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Crystal Meth - Why is it so big now?

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What follows is a rambling stream of conscious thing about crystal. I am both thinking aloud as well as asking for input.

This was brought about by being asked to do a radio interview for ABC radio's PM show on the subject of crystal meth. Usually I'm very happy to do such interviews as I feel fairly confident in being able to talk unscripted on the subject of ecstasy and pill testing. This time, however, I declined as the subject was a little out of my comfort zone.

It isn't that I dislike crystal, the opposite in fact, it was more that I didn't feel I had much to contribute that was of much use. Aside from esoteric details of its manufacture and chemistry, which no one wants to know, I only know what most people know; that there is more of it about.

The researcher asked me this question; Why is there more of it about? And I started answering it, but I quickly got into territory I don't think they wanted to explore, and which made me very glad I had decided to not do this on air.

My thoughts went like this: Crystal has existed for a very long time but up until recently it was only ever seen in Australia in very specific areas, usually in ethnics groups such as filipinos and Polynesians. Australians generally took speed that was locally produced methamphetamine, usually of a very cut down variety.

Remember the old days? Remember cut down speed, a gram baggy for fifty bucks, stepped on about 16 times? There was a very organised system of distribution which for many years supplied Australia with it's amphetamine needs. Methamphetamine was produced locally, usually from traditional biker pseudo recipes, and distributed via networks of established dealers. It seemed that quite a few of these networks had either the cooperation or the active involvement of police. I can say this without fear contradiction as this has now all come out in court and is a matter of record. Google "Hicks police amphetamine" and you'll see what I mean. Added to this was the increasingly tough regulations surrounding pseudoephedrine, which has put a dent into supply of precursors for local production.

So the traditional speed distribution systems were gone, or least reduced. But there was still a demand for amphetamine. People have been using it recreationally in Australia since at least the '50's so it would be miraculous if it just disappeared.

But has demand increased? I think it has, and one factor in that is the growing number of people using MDMA, which corresponds to a growing number of people "losing the magic" and looking for another high. The crystal meth high, while still being a lot "speedier" than MDMA, does have a kind of similar "ecstatic" quality. I have seen, both in real life and here, many people making the transition from MDMA to meth. I can only speculate that this is happening in the wider drug taking community.

So increased demand, but reduced supply. Well it doesn't take Adam Smith to work out that people will do what ever they can to meet demand. I believe that two things happened. New local manufacturers popped up, without the sophisticated distribution systems of old. This resulted in more speed being distributed in a purer form. "Base" "meth" and the like became far more common as it was easier for new dealers to move less bulky, more potent forms within Australia. Also it passed thru less hands, resulting in a purer, yet still highly priced, product.

At the same time this was going on other people were looking to OS for supply. The Philippines is awash in crystal, and quickly supply routes were set up. Now that Australians had a taste for high quality meth there was less reason to step on the product and it could be released as "pure" crystal.

So I am figuring that the coinciding raise in demand for another high met the reduce in supply of traditional "speed" and resulted in where we are at today.

Thoughts?
 
Just thought I'd quickly say, Phillipines has a kind of reverse trend to what is happening in Australia...They are getting more into pills now-a-days rather than the ice and yaba that has been around since the 50's. So what is new to us, is old to them, and vice-versa....
 
crystal meth commands a higher price in australia relative to most asian countries. this is the main driver, i believe, for its recent proliferation. recent busts of imported crystal in sydney appear to confirm this.

with some asian countries at saturation point, it was only going to be a matter of time before dealers explored further options regarding crystal supply.

if trends are any indication..australia could soon be facing a crystal meth epidemic.
 
i think all the fundamentals have been covered, but there is one more thing; meth is the ultimate dynamic drug. you can do it anytime, anywhere pretty much. it aids academic pursuits, enahnces social lubrication, as well as general performance. it is synergistic with everything, and doesn't have the "short term" problem of MDMA. so this, as well as all the factors outlined above have led to an increasing market demand.

though not a direct reference to Australia, though we presume it is the same here (we are afterall just another American state;)) is something i read on this site meth lab article . in contrast to the scale of massive recent international busts, the article states that the internet, which offerrs wider access to recipes, has resulted in increasing numbers of "mom and pop" chemists using household ingredients to produce. 20% of these labs also had children present.

im not sure just how applicable this is to the Australian situation, but it is an alarming prospect nonetheless, and demontrates the impact this substance is having on communities, as opposed to the clubbing/rave markets both at home and abroad.
 
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I've got a few thoughts on this issue.

Firstly, with regard to injecting drug users, there was a noticeable shift to methamphetamine amongst injectors at several needle and syringe programs across Qld since the heroin drought started (late 2000 - 2001 ish).

I'm not sure of other states, but off the top of my head, I remember a shift from 30:70 meth/heroin users accessing, to 70:30 meth/heroin over this year/two period. Its now stablised where I'm at to around 50:50.

I think there's always been a huge market for stimulants, and that market is continuing to expand. I'm wondering how many people's first experience of meth is from a speed bomb they thought would contain MDMA.

As for an increase in meth use in clubs? I think meth use has always been pretty common here in Qld, because we've had a fairly constant, cheap supply for many years. It wasn't always been the strongest / purest gear, but it was always very cheap and very easy to get.

Sometimes I wonder if the "ice" media thing is driven by self-interested drug and alcohol professionals looking to create a crisis which they then apply for funding to solve. It certainly woudn't be the first time this has happend, but then again, I am deeply cynical.

Interesting topic :)
 
Could be something to do with the fact that all these dirty cops who were heavily involved in local meth production (recirculating pseudo etc..) are getting caught. The implications of Ceja are probably far wider than any of us could really comprehend.
Just a thought....
 
I think one of the reasons is the increase in smoking as a means of taking crystal by people who formerly snorted or drank it in solution. Passing the crystal pipe is in an increasingly common social practice.

Smoking gives the quickest high other than injecting but blood levels drop quicker too, so the urge to have another smoke happens sooner.

The net result is more people taking more of the drug. Suppliers are responding to increased demand.

As a "self-interested drug and alcohol professional" I have to say to Flexistentialist that while it would be great to have more funding (I wish), just at the moment we are not seeing a huge influx of crystal users in treatment. There certainly are people with problematic use but I can't say I've noticed any increase in the last few years.

I must point out that my crystal ball is not working so who knows what the future holds, and I can't speak for all treatment agencies, especially outside of Sydney.

What I do know is that a lot of the media furore in Queensland was sparked by police comments about a year ago that methamphetamine was becoming an "epidemic" bigger than heroin. IMHO that was alarmist crap.

I do take the point that the heroin drought had some effect though.

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there are many good points previously mentioned, most of which i agree with, but ill also add this one.

i think its also due to widespread use of the internet and increase of education toward drugs. if i use mdma as an example, in the last 3 years the amount of pills mdxx would have multiplied at least six fold due to a demand for mdma pills where ketamine/speed combinations are being pushed out of the market. local producers are now arguably needing to produce mdxx to be viable. this heightened education isnt sought out by all people, but it seems someone always knows someone who has an idea and information and knowledge filters out to people the same way the drugs do. im constantly amazed by how many people know or have heard what 5htp is.

people now realise that high quality uncut methamphetamine gives more bang for your buck than a gram of speed with 9 parts glucose. i also agree that demand has increased due to mdma users incorporating other drugs into their night out such as ketamine and methamphetamine that they would not have used if they hadnt stated taking mdma.
 
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half a point smoked + a couple of pills = a good weekend with no sleep.

my point? crystal lasts for ages. you dont need to smoke much which is a good thing cos that stuff is bloody expensive.

you could either buy one point and only need to smoke half it or half a dozen pills for a big nite out. do the maths.

on the down side crystal is heavily addictive and easy to od on.
 
The researcher asked me this question; Why is there more of it about?

okay, firstly a question - when you are talking about "crystal" what exactly are you referring to?

perhaps this question/topic is a little location specific..... since i started going out and becoming involved in "the scene" there has always been a general perception that a) brisbane is the speed capital of australia, and b) that speed (and i'm using this in a generic sense here) is the drug of choice for people up here. from anecdotal reports from people there is a perception that brisbane gets less quality pills and better quality speed. people mention that the vibe at brisbane events often seems less friendly than down south - which has been hypothesised as a result of a crowd speeding rather than rolling.

i guess what i'm trying to say is that i don't believe that crystal is becoming more popular in brisbane - it has always been a pretty big thing. couple that with the fact that raving and drugs appear to becoming slightly more mainstream (i don't want to use the term accepted or acceptable because i think the laws show they aren't) and there is an increased likelihood of more people trying drugs and thus, a perception that they are becoming more popular.

a lot of other good points have already been mentioned - dim mak was right on the money about the complexity of mdma synthesis compared with meth.

anyway, just something to think about,
bk:)
 
"you can do it anytime, anywhere pretty much. it aids academic pursuits, enahnces social lubrication, as well as general performance"


Umm are you serious? i would never want to try and to study on this shit, its evil.
 
KraZeeY said:
"you can do it anytime, anywhere pretty much. it aids academic pursuits, enahnces social lubrication, as well as general performance"


Umm are you serious? i would never want to try and to study on this shit, its evil.
Jesus Christ, I though the whole point of this board was to get rid of the ignorance that leads to people say things ike 'meth is evil'
 
Funny how ppl are willing to defend this shit......SteveElektro, why is it ignorance to have an opinion??? KraZeeY is entitled to that.

Peace Out

Dirty_Deed
 
SteveElektro said:
Jesus Christ, I though the whole point of this board was to get rid of the ignorance that leads to people say things ike 'meth is evil'

Its not ignorance that leaded me in saying that. its how i felt on sunday and the rest of the week.

And this board is for Harm Minmisation foremost, of which information is only a part of.
 
Everyone repeat out loud: "Methamphetamine is ONLY a fucking chemical, it's neither Good nor Evil, and it only produces effects when it's used by a person."

Now, anyone with considered opinions on the subject is free to clearly express their ideas below: remember to reference your facts and think before you post.

Please stay on topic, and make sure your posts have a clear point...

BigTrancer :)
 
Another possible reason for its recent rise could be contributed to apparent dent in the availability of cocaine over the past year or so to Australia.

From a industry perspective, there has been a noticable shift from "traditional" cocaine users from coke to meth - primarily it seems because many of them simply couldn't get their hands on any coke, but meth was in plentiful supply.
 
krayzee: i dont do meth recreationally, but it sure is one hell of a study aid. you study more efficiently, more effectively for longer.

[edit:] i misread steveelektros post as he was quoting krayzee.
 
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My own experience with meth might offer one possible reason why it seems to be getting more popular (though I think this perception of greater popularity is partly driven by the media and the current investigative/prosecuting priorities of the police)

A few years ago my drug of choice was mostly pills, and had been since discovering the whole chemical scene. A lot of the places i used to go (in sydney) i'd see a lot of 'speed freaks'/tweakers, and I could not really see the whole attraction in the tweak scene. I figured that i didn't just want to stay awake and dance, I wanted the mind alteration of pills. Occasionally i'd do a bit of speed (not decent meth) to get through a night, but that was that.

Then a couple of years ago i spent a year in california, where i got my first introduction to high grade meth (sometimes called ice over there as well, but we mostly referred to it as glass). I was instantly hooked, but not because of the rush, etc - I got addicted to simply being awake. For me i felt more 'awake' than i'd ever felt before - i think naturally i'm pretty lazy/lethargic - and i couldn't get enough of the social aspect of days of partying on meth.

With controlling when I slept also came a sense of power - I felt I could do whatever i wanted whenever i wanted and not have to worry about commitments the next day (at least for the short term). There were plenty of times when friends would come over during the week, and we'd hang out, watch dvd's, do whatever, and then i'd simply have a shower in the morning and go straight to work. Also plenty of weekends where I'd go straight to work on Monday after partying all weekend. To me I felt like i was functioning just as well as before, if not better. Before getting enough sleep defined what i could do and when, now I didn't have to worry about sleep if it was inconvenient and still function 'normally' - I'm sure that the non-tweakers around me didn't see it that way. 'course it all got horribly out of control, but that's another story.

So while for me first doing pills opened up a whole new world of social interaction (i wasn't overly shy before but also wasn't overly social either), meth took it to a whole other level. I may not be explaining it very well, but the feeling of being 110% awake, with crystal clarity of mind (until you pushed it too far of course), made me into a social animal, which i liked a lot and still do.

Even today i don't get that much of a rush/etc from meth, and i generally don't do lines/smoke big enough to get whacked out, but i still prefer it over everything else when it comes to socialising. I can be sitting at home totally unmotivated, not feeling like going out, ready to veg in front of the tv, and wishing i wasn't like that (and yes of course there are alternative non-drug ways of dealing with that) - 10 minutes after a line of meth and I'm up and doing what i want to do.

Of course I know that you can't rely on a drug like meth to do this for you indefinitely - but in some ways i actually think i've learnt to be more social without it simply by experiencing what i have. Though to put things in perspective there was a period where it was out of control and i lost friends and a big chunk of my life, but in all i have been lucky and my overall experience has been positive.

So I guess my hunch is now that the same quality meth that I was using over there is becoming common over here, some people are experiencing the same things as me - the feeling that you've been half asleep all your life and now you've suddenly woken up. The problem then is avoiding getting addicted to being awake...

cheers,
hux.
 
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