calculated off my current dose, not my starting dose, so it’s incredibly slow. I started at 20mg and my cut tonight was .004mg.

I am obviously having withdrawal symptoms but holding will just push my end date out even further without providing much relief. At the sub-2mg level,
don’t think there is any amount of time that would actually stabilize me. It’s pretty much grin and bare it until the finish line now I think. It’s awful but it’s manageable for the most part.

I don’t think there is any amount of time that would actually stabilize me. It’s pretty much grin and bare it until the finish line now I think. It’s awful but it’s manageable for the most part.

... maybe manageable isn’t the word for it but I’m not suicidal and I’m still sleeping at night so it could be worse. The tinnitus and feeling like my nerves are going to jump out of my skin is terrible as are the adrenaline spikes but I have been through worse benzo withdrawal so I keep reminding myself that I have lived through worse.
I would just say that the dose you are at now, for most people would hardly be active, I really dont know how much of a difference, or how accurate you can be (even with liquid) as far as 3.5% of 1.4mg. How long you at 2mg or lower for? I would imagine it would have had to be quite a while doing 3.5% every 2 weeks, if my math is any good you would have been there for like 10 months or something already? I would recommend instead of following a schedule with the taper listen to your body, get used to one dose first, trust me you can get used to this dose as long as you have stable blood drugs levels throughout the day, its the same as getting used to complete sobriety it just takes time, one step before the other you know.

Learn how to fight/work with the anxiety as that is something you probably have forgot how to do normally, you got to rebuild your brain, your whole life if you will its not just about the dose of medication. If you have to go up to 1.6 mg or something I think that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. To be honest I think you are causing yourself a lot of extra worry, which translates into withdrawal, when you force yourself to do these drops every 2 weeks if you feel you aren't ready to go lower, even though the drop is tiny. I personally cant imagine a drop of less than .25mg to have much of an effect so i would assume you just arent used to your new lower dose yet and just need to wait it out learn to be okay at this dose, I think if you do that when you finally decided to drop this last 1.5-2mg it will be so much easier than anything from the rest of your taper. 2mg of valium is very little unless for some reason you metabolize it extra slowly or something, not an amount that someone would likely get addicted to taken daily. So keep on taking that daily, you are a lot closer to being clean than you think if you ask me, if you get used to this dose, that is like right beside sobriety

I actually had the same thought regarding opiates as far as your comment "don’t think there is any amount of time that would actually stabilize me. It’s pretty much grin and bare it until the finish line now I think. It’s awful but it’s manageable for the most part.". I did a methadone taper years back which failed, I thought I could never get used to the low dose and it caused me to try and speed through the last bit to try and "end the misery" unfortunately it didnt really work that way, the way I see it youve got your set amount of misery you have to experience and you can either stretch it out or take it all now, which doesn't help much as far as the mental side of addiction. Do you notice that you get peak effects at a certain time of the day? If so I would say split your dose maybe, at the very least make sure you get the peak effects when you need to sleep if you have trouble doing that. You are almost there, I feel like its pretty fair to say you've got months, not years left so definately don't stop
 
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I would just say that the dose you are at now, for most people would hardly be active, I really dont know how much of a difference, or how accurate you can be (even with liquid) as far as 3.5% of 1.4mg. How long you at 2mg or lower for? I would imagine it would have had to be quite a while doing 3.5% every 2 weeks, if my math is any good you would have been there for like 10 months or something already? I would recommend instead of following a schedule with the taper listen to your body, get used to one dose first, trust me you can get used to this dose as long as you have stable blood drugs levels throughout the day, its the same as getting used to complete sobriety it just takes time, one step before the other you know.

Learn how to fight/work with the anxiety as that is something you probably have forgot how to do normally, you got to rebuild your brain, your whole life if you will its not just about the dose of medication. If you have to go up to 1.6 mg or something I think that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. To be honest I think you are causing yourself a lot of extra worry, which translates into withdrawal, when you force yourself to do these drops every 2 weeks if you feel you aren't ready to go lower, even though the drop is tiny. I personally cant imagine a drop of less than .25mg to have much of an effect so i would assume you just arent used to your new lower dose yet and just need to wait it out learn to be okay at this dose, I think if you do that when you finally decided to drop this last 1.5-2mg it will be so much easier than anything from the rest of your taper. 2mg of valium is very little unless for some reason you metabolize it extra slowly or something, not an amount that someone would likely get addicted to taken daily. So keep on taking that daily, you are a lot closer to being clean than you think if you ask me, if you get used to this dose, that is like right beside sobriety

I actually had the same thought regarding opiates as far as your comment "don’t think there is any amount of time that would actually stabilize me. It’s pretty much grin and bare it until the finish line now I think. It’s awful but it’s manageable for the most part.". I did a methadone taper years back which failed, I thought I could never get used to the low dose and it caused me to try and speed through the last bit to try and "end the misery" unfortunately it didnt really work that way, the way I see it youve got your set amount of misery you have to experience and you can either stretch it out or take it all now, which doesn't help much as far as the mental side of addiction. Do you notice that you get peak effects at a certain time of the day? If so I would say split your dose maybe, at the very least make sure you get the peak effects when you need to sleep if you have trouble doing that. You are almost there, I feel like its pretty fair to say you've got months, not years left so definately don't stop
I wish it was as easy as you say it is. Spending time trying to hold, increase my taper speed, decrease my taper speed, it’s most certainly still affecting me heavily. In fact the 2mg rescue dose I took this morning knocked me out cold and I’m quite frankly high and having a hard time responding to your post effectively. 2mg wouldn’t normally be felt by someone with no tolerance in any recreational manner but here I am in an uncomfortable dysphoria because the dose wasn’t enough to completely ameliorate my anxiety but it was high enough to give me a buzz.

When someone has become benzo dependent to the point that I have, any dose can be felt. I think you misunderstood how I am tapering as well. I don’t cut every 2 weeks. That was how I started my taper was a traditional cut and hold method. It was fine until about 5mg and then it became unbearable to taper that way. I was faced with either moving to liquid or giving up altogether. I chose to move to liquid. While my total cuts equal 3.5% every 14 days, the cuts are made daily at the rate of .25% per day. I make a .1mg/mL solution and measure my dose with a 10mL and 1mL syringe. If my dose for that day is 1.565mg, I take 15.65mL of solution. It’s unfortunately something that many of us who are benzo dependent have to do to get off of them and it can indeed take years to get off the last 2mg. There is an entire forum dedicated to people trying to get off benzos called Benzo Buddies. Liquid tapering is so common that someone made a calculator for figuring out how to make the solution and what the schedule should be. My brain doesn’t seem to be able to go any quicker than I am. I do agree that I need to hold at this point since I had to updose last night but unfortunately that just means I’ll extend this another week or two.

It is hell. And I know that my dose is heavily affecting me because there have been times I felt that familiar “oh shit I’m going to die, I should go to the ER” panic and then checked my taper log and realized that I skipped my dose the night before.

As for the metabolism, I can feel it wearing off around an hour and a half to two hours before my scheduled dose so I take it at 10:30PM at night every night in hopes that it will help me sleep. I have been having a much easier time sleeping since I shifted that around. Previously I was taking it at 8PM and then I would stay up until 1 or 2AM and miss the sleep train entirely.

It’s all a delicate balancing act and I really hate it but I’m determined to succeed so I will succeed. Failure is not an option this time because I know if I give up on my taper, I will also be giving up on life because the depression will set me on a catastrophic bender with the intent of suicide.
 
I wish it was as easy as you say it is. Spending time trying to hold, increase my taper speed, decrease my taper speed, it’s most certainly still affecting me heavily. In fact the 2mg rescue dose I took this morning knocked me out cold and I’m quite frankly high and having a hard time responding to your post effectively. 2mg wouldn’t normally be felt by someone with no tolerance in any recreational manner but here I am in an uncomfortable dysphoria because the dose wasn’t enough to completely ameliorate my anxiety but it was high enough to give me a buzz.

When someone has become benzo dependent to the point that I have, any dose can be felt. I think you misunderstood how I am tapering as well. I don’t cut every 2 weeks. That was how I started my taper was a traditional cut and hold method. It was fine until about 5mg and then it became unbearable to taper that way. I was faced with either moving to liquid or giving up altogether. I chose to move to liquid. While my total cuts equal 3.5% every 14 days, the cuts are made daily at the rate of .25% per day. I make a .1mg/mL solution and measure my dose with a 10mL and 1mL syringe. If my dose for that day is 1.565mg, I take 15.65mL of solution. It’s unfortunately something that many of us who are benzo dependent have to do to get off of them and it can indeed take years to get off the last 2mg. There is an entire forum dedicated to people trying to get off benzos called Benzo Buddies. Liquid tapering is so common that someone made a calculator for figuring out how to make the solution and what the schedule should be. My brain doesn’t seem to be able to go any quicker than I am. I do agree that I need to hold at this point since I had to updose last night but unfortunately that just means I’ll extend this another week or two.

It is hell. And I know that my dose is heavily affecting me because there have been times I felt that familiar “oh shit I’m going to die, I should go to the ER” panic and then checked my taper log and realized that I skipped my dose the night before.

As for the metabolism, I can feel it wearing off around an hour and a half to two hours before my scheduled dose so I take it at 10:30PM at night every night in hopes that it will help me sleep. I have been having a much easier time sleeping since I shifted that around. Previously I was taking it at 8PM and then I would stay up until 1 or 2AM and miss the sleep train entirely.

It’s all a delicate balancing act and I really hate it but I’m determined to succeed so I will succeed. Failure is not an option this time because I know if I give up on my taper, I will also be giving up on life because the depression will set me on a catastrophic bender with the intent of suicide.
Yea I think youll do it too, what works for you works for you. I just wonder if the speed is too much for you currently, did you say I just feel its important not to feel bad about holding, even for a long time and not following the taper schedule. The way I see it if you aren't comfortable at a dose but are still limiting yourself to that dose, that IS tapering even if its been 3 months since you reduced, because your brain is adapting, it will find homeostasis after long enough I truly believe.

I would recommend taking your 1/2 your dose twice a day, its gonna lower your peak serum level but increase your minimum level, the fact that you feel a bit sick a couple hours before your dose shows this would be helpful to me. I know for me splitting my dose with my opiate taper enabled me to actually speed it up, just it was starting to feel impossible which I think was due to it starting to run out to quick (metabolize)

Maybe this will help with the mental aspect, but even if you hypothetically were stuck at 1.4mg the rest of your life that's a lot better than being at 20, I think you should be happy and proud of your dosage not just when you get clean all together. With the opiates I know I felt differences as far as emotion and feeling things just from dose reductions, it was like all the way down I started to feel more and more.

At the end of the day if failure really isnt an option youll manage, most of life is suffering anyway it seems, but in a way thats what makes it worth it if you ask me, pushing through
 
Yea I think youll do it too, what works for you works for you. I just wonder if the speed is too much for you currently, did you say I just feel its important not to feel bad about holding, even for a long time and not following the taper schedule. The way I see it if you aren't comfortable at a dose but are still limiting yourself to that dose, that IS tapering even if its been 3 months since you reduced, because your brain is adapting, it will find homeostasis after long enough I truly believe.

I would recommend taking your 1/2 your dose twice a day, its gonna lower your peak serum level but increase your minimum level, the fact that you feel a bit sick a couple hours before your dose shows this would be helpful to me. I know for me splitting my dose with my opiate taper enabled me to actually speed it up, just it was starting to feel impossible which I think was due to it starting to run out to quick (metabolize)

Maybe this will help with the mental aspect, but even if you hypothetically were stuck at 1.4mg the rest of your life that's a lot better than being at 20, I think you should be happy and proud of your dosage not just when you get clean all together. With the opiates I know I felt differences as far as emotion and feeling things just from dose reductions, it was like all the way down I started to feel more and more.

At the end of the day if failure really isnt an option youll manage, most of life is suffering anyway it seems, but in a way thats what makes it worth it if you ask me, pushing through
I had to take a break yesterday. I think I actually may have just messed up when I made my solution because last night I was feeling it ramp up again and it didn't go back down after I took my dose. I went ahead and took just half a 2mg pill and again, conked out when it kicked in. Made a new batch before I went to bed and I'm going to hold for a week and see how it goes.

I run into this issue from time to time when I make a new batch. I haven't figured out exactly what it is that I am doing because I'm very careful and I'm a perfectionist so I'm using a graduated cylinder, not eyeballing, but sometimes I just have to make a new one.

I was initially taking my dose twice a day and I wasn't sleeping so I moved it all to night and started sleeping again. Things are much worse when I can't sleep so I would rather deal with some interdose withdrawals than go back to being wide awake every night.

I am definitely proud of how far I have come but as we all know, if I got stuck at 1.5, my tolerance would start ramping up again and it would only take a few months before I was back where I started. Benzos are just plain awful when used long-term.

It seems like one day at a time has become very real now. Sigh.
 
I had to take a break yesterday. I think I actually may have just messed up when I made my solution because last night I was feeling it ramp up again and it didn't go back down after I took my dose. I went ahead and took just half a 2mg pill and again, conked out when it kicked in. Made a new batch before I went to bed and I'm going to hold for a week and see how it goes.

I run into this issue from time to time when I make a new batch. I haven't figured out exactly what it is that I am doing because I'm very careful and I'm a perfectionist so I'm using a graduated cylinder, not eyeballing, but sometimes I just have to make a new one.

I was initially taking my dose twice a day and I wasn't sleeping so I moved it all to night and started sleeping again. Things are much worse when I can't sleep so I would rather deal with some interdose withdrawals than go back to being wide awake every night.

I am definitely proud of how far I have come but as we all know, if I got stuck at 1.5, my tolerance would start ramping up again and it would only take a few months before I was back where I started. Benzos are just plain awful when used long-term.

It seems like one day at a time has become very real now. Sigh.
I dont think your tolerance would start ramping up unless you are expecting to get some sort of effect from them, if you wait long enough at a dose you should feel like a normal person eventually essentially no high no withdrawal, assuming your daily blood levels are stable. For that reason I think maybe taking it all at once, though it does help you sleep better, could be a deterrent to feeling normal at a dose over time. Maybe forcing your body to learn to sleep on a lower dose is important, I just dont think the higher levels over night and lower in the days is a good thing in general but that's my opinion.

As for the batches possibly being inconsistent, I know pills themselves have a certain % of allowed difference from the advertised dose so at you very specific doses that could definitely play a role. If you think maybe it could be your technique maybe you could weight actual pieces of pill on a .001 scale which dont cost to much.

I think as far as doses, go up a bit, go down a bit whatever you need to do to keep in the right headspace of wanting to quit and it will eventually be over as long as you can keep pushing. Dont stress yourself out rushing trying to get it done to the point you give up all together, thats pitfall people can fall into in all aspects of life. Slow and steady wins the race they say, its all about the direction you are moving in
 
still going strong here. been a trip w all the craziness. weed smoking out. havent tried the amanitas again, just trying to get my brain back in order.
 
still going strong here. been a trip w all the craziness. weed smoking out. havent tried the amanitas again, just trying to get my brain back in order.
Yeah I am actually doing a bit better. It’s been a lot hotter than it usually is at this time of the year which has been messing with me but I am now down under 1.5mg (I took 1.488mg this evening).

I tried phenibut to see if it would be an option for dental anxiety and it was pretty decent but despite only taking about 450mg, about 12 hours after I took it the rebound hit and it was *brutal* - migraine, nausea, tachycardia, nerves on fire, shaking... felt like I was headed into full blown benzo withdrawal. Needless to say I’m not doing that again so back to the drawing board. I’m not surprised by how heavily it affected me since I’ve always been sensitive to chemicals (I was actually pretty euphoric when it was going on, wasn’t bad until the end) but I am surprised that the rebound was so quick and so brutal. I guess that must be kindling in action?

My amanitas still aren’t here. I am getting a reship if they’re not here in about 2 weeks but unfortunately right now is an awful time to have anything rolling through customs. I’m just going to be patient. I’ll get them when I am meant to have them and not before.

Anyway, definitely celebrating the milestone of being under 1.5mg. If you asked me a few years ago, I would have told you I couldn’t ever see myself being off the benzos but I can see that future for myself now. Unfortunately I see that my county has changed the single entry point for Medicaid long term services and supports so the future of my CMHS waiver is a bit of an unknown going into 2021. That’s a December problem though, not a June one.

Glad to hear that things are still going okay. I’m honestly scared shitless of what life is going to look like when I finally jump off...
 
We've come to the conclusion with all qualified medical professionals that it's safer for me to be on low dose valium ie. 20mg per day than stopping all together.
Both times i quit in the past first a 7 month taper then cold turkey the second time I went "mad"
Good luck to you.... benzos are a b*tch to stop.
Been on them 12 years now....
 
We've come to the conclusion with all qualified medical professionals that it's safer for me to be on low dose valium ie. 20mg per day than stopping all together.
Both times i quit in the past first a 7 month taper then cold turkey the second time I went "mad"
Good luck to you.... benzos are a b*tch to stop.
Been on them 12 years now....
Yeah I haven’t got a great track record with getting off of them either (this is my second time tapering, I have been inpatient detoxed twice, had two other times where they tried to detox me and gave up because my symptoms were so bad, and I tried cold turkey which lasted for like a week) and my doctors had given up too but they also don’t actually help my anxiety, it’s done nothing but get worse the longer I am on them, and I developed additional issues like agoraphobia. I pretty much have two choices - do my damnedest to get off the Valium and try to recover a normal life or stay on it indefinitely and continue to worsen with time until I finally kill myself. It’s a lot of work but the former is definitely possible, I just have to go slow. This taper has gone on since 2/2018 and I won’t be done until next year around August at the earliest. If 3 1/2 years isn’t enough time, well, I guess I’ll have to push it to 4.

The point is that this time I’m not giving in. My brain is starting to slowly figure out how to do what it needs to do again. I don’t really feel as bad as I would have expected when I started this. I have my bad times (obviously or this thread wouldn’t exist) but I am one of the most stubborn fuckers I have ever met and when I set my mind on something, that’s how it’s going to be. I woke up one day and decided to give up alcohol and did that without issue, woke up another day and decided it was time to taper, and then woke up last December and decided it was time to quit nicotine. Being bull headed doesn’t do much for my love life but it certainly gives me a leg up on my addictive nature! 😂
 
Maybe if you could stay at 5mg twice or 3 times a day would be safest...
 
Nah, I know that I have to get off of it. It never was effective to the level that alprazolam and especially clonazepam were where I could actually function like a normal person 95+% of the time (and those both have paradoxical reactions for me now that actually dramatically increase my anxiety). When I’m on a full dose of diazepam I get just enough relief to want to go out in the world but then I end up drinking to actually be able to go do anything.

The way I figure it, I’m already stuck in my room all of the time. If I am going to be stuck anyway, I might as well get off the addictive med. There is also plenty of evidence that people who quit long term benzos will eventually get back to the state they were at BEFORE the benzos which in my case would just mean a major panic attack 2-3 times a month and an otherwise normal existence. I can cope with that possibility much better than this nonstop anxious existence I have been living for years.
 
I actually started a topic on this many years ago asking of all people who did benzodiazepines long term and quit, how they were coping.

I'll try to find the link
 



Here it is if you're interested
 
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