Mental Health Depression as an adaptation for analyzing complex problems

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The following article argues that Depression is an adaption for analyzing problems developed through natural selection. It is also argued that there is actually a serotonin overflow and that some medications may delay the outcome. If you are interrested and are not shy of reading long articles, like 43 printed pages long 8(, please continue.

- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2734449/

Take it with a grain of salt. I find it reasonable and you never know what is fake or false reporting...
 
Sounds ridiculous to me.
Depression means you need to change something in your life (start exercising, build a social network and such) or that you have a chemical imbalance such as unipolar depression.

Ruminating is very unhealthy and does not solve problems, you cant self-analyse.
 
Sounds ridiculous to me.
Depression means you need to change something in your life (start exercising, build a social network and such) or that you have a chemical imbalance such as unipolar depression.

Ruminating is very unhealthy and does not solve problems, you cant self-analyse.

QFT

There may be some connection with depression, and the mental states it brings along correlating with an enhanced ability to solve complex problems, but at some point depression and rumination leads to more depression, and its fucking hard to solve any problems, let alone complex ones when your heavily depressed.
 
Not true, I've managed to do some pretty complex things while depressed, most notably, I got out of bed today. Tomorrow, complex maneuvers 102, trying to face my shitty life.

OP, no offense, just sucking at life in general today.
 
Well I have major depression myself and I can correlate with this theory. By doing exercises and beeing social you are getting better for the moment, maybe the long run, too, but at least for me it isn't necesserly helpful. I have been doing trips to the forest, walking around nature and I have to say that my mood totally changed. Also I notice that there always seem to be racing thoughts.

This article quotes really well and there seems to be some evidence that it might be true. It says that you have to do something for yourself and what you can do, such as writing a journal about your problems, therapy, avoiding negative evironmental elements like TV, drugcs a.s.o..

One the one side it sound rediculous, but on the other it makes sense. Like the two major problemfields are social dilemma (you know the problems and have solutions, but you can't solve them) and avoidable stressors such as TV, Internet, drugs, job etc. I like the idea of the of the Working Memory (WM) and the consequences it has. During the therapies I did every psychotherapist told me, that they are there to help me find a solution to my problems, which is the same as the article quotes. Maybe you can give me some quotes, about other theories I don't know about, which make sense in your opinion.


P.S.: By doing exercises and being social active, you might be solving your problems. Depression is thought to be part of a problem you are not able to figure out on your own. Many people show depressive symptoms, but are not necesserly depressive. As the article states the AR is a evolutionary adaption developed through selection. It still is helpful for most people, only the ones, which can't solve their problems are screwed. Komplex problems are not necessary komplex, because they might be easy solved by person a, while person b goes crazy...
Being less intelligent, the social circumstances, young age and avoidable behaviour might lead to depression or at least intensify the episode.
 
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Being less intelligent, the social circumstances, young age and avoidable behaviour might lead to depression or at least intensify the episode.

Correct me if im wrong here (and not just the op, anybody lol) being more intelligent actually correllates with a higher risk for not just depression but many other mental health problems.

Just sayin..
 
It depends... I think people with a very low IQ seems to tend to get more depressive, because they have a really hard time understanding and adopting stuff. There are also a lot of people being really smart, who are stuck in their dilemmas or "endless-thought-loops".

Well intelligence is hard to define, because people are often specialized in certain areas. After the AR theory people tend to think more analytical, reducing all other brain functions => being smart??? I don't know.

In my case I am overthinking to much like: Things I do lead to changes => How do they affect me, my suroundings, the living beings around me? => What consequences does it have now, in the future? => Will it be helpful or may I have a disadvantage later on? => ...

It is like a game of chess. You have to think before you take actions, which is impossible for me, at least now. I am having a hard enough time to think and speak english since it never has been my mother tongue from the beginning.
 
I see depression as a consequence for failing to step out of your comfort zone.
 
I like to say that if something terrible happens, I'd rather be me than someone else. I may not cope with stress well, but I have almost certainly spent time thinking about everything that could possibly go wrong with this plan already.

So, you know, I'm prepared for the something terrible.
 
Just my 2 cent's (short version):



"In summary, we hypothesize that depression is a stress response mechanism: (1) that is triggered by analytically difficult problems that influence important fitness-related goals; (2) that coordinates changes in body systems to promote sustained analysis of the triggering problem, otherwise known as depressive rumination; (3) that helps people generate and evaluate potential solutions to the triggering problem; and (4) that makes tradeoffs with other goals in order to promote analysis of the triggering problem, including reduced accuracy on laboratory tasks. Collectively, we refer to this suite of claims as the analytical rumination (AR) hypothesis...



...In short, CBT, EBA and IPT are effective psychotherapies for depression, and a common feature is that they attempt to identify and help solve problems that depressed patients face. Unlike medications, they have enduring effects even after treatment has ended. Applying the principle that treating the cause of a psychological condition works better than treating a sign or symptom of it, this research suggests that depressive episodes are not usually caused by negative cognitions, but rather by problems that people have difficulty solving on their own...



...Summary
The distraction-resistant analysis of problem-related information that occurs in depressive rumination requires sustained left VLPFC activity. Based in part on evidence that behavioral depression causes sustained 5-HT release to the rodent homologue of the VLPFC and maintains neuronal activity there, we predict that brain 5-HT is high in human depression, not low. The sustained release of 5-HT to the VLPFC should promote the production of astrocytic lactate, sustain neuronal firing, and reduce apoptosis by supporting the clearance of synaptic glutamate...



...Perhaps more so than other painful emotions, people in the evolutionary past must have had to learn how to endure extended periods of depression. A complex problem, for instance, resists simple solution, and depressive pain persists despite attempts to quickly solve it. We suggest that when facing complex problems, organisms must learn to stop trying to quickly resolve their pain with simple solutions, accept a slower, analytical approach to problem-solving, and learn how to endure the pain until the problem is solved. The extended nature of depressive pain is useful. Without it, people would not be motivated to engage in the extended effort required to solve complex problems, and the pain should cease once the problem is solved. But another reason why it is important to learn to endure depressive pain is that people facing social dilemmas may anticipate further long-term pain if the best solutions require making tradeoffs (e.g., people contemplating divorce may lose children, money and home by leaving, and face continued marital problems by staying). Thus, effective decision-making will require accepting and enduring the pain that persists during analysis and the subsequent anticipated pain that arises from different courses of action...


...In ancestral environments, there were probably few ways to bypass this learning process. The persistence of depressive pain despite attempts to quickly resolve it would eventually force the organism to adopt a slow problem-solving approach and learn how to accept and endure the pain. Learning may also be facilitated through interaction with close social partners, who demonstrate or encourage the acceptance of depressive pain. Yet in modern environments, there are many ways to temporarily reduce depressive pain without solving the complex triggering problem (e.g., drugs, alcohol, distracting activities like television, etc.). Blanket statements by professionals, pharmaceutical companies, and the media that depression is a disorder may also interfere with the learning process and promote avoidant behaviors...



...The AR hypothesis proposes that avoidant behaviors: (a) bypass the process by which people learn to endure painful feelings that persist when taking a slow, analytical problem-solving approach and that arise as a consequence of considering and making tradeoffs; (b) are a maladaptive byproduct of the evolved propensity to take action that quickly reduces pain; and (c) occur in environments where the means to engage in avoidant behavior are available. It predicts that depressed people are more likely to use avoidant behaviors: (1) when they face difficult social dilemmas (because they are more likely to face painful tradeoffs that they will want to avoid); (2) in their adolescent years (because they have had less opportunity to learn how to deal with depressive feelings); (3) when they have close social partners who also engage in avoidant behaviors (because learning to be avoidant or non-avoidant is socially transmitted, in part); (4) if they feel depression and anxiety more intensely (because such people will feel greater urgency to reduce the pain quickly and be less tolerant of the learning process); and (5) if they are less intelligent (because their learning process will be slower and less efficient)."



- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2734449/
 
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