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Marijuana induces physical withdrawl by affecting the amount of food which I am comfortable eating.
When I initially start smoking marijuana, my daily calorie intake increases to ~3,000 calories due to the munchies. Smoking multiple times daily from then on, my calorie intake levels to my normal ~2,000 calories a day, presumably because my body adapts to the marijuana use (also it's noted that cannabinoids are heavily responsible for regulation of appetite, hence the munchies, but also excess cannabinoids may normalize eating paterns). If I continue smoking multiple times daily for two weeks and then suddenly stop, I will only eat ~1,000-~1,500 calories, because that is all I'm comfortable eating without marijuana. I don't experience any discomfort UNLESS I try to eat a normal amount. My appetite gradually increases back to normal over three to four days.
I don't experience any mental marijuana cravings as long as I keep my mind busy. I don't experience any other physical withdrawl symptoms aside from the loss of appetite. I experience regular nausea that marijuana remedies, but the frequency of nausea does not increase when I abstain from marijuana use (it comes occasionally, and I use marijuana to fix it, but it does NOT increase when I quit).
I don't experience any insomnia because I find that marijuana really doesn't affect my sleep patterns. It doesn't make me tired when I'm awake, and it doesn't wake me up when I'm tired. If I'm tired when I'm sober, I will be tired when I'm high.

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Any crankiness that happens when you quit marijuana is 100% mental, you just have to keep your mind busy.
Also, while nicotine is physically addictive, cigarette smokers are far more mentally addicted than they are physically addicted. The physical addiction is very easy to beat, the mental addiction much, much harder.
Nicotine is one of the most potent poisons known (the tobacco plant produces nicotine as an insecticide, that's what you're smoking) and I'd venture to say that it's impossible to smoke that first cigarette without feeling symptoms of nicotine poisoning (nausea, dizziness, diarrhea, salivation, increased blood pressure), which are all quite uncomfortable; so I'd say you might have to be close to an idiot to become addicted to cigarettes.
 
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Ok this might sound off a lil cuz i am myself , high lol but , during this long asss arguement , are we only discussing the addictive / non addictiveness of the drug by its self , or about combo ' n it with other things .

cuz if somebody smokes weed everyday . and also uses weed with every other drug combo they do if they do that enough , could it possibly form an addiction to the weed with the other drug . and possibly thus make the marijuana an addictive additive by itself . ?
 
You won't get DT's or convulsions if you stop smoking cigarette smoking by cold turkey.

It's just my personal opinion that marijuana addiction seems a little trivial compared to all the other things you can get addicted to. This is just a personal opinion, which holds the same weight as me trying to say that the best color is blue. You guys are overthinking that one.

I haven't changed my stance at all, nor anything I've said. I said marijuana cannot cause physical dependency, but for the sake of this thread I'll just say you guys proved me wrong on that. I still am a little skeptical that insomnia or restlessness counts as proof of physical withdrawal, but whatever.

Marijuana, nor cigarettes, nor sex, will cause serious physical dependency with prolonged use. That is what I mean when I say these are not addictive chemicals. It is the activity of smoking marijuana that is truly addictive, which is by no means any less addictive than something you can get a physical addiction to.

I don't see what you find so confusing. Marijuana and sex addiction are almost entirely psychological, while heroin and xanax, while you can say they are entirely psychological as well, also have a very present physical aspect as well.

My argument here is that marijuana is not a particularly harmful substance to the body, and that the addiction is entirely psychological (the physical aspect being negligent in almost all cases). I am also saying that insomnia and restlessness are not that serious as symptoms for withdrawal.

And marijuana doesn't cause your tongue to rot off.
 
Marijuana does super mild withdrawal symptoms if you smoke enough daily for long enough, but it is so mild that if you keep your mind off it you wont notice it. I can stop smoking whilest on a fishing trip(im a fisherman), where i have to work hard as fuck and dont even think about bud, and can eat normally and sleep proper. But quitting at home is totally different. So at the end of the day it is all purely psychological..

^Dude, stop refering to it as 'tongue rotting off'. You're just demeaning the posters words, because you cant prove them wrong. I have weird spot on my tongue from bacteria growth from cotten mouth, same happens with heavy meth users. But it isnt even noticable, but i know nonsmokers dont have this problem, so it must be related to the cannabis smoke itself and or a dry mouth. If you smoke everday, then you get used to a dry mouth, i dont even notice it, so it wouldnt surprise me if the my 3 year daily bong smoking habit is the cause of these weird spots on my tongue, and general discoloration, although im not going to say that i know for sure what is the cause of it, but everything points to it so?
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
My argument here is that marijuana is not a particularly harmful substance to the body, and that the addiction is entirely psychological (the physical aspect being negligent in almost all cases).

8L4YN3 said:
So at the end of the day it is all purely psychological..

I'm getting the impression you two are unable to comprehend the studies posted.. :o
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
You won't get DT's or convulsions if you stop smoking cigarette smoking by cold turkey.

It's just my personal opinion that marijuana addiction seems a little trivial compared to all the other things you can get addicted to. This is just a personal opinion, which holds the same weight as me trying to say that the best color is blue. You guys are overthinking that one.

I haven't changed my stance at all, nor anything I've said. I said marijuana cannot cause physical dependency, but for the sake of this thread I'll just say you guys proved me wrong on that. I still am a little skeptical that insomnia or restlessness counts as proof of physical withdrawal, but whatever.

insomnia, restlessness, loss of apetite, nausea, headache, extremely vivid dreams, anxiety, shaking and sweating are all symptoms of marijuana withdrawal. if you haven't even read the studies or experienced withdrawal yourself you really dont know what youre talking about.

Marijuana, nor cigarettes, nor sex, will cause serious physical dependency with prolonged use. That is what I mean when I say these are not addictive chemicals. It is the activity of smoking marijuana that is truly addictive, which is by no means any less addictive than something you can get a physical addiction to.

so if that's all you that you mean why do you feel the need to say so much other stuff? why dont you simply say marijuana doesn't cause serious physical dependency and then let other people interpret that how they see fit?

I don't see what you find so confusing. Marijuana and sex addiction are almost entirely psychological, while heroin and xanax, while you can say they are entirely psychological as well, also have a very present physical aspect as well.

My argument here is that marijuana is not a particularly harmful substance to the body, and that the addiction is entirely psychological (the physical aspect being negligent in almost all cases). I am also saying that insomnia and restlessness are not that serious as symptoms for withdrawal.

your argument is wrong. the physical component of the addiction is not negligent when you need to smoke marijuana in order to eat.


And marijuana doesn't cause your tongue to rot off.

no one claimed it did.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
Can you post the study again where quitting marijuana caused DTs or seizures?


can you post the study again where opiate withdrawal causes DTs or seizures? your argument is essentially this: since some substances produce a stronger physical depedency than marijuana, marijuana doesn't produce physical depedency. everyone can now see this is a logical fallacy.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
You won't get DT's or convulsions if you stop smoking cigarette smoking by cold turkey.

That fucking does not mean its not addictive- Deleriums Tremens and convulsions (which are essentially the same thing in this context) do not indicate withdrawl- that is not the only symptom. How narrow are you?

It's just my personal opinion that marijuana addiction seems a little trivial compared to all the other things you can get addicted to. This is just a personal opinion, which holds the same weight as me trying to say that the best color is blue. You guys are overthinking that one.

Well, I didn't wanna get down to this, but have you had any addictions? I suspect you haven't- because their all bad.

I haven't changed my stance at all, nor anything I've said.

Yes you have, you've gone from saying marijuana is harmless to saying it can cause addiction, then you've changed your definition of addiction about 4 times to fit your arument.


I said marijuana cannot cause physical dependency, but for the sake of this thread I'll just say you guys proved me wrong on that.

No- the facts proved you wrong. You see, we're not stating our opinions- these are hard facts.

I still am a little skeptical that insomnia or restlessness counts as proof of physical withdrawal, but whatever.

They are just too aspects of the marijuana withdrawl syndrome. Trust me, if you go from smoking 3grams daily to nothing, you'll feel something- how could you not?

Marijuana, nor cigarettes, nor sex, will cause serious physical dependency with prolonged use.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever- they will or will not cause physical dependency? What are you saying?

Plus it doesn't work to lump activities, such as sex addiction, with chemical addiction, such as to nicotine.

That is what I mean when I say these are not addictive chemicals. It is the activity of smoking marijuana that is truly addictive, which is by no means any less addictive than something you can get a physical addiction to.

Granted the act of smoking is certainly addictive, but personally I prefer the high of weed to smoking it, therfore when I wanna get stoned its for any form of weed, eaten, vaped, drunk, smoked- so sucks to that.

An once again, Blowmonkey posted a link to a study that suggested that one of the main reasons smokers relapse is an attempt to alleviate withdrawal, directly with cannabis. That is not activity based, but physical and chemical

I don't see what you find so confusing. Marijuana and sex addiction are almost entirely psychological, while heroin and xanax, while you can say they are entirely psychological as well, also have a very present physical aspect as well.

I'm not confused- moreover I think your talking crap here with no facts to support it, thus I am pointing that out to you. I'm pretty certain of this situation actually.

My argument here is that marijuana is not a particularly harmful substance to the body, and that the addiction is entirely psychological (the physical aspect being negligent in almost all cases).
That has some merit to it, but try convincing anyone thats been head- fucked up from weed, and there are lots, that its not physically harmful. Plus your forgetting the whole issue of inhaling smoke.

And marijuana doesn't cause your tongue to rot off.

Whatever, stop harping on one of the smaller things the poster said
 
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TheodoreRoosevelt said:
What you seem to misunderstand, just like seeker, is that I am saying that marijuana is not an addictive substance (or it is, but very slightly).

Cool, thanks for clarifying...


TheodoreRoosevelt said:
I am by no means saying marijuana is not addictive, or that physical dependency is what marks how addictive an activity can be.


There you go again- explain yourself!! :)
 
Addictive substance = can create major physical dependency with habitual use.

You can get addicted to almost anything. It is not limited to just things you can get a physical dependency to.

so if that's all you that you mean why do you feel the need to say so much other stuff? why dont you simply say marijuana doesn't cause serious physical dependency and then let other people interpret that how they see fit

Because this is a pretty big topic.

your argument is wrong. the physical component of the addiction is not negligent when you need to smoke marijuana in order to eat.

You have less appetite because marijuana was what gave you appetite, thereby signaling to your body to stop doing it naturally. Similar to decreased levels of dopamine after ecstasy use.

since some substances produce a stronger physical depedency than marijuana, marijuana doesn't produce physical depedency. everyone can now see this is a logical fallacy.

Marijuana does not cause major physical withdrawal symptoms. Those that occur are relatively slight when compared to other physical withdrawals. It is extremely rare when cases occur that marijuana causes debilitating withdrawal symptoms. This is different from what I said earlier since I'm conceding that I was proven wrong about marijuana withdrawal during this thread, but my point still stands since the withdrawal symptoms that do occur, are in extreme cases, and are relatively slight.

Your body does not go into physical withdrawal from marijuana if you smoke a gram of high grade daily for 2 weeks.

That fucking does not mean its not addictive- Deleriums Tremens and convulsions (which are essentially the same thing in this context) do not indicate withdrawl- that is not the only symptom. How narrow are you?

Yes, if you read anything I said you would see I said physical dependency does not inherently mean those addictions are harder to break. I said earlier that addiction is psychological, and it varies from person to person. How narrow are you? It can easily be the case that marijuana, or sex, addiction may be much harder for you in every way than heroin or benzo addiction.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
Addictive substance = can create major physical dependency with habitual use.

says who? that is your own personal definition, that is not how an addictive substance is defined in medicine, psychology or by anyone else i know. so what is the purpose in stating tha? is everyone supposed to adhere to your personal terminology now?

furthermore, you've changed your definition of an addictive substance FIVE times in this thread. first it was a substance that caused physical dependency, then it was a substance that caused withdrawal, then it was a substance that caused serious withdrawal, then it was a substance that caused seizures or DTs and now its a substance that can create major physical dependency with habitual use. do you just make this stuff up as you go along? because as i said, you are the only one famaliar with this terminology.

for the rest of the world, an addictive substance is any substance which people get addicted to, irreguardless of the severity of the withdrawal. in fact, even if you use the most classic, old fashioned definition of an addictive substance, which includes criteria such as tolerance, withdrawal and mental depedency, you will see that tobacco, marijuana and methamphetamine all fullfill everyone one of these critera (as has been supported by research).

You can get addicted to almost anything. It is not limited to just things you can get a physical dependency to.

yes but that is irrevelant on two accounts. first, your definition of addictive substance is subjective and it would not be incorrect by any means to classify all substances which produce psychological addiction as 'addictive substances' and second, all te substances you claimed were not addictive substances DO cause varying degrees of physical dependency.

You have less appetite because marijuana was what gave you appetite, thereby signaling to your body to stop doing it naturally. Similar to decreased levels of dopamine after ecstasy use.

or decreased endorphins after opoiod use, hence the physical dependency.

Marijuana does not cause major physical withdrawal symptoms. Those that occur are relatively slight when compared to other physical withdrawals. It is extremely rare when cases occur that marijuana causes debilitating withdrawal symptoms. This is different from what I said earlier since I'm conceding that I was proven wrong about marijuana withdrawal during this thread, but my point still stands since the withdrawal symptoms that do occur, are in extreme cases, and are relatively slight.

Your body does not go into physical withdrawal from marijuana if you smoke a gram of high grade daily for 2 weeks.

your body probably wont go into withdrawal if you take 4 or 5 vicodin a day for two weeks either. at least mine didn't. so what's your point here?


Yes, if you read anything I said you would see I said physical dependency does not inherently mean those addictions are harder to break. I said earlier that addiction is psychological, and it varies from person to person. How narrow are you? It can easily be the case that marijuana, or sex, addiction may be much harder for you in every way than heroin or benzo addiction.

if you understand that, what exactly are you arguing? if your only point was that opiates and benzos have much more potential to cause severe physical dependency than marijuana, then it wasn't a point worth making, since the studies we posted stated this very clearly to begin with.
 
Withdrawal symptoms are caused by the lack of signalling in a physiologically important system, due to downregulation of receptors. This is by no means a psychological phenomena, the withdrawals are caused by you not taking in a substance anymore. It has nothign to do with being "bored" or whatever, Creativerandom.. I'd appreciate you not prolonging this useless dicussion anymore, because you're wrong in your beliefs anyways, there's no point in going on about it. You're wrong, plain and simple, the proof is in the pudding, you just haven't found the pudding yet.
 
i think the simple fact is there are two types of addictions: physical, and psychological.

Being dependant on cannabis is almost always going to be predominantly psychological in nature. So if you are using cannabis and want to quit ask yourself WHY you do this drug soo often? IF you dont fill the void of this drug that you use to cope with whatever, itll be hard to stop.

You know, everyone deals with life in thier own way. Some people drink, some people smoke, others are dependant on relationships, some people smoke weed. just find something else you can look forward to to give your life meaning.

I think if one smoked enough weed to actually have a "withdrawl" from it, there psychological addiction would have to be so strong to cause it- that would over power physical symptoms.

This being said though, weed is a drug like anyother and in the end will cause physiological changes in your body when used enough.

i posted this in another weed thread, but seemed appropriate for here.
 
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