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Diamorphine hydrochloride BP amps

Indeed. Suspect your inbox will soon be overflowing with enquiries from unhappy methadoners looking to move to Devon.

I'd heard there were pockets of treatment enlightenment in the far south-west. Who controls the treatment service provision down there? Abstentionist orientated 'charity corporations' have taken over from the NHS in most cachement areas and skilfuly and determinedly strive to have their rather suspect ideologies endorsed as government policy.

How many diamophine scriptees do you have? Are they young, old, or both? Are they on supervised consumption? Are they, broadly speaking, treatment success stories? Were any given it before they'd screwed up on every other treatment option? Have anyone qualified for their first diamorphine script lately?

Let me second our moderator and welcome you on board. Look forward to your thoughts on what happened to us and your future posts. I'm presuming you became addicted from smoking brown? If it's not too secret did methadone/MST arrest that practice? And, as one last question, if things go badly for us come Monday, have you a spare room? (small joke)
 
Being on Methadone Maintenance for several years now, after having become addicted to opioids through IV Heroin, I know both from official Goverment documentation as well as personal experience of several friends, that pharmaceutical Diacetylmorphine is still occasionally prescribed here, and if I'm not mistaken the Netherlands was actually the first country in the world to re-prescribe Diamorphine to addicts (if you exclude Brittain, which never stopped prescribing it). Pharmaceutical Diamorphine is available both as powder for injection and powder for smoking and comes in sealed glass ampoules, the powder for smoking has around 10% caffeine added to it to make it easier to chase. The strongest ampoules available are 3000mg ampoules, and if I'm not mistaken they are also available in several lower strengths.

As is the case in other countries, the Diamorphine has to be injested under supervision (although a friend of mine told me he sometimes smuggled it out by loading up a syringe with the solution for injection and smuggling it out of the clinic) and cannot be taken home, one also has to be eligible to the same strict criteria as the Brittish Diamorphine Maintenance treatment i.e. having a criminal record, several previous failed attempts on Methadone maintenance, a minimum number of years of usage and the outlook of your social and medical situation improving if you were to be treated with Diamorphine. I also think this is also stupid, especially the requirement that you have a criminal record in order to be eligible, what the hell do they want, that you become criminal if you don't have a record yet?!!! However, with the current goverment being composed of or are electoraly supported by a center-right Christian party, and right wing extremist party and a fundamentalist right wing Christian party after 4 previous Christian party majority cabinets, the future for the Dutch model of harm reduction and tolerance looks very grim. The ban on Psilocybin mushrooms, the introduction of a "Weed Pass" (only Dutch citizens allowed to buy cannabis) and zero-tolerance policies enacted in several of the major cities towards dance festivals is clear proof of this. Such a shame ...


In reply to the fella who told about the Morphine Maintenance treatment he was on, that sounds like a fucking brilliant idea! With it's much shorter half life it would indeed be much less hellish to taper or withdraw from Morphine than it would be from Methadone, and with an abundance of generic Morphine formulations in both instant and extdended release and a whole range of different strengths, it wouldn't cost too much nor would it be very difficult to precisely titrate one's dosage to the correct level and slowly taper down from there and switch over to a 10 day Buprenorphine taper once a low dose of Morphine has been tapered down to. It would actually give a lot of people who have been on Methadone for several years the chance to quit altogether in the future, something which would be to hellish if it would have to be done with Methadone onely.
 
averagejoeforever said:
i came across some amps of diamorphine not so long ago i smashed the vials and took the white crystals outts them i placed the crystals on some tin foil and chased them using a 20 pound note the drug kicks in right away and leaves u with a mellow buzz for 2 hours straight its best too sit around whilst smoking his shit cause it makes your chest heavy and makes breathing more difficult
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I was under the impression HCL couldn't be smoked?

A bit like trying to smoke powder cocaine? Ie: a complete waste?
 
Cornishman said:
I was under the impression HCL couldn't be smoked?

A bit like trying to smoke powder cocaine? Ie: a complete waste?
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Smoking powdered coke is not a complete waste,it is mostly wasteful a small percentage of cocaine get into the blood, don't ask me the how's and whys, it was popular among mates in NYC who had access to penny of coke and money, they put it in joints, it hits quicker than sniffing but is not as pleasant.
 
Lumme, this thread enjoys a resurrection. I'd forgotten 'Life Suspended' and what brought me to he site till I clicked the link. The first reply came from somebody suggesting I tried poppy tea, which made me wonder, but, although at times a little tired'n'emotional, what I wrote then remains essentially true. Drug Treatment stumbles between medical and socio-legal concerns and is generally a horrible mess. We are all to blame, apparently.

To answer questions over a year old,.while there are 'wet' morphine ampoules, all diamorphine prescribed for injection in the UK is now in the form of freeze dried - or, as it says on the label, lyophilisate - ampoules. In a rather blatant example of the influence of the pharmaceutical multinationals, government specifically prohibits its dispensation in other form for injection and the RIOTT trials required special exemption to use supplies manufactured at a fraction of the cost.

I've never seen a 3000ml dry amp over here; there is a 500mg dose and the 10mg, 30mg or 100mg are in general use. The patient snaps open the glass vial and adds cold water instantly to dissolve the compacted powder into a clear solution. The powder may be removed and snorted but the moisture in the air will dissolve it within minutes and consumption needs to be fairly immediate. I've never tried but doubt it can be smoked. You can of course s/c it into arm or butt without difficulty or risk.

I quite agree. Physoconaut. The idea of waiting until someone is drowning before offering a lifejacket seems quite absurd. But real or manufactured pressure of opinion means drug liberals must tread carefully. The origins of anti-heroin hysteria are probably primeval and a punishment society can send its members as nutty as fruitcakes

Here, 16 months after our '2nd opinions', we still receive our scripts but were not returned the 10-20% we lost before the NTA/DAAT interventions. Our weekly pick-ups are also a thing of the past. The provider lost the contract when it came up for tender and their replacement has just moved in. Later developments made it clear the 'compulsory reductions' were a local initiative and the scheme of the consultant and business manager. Claims of 'orders from above' seem to have been false and Addaction may have been guilty only of an excessive loyalty to their employees. While the business manager was swiftly moved on, the consultant stays on under the terms of ''topes' employment legislation. Initially apologetic, he soon regained his hard-line stance when the dust settled and continues to insist it's irresponsible for him to prescribe and to let us know he's in charge. The one user whose 2nd opinion went against him had his script quickly removed and remains in the city's Addenbrooke's hospital with septicemia and other infections caused by street drugs. We hope in time the inexperienced consultant will review his idea of what his responsibilities should involve. Until then, we're dependent on both opiates and the vigilance of the reasonable.

Looking back, I was treated to a rare victim's eye view of what happens when a group of people are given licence to indulge their prejudices against a 'type.' It was a sobering insight into how ordinary, 'decent' men and women can behave when 'society' condones it. Not only are drug users denied the protection in law extended toward other minorities but Treatment structures allow the determined both an undue influence and a considerable capacity for abuse. I truly hope you'll never experience what we went through. From what I read and hear, 'encouragement to abstinence' is the fashion nationwide; when it joins the rest of the failed initiatives on the scrapheap of treatment history, something sensible may result. Life is good and more or less back to normal but I'll never forget my 'addict' group identity again.
 
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OK, I'm a bit of a n00b when it comes to opiates in general so bear with me... I Have 5 vials of 5mg Diamorphine hydrochloride powder solution for injection. Bearing in mind i've never done H will 15 mg IV be enough for decent effects?
 
Certainly. Indeed, if you've never taken heroin before, you'll find 10 mg or two of your amps more than adequate and 15mg probably a little too strong.

If you don't mind my asking, I'm curious whether your 5mg ampoules are from a non-UK prescription or an overpriced purchase from an online pharmacy. (I've seen the adverts and wondered whether heroin would be forthcoming) Whichever, enjoy.
 
charlie clean said:
Certainly. Indeed, if you've never taken heroin before, you'll find 10 mg or two of your amps more than adequate and 15mg probably a little too strong.

If you don't mind my asking, I'm curious whether your 5mg ampoules are from a non-UK prescription or an overpriced purchase from an online pharmacy. Whichever, enjoy.
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No, they're on UK prescription. Bit of a tragic story as to how they came to be in my possession to be honest. Someone close to me was on end of life care and prescribed it along with a powerful sedative. Unfortunately he is no longer with us and this was left over. I was told by the nurse to return it to a chemist so they can dispose of it but this slipped my mind...
 
The chemist would only destroy them, waste not. The 'reduced dosage' ampoules seem increasingly prescribed for terminal pain management. I hope it's at patient request and not because doctors are scared off by the blanket publicity given to any prescription drug overdose. A terrible thought that end-life patients may be reluctant to take 'double' and in consequence suffer unnecessary pain.
 
Have all the writers from "that" era been hounded, declared insane, died , commited hari kari , gone on a cruise with a young girl and never come back ( my personal fav. ) or what ?

Waves at a certain person ;)
 
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