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Desmethyl fentanyl

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jonboy1513

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Can someone explain to me more about this research chemical? It's legal status in the US? And why is this drug not appearing more on the streets?
 
It's illegal in the US as a schedule 1 drug. People have been prosecuted for distributing it. Also it has a low therapeutic index, lower than plain fentanyl... and it's hard to dose properly.
 
sekio said:
It's illegal in the US as a schedule 1 drug. People have been prosecuted for distributing it. Also it has a low therapeutic index, lower than plain fentanyl... and it's hard to dose properly.
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I recall reading a DEA official saying it's definitely an analog and would be prosecuted as such, but I believe the people that have been prosecuted because of it were prosecuted for the deaths of people they sold to, not for possession/distribution of the drug itself. A quick search supported that view, but are you aware of anyone actually being prosecuted for possession or distribution of AF specifically? That wouldn't include anyone who was prosecuted for selling it but presenting it as something else, which is a slightly different charge.

Edit: Just because a higher-up in the DEA says its an analog doesn't necessarily mean a judge would agree. I think a good enough attorney could get someone out of a simple possession or PWI as long as nobody died.
 
The article doesn't mention what his exact charges were. He was selling as heroin according to the article. Selling anything as a scheduled drug is a separate charge from selling a scheduled drug. I couldn't find other articles that clarified that point. He could have been charged with selling [something] as a scheduled drug, which in most states carries the same sentence as selling the drug itself; however, if it is true that AF has been scheduled, he could have been charged with regular ol' possession with intent to distribute. He could also have been charged under the Federal Analog Act, which would be tantamount to AF having become a Schedule I drug, since he was in Federal court.

Sorry to nitpick, but I've been wondering when the axe would fall on AF, and want to be sure of the details.

I'll look around later for articles supporting either the scheduling of AF or its acceptance by the courts as an analog.
 
Selling anything as a scheduled drug is a separate charge from selling a scheduled drug.
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Is it? I thought in the states it wasn't and they could very well prosecute you for selling anything and purporting it was a controlled substance.

I'm sorry, I think you're dreaming if you think that acetylfentanyl (and butyrylfentanyl, acrylfentanyl et cetera) are anything but illegal under the Fed analog act... remember it was first introduced to deal with fentanyl analogues!
 
sekio said:
Is it? I thought in the states it wasn't and they could very well prosecute you for selling anything and purporting it was a controlled substance.
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I'm not sure about other states' or Federal laws, but the first example I found of this was in Connecticut. http://www.jud.ct.gov/JI/criminal/part8/8.1-12.htm
CT Criminal Code 8.1-12 Misrepresenting Substance as Controlled -- § 21a-268: The defendant is charged [in count __] with misrepresentation of a substance as a controlled substance. The statute defining this offense imposes punishment on any person who knowingly delivers or attempts to deliver a noncontrolled substance <insert appropriate subsection:>

§ 21a-268 (a) (1): upon the express representation that such substance is a controlled substance.

§ 21a-268 (a) (2): under circumstances which would lead a reasonable person to believe that such substance is a controlled substance.
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I don't know if the penalties are the same, but CT has pretty reasonable drug laws, so I can easily see more draconian states having such laws on the books.

sekio said:
I'm sorry, I think you're dreaming if you think that acetylfentanyl (and butyrylfentanyl, acrylfentanyl et cetera) are anything but illegal under the Fed analog act... remember it was first introduced to deal with fentanyl analogues!
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If only I were dreaming...ah. No, I was just ignorant of that fact. I guess I should do some reading on the history of the Fed Analog Act. In retrospect, it makes more sense than the FAA being created to stomp out some psychedelics. If that is the case, then we'll definitely see some prosecutions for that. Thanks for correcting my ignorance, I thought the prosecutions were solely made because of the rash of overdoses.
 
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