Heroin cuts/dilutants, nose blowing, and effects on absorption,

[waldo777]

So all the heroin I get is powdered and snorted. It is usually white to an off white, sometimes various shades of tan or grey, and occasionally brown. The brown stuff has come in rocks/chunks that are very compact and hard to break up. Anyway....
I just got 3 types of H from the same person, all white, grey, and a brown chunk. The grey was better than the white and haven't tried the brown yet---it was given as a sample...
My theory is that the brown chunk is the purest, and the grey and white stuff made from the brown and just cut to different degrees or/and w/ diff cutting agents. In the past the brown chunks were never as potent as the lighter powders, SO...is it possible that a bag of heroin can be less pure than another but still have stronger effects b/c the cuts used let the H absorb better?? Is this possible??

Also, b/c of the amount of powder snorted I need to occasionally blow my nose. Other times I will just snort water, but I find that snorting water doesn't get the junk off my membranes as well as blowing my nose does. How long does it take heroin to absorb? Will all the H have absorbed in 2-3 hours, thus making sure I'm not blowing out any goodies? Also, I've read blowing your nose irritates nasal membranes...therefore, would it be best to wait a few minutes after blowing to snort or does it not really matter?

Thanks in advance

 

[waldo777]

Also, I have read that procaine is one of the more commonly used cutting agents for heroin. I get why one would cut coke w/ procaine but not why they would add it to heroin? The various people and places where I read about the heroin+procaine mix, stated that procaine somehow allows the heroin to be absorbed better by (nasal) membranes.
Does anyone know if this is true?
IF procaine does aid absorption how does it do it?
Lastly, would cocaine have the same effect as procaine?

(In other threads I have wondered if cocaine's vasoconstrictive effects would impede the absorption of snorted heroin---assuming that the coke was snorted before the heroin. I never really got an answer to that question but people seemed to find it plausible, so why wouldn't the same apply to procaine?


As for the whole nose blowing issue....
Personally, my nose is a mess (thus my quest to maximize efficiency of any ROA other than IV) when I snort stuff and then stop for a few hours until my nose dries up, which I purposely do for the following reason; I blow my nose until I blow out a penny-dime sized scab. The "scab" is the same in appearance every day, I blow one out every morning w/out fail, and if I wait long enough during the day, I will also w/out fail blow out the same scab. It is actually a mix of clotted blood, mucus, and undissolved powder. It is always: flat, hard, red on one side from clotted blood, and grey-ish on the other side from the caked up powder. I will sometimes run the "scab:booger" under water to see if any of the caked up powder dissolves---it never does.
Sorry for all the gross details, but I had a reason for them. I know this thing is a scab b/c once I blow it out of my nose, fresh, wet blood is all that comes out w/ subsequent nose blowing. Now here's the part I'm curious about.....
As soon as I blow out the scab, I snort my heroin B/C I figure putting heroin onto an open wound will get more H into my blood, and it works. I cleraly notice stronger effects (everything else being equal) snorting @ that time as opposed to any other time. If I snort something in the morning b4 blowing out the scab, the effects are noticeably weaker, and this is true during the day as well. The closer this scab gets to "finishing" the less effective snorting becomes. And it isn't b/c I'm already high, as once I clear out this scab, snorting becomes significantly more effective.

Ok, why talk about this? Well I bring it up b/c once I get the scab out and snort my dope, my nose runs---a lot. Its not blood, its just very watery mucus, so to "turn off the faucet" so I don't loose my H to the drip, I snort some coke and my nose stops running. THEREFORE:

If snorting coke constricts blood vessels enough to stop a leaking, bleeding, irritated nose, then won't it block heroin or any other drug from being most efficiently absorbed?? I only have my experiences to base my conclusions on, so if anybody knows anything about:
A) procaine effecting nasal absorption
B) cocaine " " "
C) nasal absorption being effected by nose bleeds and the like
D) irritated membranes and nasal absorption

I would be grateful, thanks

 

[amapola]

My theory is that the brown chunk is the purest, and the grey and white stuff made from the brown and just cut to different degrees or/and w/ diff cutting agents.

Diamorphine HCL will be white. If the morphine acetylation is not complete (by using an old cheaper/easier method) then you get black tar heroin which is dark. Both could be cut towards any colour with powdery brown being especially common for BTH.

Also, I have read that procaine is one of the more commonly used cutting agents for heroin.

Do you have a source for this?

Regarding all your snorting...if you dissolve the heroin in water first and snort that you shouldn't have as much problem with the powder not coming in contact with a nasal membrane.

 

[waldo777]

Thanks for the reply Amapola,
I don't think its BTH because this person has been supplying the white powder for a while @ a rate of 30-50 bags every 2 days. I think the brown chunk came off of his main supply and was given to me as a sample with the idea being if I liked it, he would sell me that in a more wholesale amount and price. It would benefit him in that he could make about the same profit with much less work and without "exposing" himself as often. And it would benefit me in that I would be getting a purer product for a *slightly* cheaper price, and most importantly, I wouldn't need to be "exposing" myself as often, nor using the phones as often etc...
I'm from the NY/NJ area and have never seen nor heard of black tar heroin (BTH), so since its all from one source, and the brown is the bulk product, I'm assuming the white powder is made from the brown, BUT just an assumption based on the whole "there's no tar in NY/NJ" idea and that its all coming from a single person.

Regardless, I'm more interested in the question of: can certain cuts aid absorption? And if so, what are they?


As for the procaine thing, I've come across it being named as a heroin cut in a few threads on this site.

For the snorting, I've tried the snorting a solution method, and found that the liquid, while hiting the membranes, is also much more likely to drip down my throat, or out my nostril--causing me to have to forcefully snort it back in, again going down my throat. I've had the best luck with snorting some water first, blowing the excess out, and then snorting the powder. I guess you just can't build a better mousetrap

 

[amapola]

^How much water are you using? 1 or 2 ccs is plenty and anything that doesn't dissolve will be cut.

As for substance that aid nasal absorption the only thing that comes to mind is chitosan (at least for morphine). In general less cut the better.