decisions and dishonesty

deep

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What is peace? Is it so much about Becoming Who I'd Like To Be, or more about Being Who I Am? Sometimes I wish the act of posing a rhetorical question would be enough for people to embrace the concepts contained within. But no. Bad things always have to happen before anyone sees incentive to change. You may believe...that nothing is wrong...until you're crying...you may believe...that life is so long...until you're dying...
Comments like "I have no one - that's okay, I'll handle it on my own"...mmmmmmhuh.
Who are you trying to convince when you say that? Me or you?
The more and more it's said, the less and less believeable it is. Things like that, aren't things that you have to prove. It just screams off your being and is never in question. If it is ever in question, maybe that's saying something...something that you don't listen to. And despite what you may believe, it doesn't command respect, but pity instead.
Independance is something that is inevitably picked up as people change from children to teenagers. What isn't quite so inevitable is the further evolution of our attitude towards not only ourselves but others as well.
Interdependance.
No "grown up" will ever say that they "need anybody" to exist or be happy. But at the same time, no "grown up" would be so foolish as to say that life is not enriched when shared with others. If this weren't true...why not just lock yourself up in an isolation tank? See how long you survive, you independant pillar of strength you! What color do you want your straight jacket in?
Interdependance isn't about giving up power over yourself. It's not saying you can't handle what life throws at you. It's not saying that you don't need anyone, either. Interdependance is not a weakness. It is a strength. It is not paralyzing. It is liberating.
How so? Well, let's look and see what stoicism has earned you so far. Economics applies to emotions too...you gotta give some to get some. Give nothing, get nothing. Tell others you don't need them...they may just believe you. But do you believe yourself? After a while you look around and feel as though no one is there for you. Whose decision was responsible for that?
Central to this is a question of honesty. Not only to others, but to ourselves. Acknowledging at both times we can be weak and strong, and that's okay, because that's humanity. Flawed and perfect at the same time. Strength doesn't come from only looking at the positive. Strength comes from being at peace with the negative.
Why not delude yourself, tell yourself that you're things you aren't? In effect, doing so makes one their own worst enemy. You value these unrealistic, inhumane images of yourself...and when you, as a human being, understandably don't always measure up to them....the descrepency between your expectations and reality crushes your self esteem. After all, is there any bigger idiot than the one who fails their own tests? Yes. The idiot who thinks the person is to blame, and not the unrealistic expectations.
You don't need anyone? Nothing could be further from the truth. You need, just as much as every other human being out there. You need to love and be loved. Others will sometimes deny you this love, but such is life. This is inevitable. What is NOT inevitable is whether or not you have a second opponent to deal with as well. Yourself. Do others deny your happiness, or do you deny it to yourself?
Peace is being honest with yourself. At both times, strength and weakness, need and satisfaction, independance and dependance, good and bad, love and pain. Balance.
Make no mistake, you have the power to choose to be honest with yourself, whether you acknowledge it or not. Just like you had the power to let your rage to consume you that night. You've always had the choice. So why hasn't it felt that way? Simple. You've been hurt and you've lost. You've had needs, and those needs have gone unfulfilled, and out of sheer frustration, you dismiss their existence because you're not even sure anymore if they can be filled.
In other words, a decision.
There is little else we can control in this world other than ourselves. While in certain circumstances, certain choices may be statistically more likely than others...you still have a choice. You still have that power. And even if you dismiss it or abandon it, you have, in effect, made a choice.
Are you the only one who has lost? The only one to have hurt? The answer to this question isn't about making your loss seem insignificant...all loss is significant. It's not to make you forget about yourself...because you can't. The answer to this question is to put things in perspective. To liberate you, not insult you. The thing you pick up as you go on, is that you realize that everyone is getting the same bowl of cold gruel from life to swallow. That the question isn't so much about whether or not you're getting fist fucked by reality, but instead, what you do after it. Do you pick yourself up and try to learn from the pain, or do you allow it to consume you? Where is the real cost of pain incurred? At the point of suffering, with whatever sting it may have at that moment in time...or when you allow it to change the way you live your life? What is the real tragedy? #1 happens to everyone. #2 doesn't.
Yes, you have the right to grieve after loss. But for how long? When does the rest of your life begin? Would those you lost want you to be emotionally dead as they are, or experience all that they no longer can?
The difference between being at war and peace with yourself is a decision. The difference between a victim and a survivor is a decision. The difference between the sadness you think you're cursed with, and the happiness that has always seemed so out of reach...is a decision.
Your decision.
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...someday you will need me
when you're falling in your hole
your disposition i'll remember
when i'm letting go...
...i'd love to be the one to
disappoint you
when i don't fall down...
 
Geez Deep, you know what is REALLY ironic????
I think like you write. I just can't get this stuff down on paper or summarized in a logical manner and when I try to explain it to people..........I get this stoned look back in return!!!
I thought up until a month ago I was completely happy with myself. Then an event happened, which made me realize that I was not so complete and happy after all.
Here I type now, feeling completely at peace once again.
GOD I LOVE LIFE!!!!!!!!
PLUR!!!!!!!1
 
Youre so right. Self honesty is the key. And it's never too late.
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"keep your words soft and sweet, for some day you may have to eat them"
 
Wow deep I am totally at a loss for words......you said some powerful things in that post and some that I could really relate too, and I would imagine most of us here at bluelight could relate to some of it more so for others tho....
I just want to thank you deep, you may have helped me in ways you dont even know about.
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Peace.......RuRu
 
Deep,
Wouldn't peace be being able to accept who you are right now and what you are feelling right now? Making it Ok to be at grief, to suffer, to be weak and sad? To accept these feelings without fighting?
Could it be that we are never at peace because we are always trying to get somewhere, to get better, to get richer, to get more loved, to love more...to fight this sadness, to fight this loneliness.
Should we just stop this quest? Should we stop one day and say "Well, I am fine now, I like who I am, I am good...I am tired of looking for something else, I want to enjoy it now, I want to be at peace with myself because if I don't I will never be satisfied".
Is it so or is this constant quest what we need? Should we rest a little?
ManiE
 
No one ever said you couldn't grieve. But when does the rest of your life begin? No one said you couldn't want. But is what you already have so worthless?
The point - lost in the verbosity - is about balance. Some people are more oblivious to this than others, so try not to take things in absolute terms but rather relative to your own vantage point in life.
 
yay yay yay. i like this thread
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wasted emotions - isn't that what it's all about? I'm one of those people who loses their wallet and is like "fuck. oh well. what's grieving about it going to do?"
I'm an excellent coper. I only cry when I fuck something up for myself and realize how i am truly accountable for all of my own actions.
I think you have to look at it thise way: Life is full of choices, right? And most of those choices are how you react to things you can't (and can) control. A lot of times things are just handed to you and you can't really control it. What you can control is the way you approach the situation and how you handle it.
Think about how much time and energy you've wasted over grieivng and crying over things you can't change. True, sometimes you need those times in order to provide yourself with closure, but instead of bitching about things, be positive. Eh, it always helps for me.
 
I think the rest of your life begins when you are ready for it to begin. I am so like you, I have learned that life is difficult, for everybody, and that it is a good thing, and we must learn from it and grow from what we have learned.
However, my mom lost her dad almost a year ago. It is not such a big tragedy, he was very old, he did not suffer. But she can't get over it. When I see her crying (even if she hides in the bathroom..), when I feel that she is not good, I try to talk to her, to tell her that she should take care of herself, that everything is Ok..But she doesn't want to talk about it except when she says "It's Ok, I am fine, I need this, he was my dad, I miss him".
I have learned to let her suffer, because she has to go through it. There is nothing I can do myself. I don't know how long it will take but it will take the time it has to take. There is no balance here.
ManiE
 
Sigh.
Okay, ManiE, I recognize that you have obvious personal emotional investment into saying the things you are. I respect that. But again, I think you are taking things to be in absolute terms when they are meant generally. I don't have the energy to be put on trial for crimes I didn't commit. Enough is already wasted when I become a victim of my own hope, trying to fix things that in doing so destroys more of me than what good it brings. So consider for a moment that what I have said may not apply _specifically_ to your mom, okay?
Sometimes the things you got to do for yourself aren't easy, they aren't inuitive or instinctual. But nature can be adapted, people can change. You don't come out of the womb recognizing the need to work, to learn, to forgive, to wear clothes even. These are
things you have to pick up along the way. Intuition is as much bred in the bone as it is developed.
Everyone gets beaten up on by life. Everyone wants to lay back down on the canvas till the bell goes. That's self protective. But sometimes you have to question whether it really is better for you to bleed on the canvas or get up and slug it out with what you have left. Who picks up the slack for those who lay down? Paradoxically self protection can sometimes also protect you from growing.
[This message has been edited by deep (edited 18 January 2000).]
 
Deep,
I am sorry if I didn't express myself very well. English is not my first language, and it is sometimes difficult for me, especially on that kind of subject. The story about my mom was just a way to try and illustrate my feelings, I could have given any other example. Again, I agree with most of what you said but the following words:
" That the question isn't so much about whether or not you're getting fist fucked by reality, but instead, what you do after it. Do you pick yourself up and try to learn from the pain, or do you allow it to consume you? Where is the real cost of pain incurred? At the point of suffering, with whatever sting it may have at that moment in time...or when you allow it to change the way you live your life? What is the real tragedy? #1 happens to everyone. #2 doesn't.
Yes, you have the right to grieve after loss. But for how long? When does the rest of your life begin? Would those you lost want you to be emotionally dead as they are, or experience all that they no longer can?"
I understand what you are saying, but I don't think it's that easy. I don't think you are "emotionally dead" because you suffer and I think pain is part of your life and sometimes you have to go through it and it will last the time it has to. And it has nothing to do with personal history. Believe me, I am a very strong person and won't let me get depressed, but I understand that some people do and I don't think, like you said, that it prevents them from growing but I think it's part of their experience.
Again, sorry if I misunderstood what you said.
ManiE
 
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