Diabetes type 1 and drugs

[YaniCZka]

Hello there. I have been recently diagnosed with diabetes type one (i need insuline shots a few times per day). i was told by doctors that alcohol is very dangerous as it may couse hypoglycemia (low blood sugar levels). unfortunatelly doctors dont tell you much about narcotics. well they may but i am not gonna ask them I wonder if anybody here has experiences with various drugs and diabetes and how they affect the illness and sugar levels. i am interested in stimulants (xtc, speed, mephedrone, 4-fa, mdpv, mpa), gbl, ketamine and mxe. thanks for any input. also if anybody has any tip on how to manage alcohol as diabetic it would be cool too

 

[JackiesBabyy]

Hello there. I have been recently diagnosed with diabetes type one (i need insuline shots a few times per day). i was told by doctors that alcohol is very dangerous as it may couse hypoglycemia (low blood sugar levels). unfortunatelly doctors dont tell you much about narcotics. well they may but i am not gonna ask them I wonder if anybody here has experiences with various drugs and diabetes and how they affect the illness and sugar levels. i am interested in stimulants (xtc, speed, mephedrone, 4-fa, mdpv, mpa), gbl, ketamine and mxe. thanks for any input. also if anybody has any tip on how to manage alcohol as diabetic it would be cool too

I've heard that amphetamines can cause temporary hyperglycemia, but don't quote me on that.

 

[mrflowers00]

all i know is my gpa has diabetes and has no problems taking opioid/opiates

 

[Beachcat]

I really don't know about drugs, but alcohol will wreak absolute havoc with your blood sugar. I am not sure how old you are, but over time the effects of uncontrolled diabetes are severe and permanent....blindness, kidney failure, loss of limbs even are common after years of high blood sugar and insulin ups and downs...do yourself a favor and steer clear of alcohol....

Ps...I am sorry you are having to deal with this at all, it is a hard road!

 

[KAYLA2010]

I have diabetes and the worst drugs will be are meth/amphetamine, alcohol, seroquel..the rest are bad but those make my sugar spike..They tell you more in the classes you will take..

Sorry about your diagnosis it's hard good luck!

 

[BiggDirty01]

As a fellow type-1 diabetic, let me reiterate just how toxic alcohol is to us. Even the clear alcohol's that lower blood sugar are bad due to the organ damage it causes.

As far as narcotics, Uppers that tend to cause dehydration are very suspect because of the resulting rehydration usually coming in the form of gatorade-type beverages. MDMA has never given me problems, but I've only used it a handful of times.

Psychodelics are relatively harmless as long as hydration is maintained during usage.

I've been on opiates RX and non-RX for the last 6 years almost with no effects on my glucose numbers. Ditto with marijuana (unless you count the munchies minus a healthy supply of insulin a serious health concern LOL!).

Sorry I can't be more specific in terms of the biology here, but I also suffer from graves disease and that is usually the main concern for me with substance abuse as I am pretty good with monitoring/dosing my short acting and long acting insulin.

Feel free to PM me if you have more questions or wish to discuss more.

 

[YaniCZka]

Thank you all for your replies. It is really fucked up situation, I am in my late twenties, slim, with good diet and healthy, so this came out of nowhere, even doctors were surprised... they dont talk about drugs, because of course when they asked me i told them i dont do any...

 

[KAYLA2010]

Ya I'm 23 and it came out I no where and I'm slim too it sucks ...

And to top it off it I drink alcohol I get severe all over body pain... It happens after a few sips of any alcoholic beverages..

 

[Zarathustra1313]

Just turned 30 and was diagnosed with type 1 when I was 13.

First off type 1 has nothing to do with being slim or not. It's a genetic disorder and there is nothing you could have done to prevent it. Some say stress/trauma/etc could make it appear earlier but I don't buy into that personally.

Type 2 is most certainly related to being overweight as really, type 2 diabetes is nothing more than a reduction in insulin sensitivity caused by the excess fat and/or the pancreas simply not being able to produce the amounts necessary to keep blood glucose levels in the proper range.

Personally I disdain the fact type 2 diabetes is even called that. Since it occurrs at about a 10/1 ratio to type 1, most people think that I caused my affliction by eating poorly or that I ate too much sugar when I was a kid. What ignorance.

To the diabetics who are mirroring the described ignorance outlined above.... What's with that? Are you being treated by a general physician and not a properly trained endocrenologist? I ask because any Dr that specialized in diabetes wouldn't let you think for even a second that you had anything to do with your disease.

So now that I'm done with my beetus rant.

I found no negative effect either hypo/hyper glycemia when I used opiates (Vicodin/Percocet/fentanyl/OxyContin/heroin) that I could link directly to the use of those drugs. Perhaps a very slight reduction to me feeling low. But this is just my thoughts, never really noticed anything specific. I had been using heroin at about .5g-1g/day for the past 2.5y too if that gives you any idea how much dope I was sniffing.

Now with stimulants (adderall/meth) since I wasn't eating and was drinking lots of water I notice I may get hypo more often if I'm being very active. But again this wasn't from using just a secondary reaction to the drugs effects.

 

[YaniCZka]

To the diabetics who are mirroring the described ignorance outlined above.... What's with that? Are you being treated by a general physician and not a properly trained endocrenologist? I ask because any Dr that specialized in diabetes wouldn't let you think for even a second that you had anything to do with your disease.

yeah, i was told the same by the doctors but still, if you say diabetes to normal person they always think poor diet / being fat but that is not the case and it drives me nuts so i am always emphesizing the fact that i really got it out of nowhere. Before I was diagnosed with it I was feeling like shit for weeks but would never expect this. I found out about it because i had taken too much gbl and colapsed at the party and first aid guy asked me whether i got diabetes or not because my suger levels were fucked up. after that i went to see my doctor about it and boom, she sent me straight to intens care unit and i spent there 2 weeks (when i got there i had 35 mmol/L sugar level) . haha, i guess that for once gbl overdose saved somebody´s life. because otherwise i would have not gone to see the doctor at all...

Hmm, so it seems some people get hypo on stims and some say that it actually increases the sugar levels... I will be at the festival, dancing quite hard and drinking water, so i guess hypo is more probable for me too. i will have lots of sugar on me then... thanks again for all the replies.

 

[Zarathustra1313]

Your OD had nothing to do with your diabetes and that sickness you were feeling for weeks, that's called DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) or at least the beginnings of it.

DKA is what happens shortly after our pancreases have stopped producing enough insulin to keep our glucose in normal ranges. Then because our bodies aren't getting the energy it needs from insulin converting carbs/sugars it starts to break down/burn fatty acids to get its fuel. Well a nasty byproduct of burning fatty acids Is the production of ketone bodies that are very acidic.

The above description is the simple explination of the only way one can truely die from diabetes, and not a complication due to diabetes.

I had DKA once, turned out I had been taking insulin that was bad (didn't work like it should) and that was probably the worst I have felt in my life. Violent vomiting of stomach bile/nothing every 3-5 minutes for ~16h. I just thought I had the flu or something and was too out of it to realize how bad it really was. My mother found me on the floor of my room hallucinating after the 16h and called 911. When the ambulance got me to the ER they said that on the hydration scale that I believe was out of 16, I was a 4! That's right I only had 1/4 the water in my body of a normal person. My blood was black and they couldn't even get a glucose level from me till after they ran 6 bags of fluid through the IV's I had in each arm, yes I had two IV's going. Problem is when your that dehydrated the last thing you want to do is the first thing you want to do, slam as much water as possible! That could actually kill you. Since they took all the cups/vessels that could hold water from my room I soaked a towel and sucked the water off of it, only took two-three sucks and I began vomiting like a psycho!

Please guys, find a specialist (endocrinologist) to treat you. They are the only ones that truely know this disease enough to treat you properly

 

[YaniCZka]

Your OD had nothing to do with your diabetes and that sickness you were feeling for weeks, that's called DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) or at least the beginnings of it.

I ODed from GBL not from DKA. They treated me for DKA at intense care but mine was not so bad as yours - I was working and living normally, just feeling like shit. Not treated diabetes coused it - I had hyperglycemia for too long. But back to my question about drugs and diabetes:
GBL - not coused any change in sugar levels, I dont know about acidification though, I read that can be problem for diabetics, so as usual, treat it carefully.
Ketamine - no change in sugar levels, but read online somewhere that some diabetic girl got DKA, they could not find reason and then they found ketamine in her blood, which may coused it. So again, treat carefully.
Mephedrone, 4-MEC, 4-FA, speed - I kept dosing every 2 hours, was dancing really hard for 10 hours, took half dose of prescribed insuline and ate sugar regulary and all was fine, actully first day without hypo for me since I left hospital lol so I guess if one is careful and checks their sugar levels often they can still have at least this kind of fun. Stay safe!
MXE - also no change, but as usual, your reaction may be different, so be careful