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Decreasing interest in sex

That might just be another phase 😈... But jokes aside. I'm very sorry for what you experienced. BPD is a terribly destructive disease including for anyone involved with the person. If it can't be treated successfully you have little options to maintain a healthy relationship. That's just a fact. I hope you can look back with compassion one day and just wish for her best, without getting involved again...
Edit: and then maybe something inside you can open up for someone new. Maybe what you've been through can eventually be of use then, like noticing early when toxicity starts... Best of luck to you anyway 🙏
You know, now I'm flirting with a young girl who has serious PTSD issues and has ghosted me for almost a month, so in a way it's not like I got better, seems that I'm falling into similar "traps" again, I don't want to think this, but I will obviously cut all contact with this girl if she doesn't explain to me fully what was the reason of doing that, not just because "she was feeling bad emotionally"...
I like challenges, but I don't like people who doesn't respect you.
the thing is that she came full force, and now I feel helpless... it's like she seems to know exactly what she is doing,
 
Got a bit late to reply but still..

There are lots of mental poisons around. Anything that tends to stick in your thoughts without your approval and bothers you. Or all the bad ideas you catch from various sources... (Yes also drugs curiosity and desires). Porn can be that but I would say not necessarily always.

Let's be honest - who'd prefer a picture of what you want to the real thing? Aside from reasons like anxiety or lack of confidence..

Now that doesn't make too much sense to me tbh. If I'm horny and want sex, why would I prefer taking a drug if I could also get what I want? If the only purpose of sex was to relax and enjoy randomly then only that would make sense ...

Sex can be with or without love. Those are different things to talk about
yep man, whatever.. but the thing is that for some people, I know we belong to a minority, sex without love feels odd, I did it more than once but I dislike it so much I have avoided since... so perhaps it's not that much that people don't love each other respecting sex only but more in general terms, people it's not loving enough, so that makes human relationships less intense and less oriented to honest affection. Maybe it's just myself having bad luck lately with knowing/meeting new people but I felt there's some kind of societal change, that started around 2011-12
For some reason, for me sex it's relaxing in the sense that I feel that it deepens the bond with my gf or my FWB... but it never "relaxed" me if it was an total stranger that I just met.. perhaps I'm just strange.
 
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You know, now I'm flirting with a young girl who has serious PTSD issues and has ghosted me for almost a month, so in a way it's not like I got better, seems that I'm falling into similar "traps" again, I don't want to think this, but I will obviously cut all contact with this girl if she doesn't explain to me fully what was the reason of doing that, not just because "she was feeling bad emotionally"...
I like challenges, but I don't like people who doesn't respect you.
the thing is that she came full force, and now I feel helpless... it's like she seems to know exactly what she is doing,
I see .. does she also take drugs? I might be wrong not knowing her, but it doesn't sound like she knows what she's doing... Or she's having very obscure/childish ideas about men/relationships. And IF it was intentional (which is likely imo) you're definitely better off without her.
Ik this is a very personal thing, and there's no need to answer here, but are you aware of what you're looking for in a partner? Cause we all have certain patterns of what attracts us to someone. That image or the features are called your "Anima", for women it's usually an "Animus", the ideal partner for your desires(!) not what you might consciously be looking for. And this Anima/Animus is not necessarily a good person...
Just use your phantasy and paint it. On paper or just in your head. They might look different at different times but you WILL notice what they all have in common eventually.. It might be helpful to be aware of this.
 
I see .. does she also take drugs? I might be wrong not knowing her, but it doesn't sound like she knows what she's doing... Or she's having very obscure/childish ideas about men/relationships. And IF it was intentional (which is likely imo) you're definitely better off without her.
Ik this is a very personal thing, and there's no need to answer here, but are you aware of what you're looking for in a partner? Cause we all have certain patterns of what attracts us to someone. That image or the features are called your "Anima", for women it's usually an "Animus", the ideal partner for your desires(!) not what you might consciously be looking for. And this Anima/Animus is not necessarily a good person...
Just use your phantasy and paint it. On paper or just in your head. They might look different at different times but you WILL notice what they all have in common eventually.. It might be helpful to be aware of this.
Yeah man...
in fact her PTSD is because she was raped when she was young, and lost a child (of that same event) when she was a child (almost a child) so yep, things are very very fucked up with her past and that's the reason why I "keep trusting " her, because it makes sense that she has an avoidant attachment style....
so,.. it's obscure and "childish", yeah, probably it is, but I do like her a lot, I think she is very worth it, I think this is the type of girl who will trust you for life if you win her heart, my intuition tells me that.
well I didn't dig very deep into Jungian ideas about relationships, but perhaps it's a good idea to start doing it.
 
yep man, whatever.. but the thing is that for some people, I know we belong to a minority, sex without love feels odd, I did it more than once but I dislike it so much I have avoided since... so perhaps it's not that much that people don't love each other respecting sex only but more in general terms, people it's not loving enough, so that makes human relationships less intense and less oriented to honest affection. Maybe it's just myself having bad luck lately with knowing/meeting new people but I felt there's some kind of societal change, that started around 2011-12
For some reason, for me sex it's relaxing in the sense that I feel that it deepens the bond with my gf or my FWB... but it never "relaxed" me if it was an total stranger that I just met.. perhaps I'm just strange.
What's FWB?
I agree on the general tendency to more social distance. But it's still possible to overcome it individually.
For me, and I'm definitely not the only one, sex without love doesn't feel safe. Because it is an intimate act after all that comes with a certain vulnerability. You don't want to hear mean things from a person you slept with, so there should be some trust beforehand. That's a simple basic lesson and probably for women even more essential than for men. "I want to be safe in your arms" expresses it quite clearly..
The other thing is the desire related version. The thrill of it so to say. And here people are really different in what they are looking for. But once you know what that is, it might be some sort of setting that works better with someone you're not too close to....
 
Yeah man...
in fact her PTSD is because she was raped when she was young, and lost a child (of that same event) when she was a child (almost a child) so yep, things are very very fucked up with her past and that's the reason why I "keep trusting " her, because it makes sense that she has an avoidant attachment style....
so,.. it's obscure and "childish", yeah, probably it is, but I do like her a lot, I think she is very worth it, I think this is the type of girl who will trust you for life if you win her heart, my intuition tells me that.
well I didn't dig very deep into Jungian ideas about relationships, but perhaps it's a good idea to start doing it.
OK. If that's the case I wish you the best of luck. You have a vision you want to follow, then go for it. And I hope you'll have the strength to pull through , as well as the courage to accept failure if it happened 🙏
✅ It's never bad to do some self-reflection along the way
Good luck! 🤞🍀🤞
 
What's FWB?
I agree on the general tendency to more social distance. But it's still possible to overcome it individually.
For me, and I'm definitely not the only one, sex without love doesn't feel safe. Because it is an intimate act after all that comes with a certain vulnerability. You don't want to hear mean things from a person you slept with, so there should be some trust beforehand. That's a simple basic lesson and probably for women even more essential than for men. "I want to be safe in your arms" expresses it quite clearly..
The other thing is the desire related version. The thrill of it so to say. And here people are really different in what they are looking for. But once you know what that is, it might be some sort of setting that works better with someone you're not too close to....
Friends with Benefits
I don't particularly like the concept or the "reality" asscociated but it would be something that I probably would accept temporarily, a friend of mine or someone I want to know deeply and we share also sex till something bigger comes along the way, for me it wouldn't be like an "stationary" relationship of uncertainty, but a intermediate way to something else, so to speak.
I'm not sure that I really "know" what I'm looking for, I have some "ideas" but that doesn't mean a lot, as for example, I got in love with this girl because I saw "something" in her and wasn't expecting it at all, I know that a lot of people would run from her because of her issues but it's not like I want to date her due to her issues, that's not the case either.
The thing is that meeting new people is harder and harder once you get older, now I'm 35 and I'm "new" here (where i'm living) and I can tell you this is crazy hard....I need to find some musical place or something like that (I'm a jazz musician).
yeah, that "to be safe in your arms" says a lot, I do miss it in fact, to hold someone in my arms, I just imagined it... fuck solitude, but you know, I'm the one making it complicated, if I didn't "chase" an avoidant I would probably find a "normal" girl sooner or later, but it's difficult for me to "select", it's more like the "magical" and unexpected, to me, love at first sight.
 
Friends with Benefits
I don't particularly like the concept or the "reality" asscociated but it would be something that I probably would accept temporarily, a friend of mine or someone I want to know deeply and we share also sex till something bigger comes along the way, for me it wouldn't be like an "stationary" relationship of uncertainty, but a intermediate way to something else, so to speak.
I'm not sure that I really "know" what I'm looking for, I have some "ideas" but that doesn't mean a lot, as for example, I got in love with this girl because I saw "something" in her and wasn't expecting it at all, I know that a lot of people would run from her because of her issues but it's not like I want to date her due to her issues, that's not the case either.
The thing is that meeting new people is harder and harder once you get older, now I'm 35 and I'm "new" here (where i'm living) and I can tell you this is crazy hard....I need to find some musical place or something like that (I'm a jazz musician).
yeah, that "to be safe in your arms" says a lot, I do miss it in fact, to hold someone in my arms, I just imagined it... fuck solitude, but you know, I'm the one making it complicated, if I didn't "chase" an avoidant I would probably find a "normal" girl sooner or later, but it's difficult for me to "select", it's more like the "magical" and unexpected, to me, love at first sight.
I see... And I don't think it's wrong to follow that magic. At the same time I personally am into the psychology thing really - and I can only recommend diving into it. No need to analyze every thought that comes up. I just found some striking realizations when I did (read about it). And I believe that can be helpful. So I would say follow your instinct and see with open eyes where it leads you, and maybe find the motivation behind - which might be something great like compassion, deep intuition - or something that has it's origin in your past. That's for you to find out if you're looking for it. And I wish you luck with your relationship by any means 🙏
 
You know, now I'm flirting with a young girl who has serious PTSD issues and has ghosted me for almost a month, so in a way it's not like I got better, seems that I'm falling into similar "traps" again, I don't want to think this, but I will obviously cut all contact with this girl if she doesn't explain to me fully what was the reason of doing that, not just because "she was feeling bad emotionally"...
I like challenges, but I don't like people who doesn't respect you.
the thing is that she came full force, and now I feel helpless... it's like she seems to know exactly what she is doing,
There's nothing wrong with dating partners who have personality disorders. There's nothing wrong with preferring relational sex over casual sex. There's nothing wrong with wanting to view romantic relationships as having some kind of spiritual journey or personal growth component.

I don't know you. I haven't seen your life. I look at how this thread started and I see this post and I see a pattern and I try to infer something about how you see yourself and how you make decisions. And I see also this:
yep man, whatever.. but the thing is that for some people, I know we belong to a minority, sex without love feels odd,
Reality check: About 47% of American adults are married. Enough of the remainder probably want to be that people preferring to be in committed relationships are probably not a minority. The numbers vary in other countries, but in most of the world people are more conservative. The CIA keeps track of the proportion of women (specifically) who are married by country, which shows similar figures:

I'm overanalyzing the point. The point is that it certainly isn't intuitively obvious and in fact it isn't even true that most people see casual sex as normal. What I'm getting at though is why you would believe this. A person's sense of identity has two parts: what they see themselves as being and where they see themselves as being: the second one is the world they think they inhabit. Who you think you are and the way you distinguish yourself, mentally, from what you see as normal are connected.

The picture coming together is of someone who sees himself as unusually cautious and empathetic in a world of promiscuous and lighthearted people. This isn't a common accusation of narcissism. Sometimes it is just personal history. People get into subcultures as they find themselves in the world and they may find themselves surrounded by people who act a certain way or enjoy certain things that are very different from the actual population median. They can come to see themselves in relation to that background instead of the "average". This is normal, because there is no real environment that mimics the broader world exactly; the world is a million weird little villages.

But my working hypothesis is: you think you are abnormal, even though you are not, and you feel safe with people who are discomforted by the world in ways that you think are similar to the way that you are discomforted by your world. There's an example in this thread: you expected another user to know what "FWB" means, even though they don't. In your past experiences, in whatever libertine milieu you mingled in your underage-drinking years, it was probably normal for people to know that. Not for everyone. For the people around you.

When people repeatedly find themselves dating partners who mistreat them, they are not to blame for those partners' actions. But in terms of raw probability, if you keep finding partners with BPD, PTSD, something else ending in "disorder", it probably isn't a complete accident. Some reflection is indicated.

A person's status quo self-image is sticky, particularly the world they inhabit. Sometimes, it's too sticky, even when they aren't happy with their own world-view. You know, obviously, there are people whose experience of romance is very much unlike your own. But you date people whose world is closed-off. It isn't really like your own. But it isn't calling out to you, either. And because of this, it doesn't challenge your world.

And that's why I came to think you're holding on to it.
 
There's nothing wrong with dating partners who have personality disorders. There's nothing wrong with preferring relational sex over casual sex. There's nothing wrong with wanting to view romantic relationships as having some kind of spiritual journey or personal growth component.

I don't know you. I haven't seen your life. I look at how this thread started and I see this post and I see a pattern and I try to infer something about how you see yourself and how you make decisions. And I see also this:

Reality check: About 47% of American adults are married. Enough of the remainder probably want to be that people preferring to be in committed relationships are probably not a minority. The numbers vary in other countries, but in most of the world people are more conservative. The CIA keeps track of the proportion of women (specifically) who are married by country, which shows similar figures:

I'm overanalyzing the point. The point is that it certainly isn't intuitively obvious and in fact it isn't even true that most people see casual sex as normal. What I'm getting at though is why you would believe this. A person's sense of identity has two parts: what they see themselves as being and where they see themselves as being: the second one is the world they think they inhabit. Who you think you are and the way you distinguish yourself, mentally, from what you see as normal are connected.

The picture coming together is of someone who sees himself as unusually cautious and empathetic in a world of promiscuous and lighthearted people. This isn't a common accusation of narcissism. Sometimes it is just personal history. People get into subcultures as they find themselves in the world and they may find themselves surrounded by people who act a certain way or enjoy certain things that are very different from the actual population median. They can come to see themselves in relation to that background instead of the "average". This is normal, because there is no real environment that mimics the broader world exactly; the world is a million weird little villages.

But my working hypothesis is: you think you are abnormal, even though you are not, and you feel safe with people who are discomforted by the world in ways that you think are similar to the way that you are discomforted by your world. There's an example in this thread: you expected another user to know what "FWB" means, even though they don't. In your past experiences, in whatever libertine milieu you mingled in your underage-drinking years, it was probably normal for people to know that. Not for everyone. For the people around you.

When people repeatedly find themselves dating partners who mistreat them, they are not to blame for those partners' actions. But in terms of raw probability, if you keep finding partners with BPD, PTSD, something else ending in "disorder", it probably isn't a complete accident. Some reflection is indicated.

A person's status quo self-image is sticky, particularly the world they inhabit. Sometimes, it's too sticky, even when they aren't happy with their own world-view. You know, obviously, there are people whose experience of romance is very much unlike your own. But you date people whose world is closed-off. It isn't really like your own. But it isn't calling out to you, either. And because of this, it doesn't challenge your world.

And that's why I came to think you're holding on to it.
A lot of wrong preassumptions in your thread, as it's so late here (2:52, not N.America) I just came here to read, but not write long answers, and this needs it, so I will reply to you tomorrow, let's begin with the fact that southwestern Europe is nothing like USA, like, not very similar at all, even if we are "humans" with a mind and a body which is not very different, there's very important cultural differences. I will try to explain tomorrow. Night night
 
I see... And I don't think it's wrong to follow that magic. At the same time I personally am into the psychology thing really - and I can only recommend diving into it. No need to analyze every thought that comes up. I just found some striking realizations when I did (read about it). And I believe that can be helpful. So I would say follow your instinct and see with open eyes where it leads you, and maybe find the motivation behind - which might be something great like compassion, deep intuition - or something that has it's origin in your past. That's for you to find out if you're looking for it. And I wish you luck with your relationship by any means 🙏
Today was a very strange strange day, I've seen her, but I'm not exactly sure what I've seen, but I received very potent energy from the rest of people, so it was very warming and reassuring, even if it was also "reassured" that she has serious doubts. I will explain tomorrow.
 
Reality check: About 47% of American adults are married. Enough of the remainder probably want to be that people preferring to be in committed relationships are probably not a minority. The numbers vary in other countries, but in most of the world people are more conservative. The CIA keeps track of the proportion of women (specifically) who are married by country, which shows similar figures:
I don't know about USA but Spain it's not a "conservative" country, it's in fact one of the most "woke" countries in the world, specially easy to notice in the youth, which I'm aiming (20-34). I would say 75-85% of the women of those ages it's "woke" in a very boring way, they haven't read a book in their life but they think they "know" better than you most typical political discussion there is, everything you can imagine. All the rest are mainly "niñas de papá" as we call them here, posh girls who have either read a few books and they are "conservative" also in a very boring way, religious in a very boring way (not taking it seriously, not mystical, not felt deep within their soul, not because they are born again christians or anything like that...
so your idea about "feeling that I'm different when actually I'm not" it's very very wrong,
I've know 0 girls who are: born again christians, and they like psychedelics, who don't like official Church, who are beyond the idea of "right/left" politics but have a based opinion on every matter that's important on human life, who have respect to others while actually empathizing with who thinks differently to them, who are not materialistic but are ambitious in terms of working towards their goals (goals not based in having a bigger home but getting better at music, for example). Honestly I haven't met anyone REMOTELY similar to what I'm listing here, so... I'm like everyone else?? everyone is "different"? I don't think so, I have the feeling that in USA the profile I'm searching woud be much more easy to find.

I recommend you to dive in dating apps in my country, and you'll see how sad this is. I'm not exaggerating. I would like to meet people in other ways, in fact i've tried for years, without meeting people as in my job it's difficult to find people, I'm one of the youngest one working there. I downloaded a dating app a couple days ago, and it's depressing, but it's also depressing realizing that's very complicated to meet new people here when you don't have a proper social circle.

But my working hypothesis is: you think you are abnormal, even though you are not, and you feel safe with people who are discomforted by the world in ways that you think are similar to the way that you are discomforted by your world. There's an example in this thread: you expected another user to know what "FWB" means, even though they don't. In your past experiences, in whatever libertine milieu you mingled in your underage-drinking years, it was probably normal for people to know that. Not for everyone. For the people around you.

When people repeatedly find themselves dating partners who mistreat them, they are not to blame for those partners' actions. But in terms of raw probability, if you keep finding partners with BPD, PTSD, something else ending in "disorder", it probably isn't a complete accident. Some reflection is indicated.
Well, there's a reason why I find this type of girls, I realized, a couple years ago, when about to end the relationship with my BPD ex that it's very likely that my mother has high functioning BPD and then I got "used" to that...so it's "familiar" to me, I would like to find partners without issues but I guess the "projection" it's about some social cues that I share that attract those with issues and not those without them.
I've never been in any "libertine mileau" in my underage or college years, in fact I thought FWB was a normal acronym in USA, as the expression "follamigos" is in Spain (understood also by people who are not into that).
There's some truths in the fact that normally people who have issues/traumas are "discomforted" by the world and I do prefer people who are "discomforted" by the world in one way or another and that's quite logical, as there's a lot of "positive" "good vibes" people who are too judgemental with those who are not as "sparkly" as they are, so they are not going to bear anyone without that same energy, so there' some logic behind looking for someone who are at least "different". I do not find a lot of different people to be honest.
A person's status quo self-image is sticky, particularly the world they inhabit. Sometimes, it's too sticky, even when they aren't happy with their own world-view. You know, obviously, there are people whose experience of romance is very much unlike your own. But you date people whose world is closed-off. It isn't really like your own. But it isn't calling out to you, either. And because of this, it doesn't challenge your world.
So how do you find someone who is different (to the standard I told you), not judgemental, not overly positive, but has not a "closed off" world and sticky self image and can challenge my world? I would like to, but nowadays seems idealistic to me.
 
About 47% of American adults are married. Enough of the remainder probably want to be that people preferring to be in committed relationships are probably not a minority. The numbers vary in other countries, but in most of the world people are more conservative. The CIA keeps track of the proportion of women (specifically) who are married by country, which shows similar figures:
This deserves a comment on its own.
It's not that people "marry" or prefer long relationships, it's much more complicated and subtle than that. What I think it happens is that people don't know each other really, loving is an art, not an intention. Have you read Erich Fromm's "Art of loving"? great book, so the basic idea is that loving it's a conscious effort, a sustained effort and honestly, younger generations seem pretty bad at doing anything that requires some sort of discipline, like for example trying to know each other properly... patience it's shorter every day. So it's about being in relationships because of who knows which reasons (a lot of times because it's convenient) or about learning how to love people properly?
 
I don't know about USA but Spain it's not a "conservative" country, it's in fact one of the most "woke" countries in the world, specially easy to notice in the youth, which I'm aiming (20-34). I would say 75-85% of the women of those ages it's "woke" in a very boring way, they haven't read a book in their life but they think they "know" better than you most typical political discussion there is, everything you can imagine. All the rest are mainly "niñas de papá" as we call them here, posh girls who have either read a few books and they are "conservative" also in a very boring way, religious in a very boring way (not taking it seriously, not mystical, not felt deep within their soul, not because they are born again christians or anything like that...
so your idea about "feeling that I'm different when actually I'm not" it's very very wrong,
I've know 0 girls who are: born again christians, and they like psychedelics, who don't like official Church, who are beyond the idea of "right/left" politics but have a based opinion on every matter that's important on human life, who have respect to others while actually empathizing with who thinks differently to them, who are not materialistic but are ambitious in terms of working towards their goals (goals not based in having a bigger home but getting better at music, for example). Honestly I haven't met anyone REMOTELY similar to what I'm listing here, so... I'm like everyone else?? everyone is "different"? I don't think so, I have the feeling that in USA the profile I'm searching woud be much more easy to find.

I recommend you to dive in dating apps in my country, and you'll see how sad this is. I'm not exaggerating. I would like to meet people in other ways, in fact i've tried for years, without meeting people as in my job it's difficult to find people, I'm one of the youngest one working there. I downloaded a dating app a couple days ago, and it's depressing, but it's also depressing realizing that's very complicated to meet new people here when you don't have a proper social circle.


Well, there's a reason why I find this type of girls, I realized, a couple years ago, when about to end the relationship with my BPD ex that it's very likely that my mother has high functioning BPD and then I got "used" to that...so it's "familiar" to me, I would like to find partners without issues but I guess the "projection" it's about some social cues that I share that attract those with issues and not those without them.
I've never been in any "libertine mileau" in my underage or college years, in fact I thought FWB was a normal acronym in USA, as the expression "follamigos" is in Spain (understood also by people who are not into that).
There's some truths in the fact that normally people who have issues/traumas are "discomforted" by the world and I do prefer people who are "discomforted" by the world in one way or another and that's quite logical, as there's a lot of "positive" "good vibes" people who are too judgemental with those who are not as "sparkly" as they are, so they are not going to bear anyone without that same energy, so there' some logic behind looking for someone who are at least "different". I do not find a lot of different people to be honest.

So how do you find someone who is different (to the standard I told you), not judgemental, not overly positive, but has not a "closed off" world and sticky self image and can challenge my world? I would like to, but nowadays seems idealistic to me.
I didn't realize you're from Spain... And it's sad that you're confiming what a Spanish university student once told me about stupid Spanish girls -;and that student was female herself, being very critical of her fellow country people... You probably have a point there in feeling "abnormal". All the more I wish you all the best for being with/finding the exception!
 
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