CWE and Potentiator

[FastRaceCarGuy]

Had a few question I wanted to clear up couldn't find this on any CWE thread.

1. When filtering your very cold mixture of power/water do you want the filter process to go slow or fast. The difference between using like a coffee filter vs a cotton shirt doubled up.

my theory - is it true that the hydrcodon which is very soluble in cold water almost turns liquid just as soon as its cold enough? or is the filtering process still slowly breaking it down?

^ Could never really get that clear, I just want to get the most yield and lose minimum.. I would hate to be throwing out a bunch of still hydro fresh powder. also to state the above is just for educational purposes Not something that I would be performing ofcourse!

***Super short version^*** More hydro yield if you filter slower? or does it no matter once your liquid is cold? difference between using cotton shirt vs coffee filter?




2. The potentiator, I hear that benedryl is a good one. Say someone has a really high tolerance 200-250 mg hydro or oxy, how many mg of Benadryl would you want to take to really get a good kick? OR would it be better to use gabapentin OR DXM? or perhaps combine all 3? once again for educational purposes thank you

 

[Venrak]

Hydrocodone is freely soluble in water, and will fall into solution very quickly. You should be using as fine a filter as is effective, and a slow filtration is preferred over a hasty one.

As to the potentiation question, I'll allow someone more experienced in potentiating opiates,especially at these dosages.

 

[FastRaceCarGuy]

Hydrocodone is freely soluble in water, and will fall into solution very quickly. You should be using as fine a filter as is effective, and a slow filtration is preferred over a hasty one.

As to the potentiation question, I'll allow someone more experienced in potentiating opiates,especially at these dosages.

So are you saying the hydro is pretty much liquid as soon as it reaches its coldest point? Because if that's the case why would I want to sit there with a coffee filter for 2 hours when u can just bleed out your hydro juice quickly with a cotton shirt..?

 

[FastRaceCarGuy]

And why don't you have a comment about the mg dose .. 250 really isn't that high for a very tolerant person

 

[ChemicalConscience]

Cwe yo

First of all YOU should find out what pharmaceutical company makes the particular generic Vicodin that will be used in YOUR C.W.E and YOU should research the type of pill/the active ingredients and the inactive ingredients. (it's not always just acetaminophen and hydrocodone in those pills) Make a list of all the ingredients and research there solubility's in cold water, this will tell YOU what will/wont be present in your crude extract. Then calculate the total amount of hydrocodone and acetaminophen present in the tablets that are being used. Research the solubility of hydrocodone in water and at what temperature. Research the solubility of Acetaminophen in water and at what temperature. Apply that knowledge to find the appropriate Water/Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen ratio to use in YOU C.W.E. Remember the warmer the water gets the more soluble the acetaminophen will be in the water!!!

Now read ahead and make sure SWIY has all the right materials before they get started and if they don't they may use makeshift alternatives, although SWIM doubt's they will work as well as the real deal. This is how SWIM does it!

Step#1. Chill distilled water to the appropriate temperature (about 35*F) this will be the solvent. make some ice cubes as well (below 32 F)

Step#2. Using a mortar and pestle pulverize the hydrocodone/Acetaminophen tablets, add the pulverized powder to a beaker. This will be your solute. "sort of"

Step#3. measure the appropriate volume of Solvent in a graduated cylinder (the volume of solvent depends on the amount of solute.)

Step#4. Add the appropriate volume of solvent "distilled water" to the beaker containing the pulverized solute "tablets" (you may even want to put this beaker in an ice bath to regulate the temp and keep it cold). also keep d-H2O ice cubes in your d-H2O. to keep it really cold.

Step#5. Now agitate the mixture to expose all of the solute to the solvent, at this point the acetaminophen should precipitate from the solution and the hydrocodone should dissolve into the solution.

Step#6. Filter the solution (while still cold) using the following setup: A filtration flask attached to a Buckner funnel with filter paper in it, and the arm or the filtration flask attached to a tube and the other end of the tube rigged up to ether a water aspirator,vacuum or hand pump, after filtering the filter paper will collect the acetaminophen. The hydrocodone will be dissolved in the water, Now wash the "clump" of acetaminophen with a small portion of COLD water to assure that all hydrocodone is exposed to the solvent so it can be dissolved.

Step#6.5 (optional) Draw the filtered solution into a lure lock syringe and run the solution through a series of micron ( 0.45 first and 0.2 second) filters into the evaporation dish. Allow the water to evaporate.

Step#7. if you skipped step 6.5 then pour the hydrocodone/water solution into a evaporation dish (or small Pyrex baking dish) then wash the sides of your filtration flask with minimal amounts of Solvent to gather any residual hydrocodone, add collected water to the rest of the solution in the evaporation dish. Allow the water to evaporate.

If SWIY is brave they may set up a hairdryer to speed up the evaporation process (YOU should be careful not to blow away all YOUR work). I puts his solution in the oven on low heat for a period of time and allows the water to evaporate. although this method is not recommended. When the water evaporates YOU will be left with crude Hydrocodone crystals/powder scrape them up (make sure they are completely dried) and if YOU want to get high he is more than welcome to chop and snort, and if YOU choose' to store them, be sure they store them at room temp, in a dry sealed container away from moisture and sunlight.

Theoretically if YOU use the 5/500 mg hydrocodone/acetaminophen pills,using 2000 of these pills will give a theoretical yield of 10 grams of hydrocodone
Further Acid Base extraction, solvent on solvent extraction, re-crystallization or fractional distillation may be required for a more precise purification.

PS. Diphenhydramine definitely potentates opiates, I take it with his suboxone prescription. for a good nod. Hope that any of this helps...good luck.

MOD NOTE: Use of "SWIM" and "SWIY" is forbidden on this site as it does not offer any legal protection, while confusing readers.

 

[HolyShitLifeSucks]

Tried the CWE once with two 5/500 hydro/apap. Lots of white powder in filter and clear liquid as filtrate. No noticeable affect.(Don't use opiates/no tolerance) I might have not let the 5/500 solution reach the preferred temp of 35 F. Maybe an infared thermometer to check and monitor temp while working with the solution> Even if chilled to 35F, temp will increase as soon as cold source removed. I should try filtering solution in a walk-in fridge....ha.. CWE is too inaccurate for the kitchen chemist. Probably should research other methods, that will yield and absolute amount of opiate

 

[ChemicalConscience]

yeah that^(my previous post.) took me a while to type. but it's tryed and true.. Swim did this all by Swimself in his bedroom with 150, 5 mg Oxycodone tablets (generic Percocet) he had gotten prescribed from his dentist but this was way back well before Swim got on Suboxone maintenance.

If you keep adding salt to your water until the water can hold no more the freezing point drops to -21.1 degrees C. which is about -6 degrees F,
if you put your water in the freezer and put your filter flask in an ice bath, and move quickly then you should have no problam with performing a CWE
because it doesent matter if the water warms up after its been filtered. and make sure the minnimum amount of water is used in this extraction because watertakes forever to evaporate.

CWE WORKS WELL IF YOU GET IT DOWN TO A SCIENCE..