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Creating your own reality

I mock all the hard headed cynics in this thread [mock][/mock]

Laugh all you want, dumbarses, but you can live in your rigid reality of structured logic and realist cynicism. I choose to live in a reality of magic and splendour everyday which I manifest in ways you would write off as "coincidence" or "chance" (merely words for phemona you simply dont understand). And what the fuck, who cares if you cant comprehend it, the shit demonstratably works again and again. Even if it is just a matter of perception is irrelavent, the fact is that my experience of reality is markedly improved by simply believing I have ultimate control over it, no ammount of skeptical naesaying can ever change that. hAhAhA suck shit you ignorant fools, you'll never understand just what you are missing out on!!!

=D =D =D
 
that movie talked about thought energy and premonitions? now i'm glad i didn't bother watching it when i was on acid. i think there's too much of that thought energy going around, it's making people loopy.

i mean, will power and confidence definitely increase your chances of succeeding at whatever you do, but that's not creating your own reality, that's called initiating actions to carry out your will. if i want to get a PhD in computer science i'm not gonna think really hard about getting that PhD using my "thought energy," i'm gonna work really hard to obtain it. people don't have psychic powers or the ability to change reality by willing it alone. you might have the ability to delude yourself or change your perception of reality, but you can't actually change reality the way you want without establishing a plan and followign through with it. having a million people pray for the end of world hunger is not going to do anything. to solve real problems you need knowledge, ability, resolve, and most of all--action. these things come from psychic abilities. and they definitely don't come from deluding yourself that you can bend spoons with your mind or see into the future.
 
killarava2day said:
I mock all the hard headed cynics in this thread [mock][/mock]

Laugh all you want, dumbarses, but you can live in your rigid reality of structured logic and realist cynicism. I choose to live in a reality of magic and splendour everyday which I manifest in ways you would write off as "coincidence" or "chance" (merely words for phemona you simply dont understand). And what the fuck, who cares if you cant comprehend it, the shit demonstratably works again and again. Even if it is just a matter of perception is irrelavent, the fact is that my experience of reality is markedly improved by simply believing I have ultimate control over it, no ammount of skeptical naesaying can ever change that. hAhAhA suck shit you ignorant fools, you'll never understand just what you are missing out on!!!

=D =D =D
what's wrong with being logical and realistic? and what shit demonstratably works? deluding yourself? if you really think you have paranormal abilities then why not collect your $1 million from the james randi paranormal challenge?

also, you don't have to be delusional to believe in self-determination. self-determination doesn't have anything to do with claiming to have psychic abilities.

the fact that you have to resort to tactless and immature taunts like "hAhAhA suck shit you ignorant fools" or calling people "dumbarses" suggests that you really aren't even convinced of it yourself. it just makes you look like an ass, really.

see, i don't have to imagine that the world is magical to appreciate the beauty of our universe, because when you pay attention to the intrinsic beauty of the environment you live in, the complexity of the organisms that populate the earth, the remarkable consistency of nature, and the rhythmic order that holds it all together, it's hard not to be in awe of our natural universe. there's nothing wrong with having a powerful imagination, but if you can't appreciate the universe without deluding yourself with make-believe powers and basically trying to distort your own view of reality instead of augmenting it, then you lead a very pathetic existence because you're missing out on all the beauty and wonder that's right under your nose. you could spend your entire life looking for bigfoot and completely miss out on all the amazing creatures that exist in real life.

you do what you want. i'll stick to my logical and unaffected view of reality. i can't comprehend your psychic abilities, but you'll never comprehend the beauty of math and logic and their recurrent patterns in nature. i might not be able to make a traffic light turn green on command, but i can lose myself in my thoughts for hours exploring the wonders of mathematical algorithms, logical relations, sequences, set theory, proofs, fractals, and other natural wonders of our universe that emerge from exercising my faculty of reason. natural wonders that i can construct and deconstruct and build infinitely many new and unique permutations out of. and while you guys hone your "thought energy" i'll be honing my cognitive abilities by gaining a better understanding of the metaphysical glue that keeps everything in our infinite and dynamic universe in perfect harmony.

what's the fun of living in a world of "magic and splendour" if you have to drone out all logic and your own sense of reason, and live with your head buried in the sand? you can assume that you have paranormal powers but are you gaining a better understanding of the universe by distorting your view of it? can you achieve an enlightened state by tossing your faculties of reason out the window? math and science have achieved some pretty remarkable things and have revolutionized our perception of the world as well as providing tons of practical applications. what has psychic powers done for humanity? do you gain as much inspiration or fulfillment from speculating on how you can channel your psychic energy as you would from studying how supernovas occur or how we all likely descended from single-celled organisms who formed into multicellular organisms similarly to the way our societies have formed to have specialization and mutual cooperative benefits? you deride logic and reason which manifests itself ubiquitously in nature with pervasive patterns of harmony and consistency, yet you embrace uninspired and inconsistent gibberish which you claim has demonstrated itself to be true, yet you seem to have to abandon all logic and reason to maintain this belief. how has it demonstrated itself to be true if you have no proof of its validity, no theory of how it works, and you can't even explain why you even believe in it? i guess santa claus and the easter bunny are real too by these standards...

i dunno, your reality just doesn't seem very appealing to me.
 
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Thrusday,

I think the biggest disconnect here is the thought that you can't believe in science and technology, AND believe in creating your own reality. That's simply not the case. I for one I have degree in computer science, math was always my favorite subject, and I currently work for a company in software development. I totally understand how technology has shaped our culture and love all the technological advancements we are making.

Most of this gets lost on semantics. People hear the word "magic" and automtically want to discard anything someone is saying. Call it what you want, but I believe the concept reality creating is very real. You said, "and while you guys hone your "thought energy" i'll be honing my cognitive abilities by gaining a better understanding of the metaphysical glue that keeps everything in our infinite and dynamic universe in perfect harmony." This is the exact same thing to me. In my opinion, honing you cognitive abilites is honing your thought energy. But as I just said, much of this is lost on semantics.

I marvel at the universe as you do, and i'm not looking for bigfoot, unicorns or leprechauns. I live in the same world you do, the only difference is that I believe I am creating what happens to me, you believe (from what I understand) what happens to you is a result of some external force, something you have to fight through to get what you want.

You're making an assumpution to say that people who do not see the universe like you cannot appriciate it or are deluding themselves. If everyone thought like you, or like me, the world would be a very, very boring place to live. Just because someone sees the world different from you does not make your view better, just differnet. But it's pointless to belittle someone simply because they do not share your view. This is why the world is in such turmoil at the moment.
 
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thursday said:
what's wrong with being logical and realistic?


Nothing at all, logic is an incredibly useful tool for understanding reality but it is not the ONLY tool for understanding reality. Logic and reason are useless for understanding the human subconscience, that doesn't in anyway take away from their usefulness for understanding a certain aspect of reality but recognises that for others they aren't so effective.

and what shit demonstratably works? deluding yourself? if you really think you have paranormal abilities then why not collect your $1 million from the james randi paranormal challenge?

Uh cos I'm not claiming to have "paranormal" abilities, I'm simply claiming that by employing positive thinking and following ones intuition then seeming coincidences pile up which open up positive oppurtunities. It is demonstratable to me that by intuitively following the synchronistic events then inexplicable coincidences arise offering abundence, my experience of reality is immeasurably improved.

also, you don't have to be delusional to believe in self-determination. self-determination doesn't have anything to do with claiming to have psychic abilities.

Who's claiming "psychic" abilities? Not me. This is a perfect example of the bigotry of "skeptics", perhaps you should try to understand the subject matter before you attempt to deconstruct it. At least have the intellectual honesty to not misrepresent the position of those you seek to disprove. It amuses me that people criticise pseudo-sciences for their often shoddy methodology more often than not employ flawed methedology themselves. The double-standards are really quite breathtaking.

the fact that you have to resort to tactless and immature taunts like "hAhAhA suck shit you ignorant fools" or calling people "dumbarses" suggests that you really aren't even convinced of it yourself. it just makes you look like an ass, really.

You're right but the irony is that I only took such a mocking tone in reaction to your own tactless responses in this thread, I just used your own methods except from the opposing view. Perhaps now you can see just how much of an ass you come across as when you mock and belittle other peoples ideas. Here's an idea, before criticising others try applying the same criticisms to yourself first, maybe you'll find that your own attitudes are lacking. Maybe you'll realise that your own turds aren't exactly rose scented

see, i don't have to imagine that the world is magical to appreciate the beauty of our universe, because when you pay attention to the intrinsic beauty of the environment you live in, the complexity of the organisms that populate the earth, the remarkable consistency of nature, and the rhythmic order that holds it all together, it's hard not to be in awe of our natural universe. there's nothing wrong with having a powerful imagination, but if you can't appreciate the universe without deluding yourself with make-believe powers and basically trying to distort your own view of reality instead of augmenting it, then you lead a very pathetic existence because you're missing out on all the beauty and wonder that's right under your nose. you could spend your entire life looking for bigfoot and completely miss out on all the amazing creatures that exist in real life.

Of course, your whole argument falls apart when it is pointed out that the two worldviews are not mutually exclusive and that your assumption that I somehow fail to appreciate the same complexities trhat you do. The difference is that I recognise that perception is subjective and that there is an infinite spectrum of varying interpretations of reality which are all equally valid, no particular view is any greater than the others.

you do what you want. i'll stick to my logical and unaffected view of reality. i can't comprehend your psychic abilities, but you'll never comprehend the beauty of math and logic and their recurrent patterns in nature. [/quote]

LOL! yeah, cos only ideological adherents to reason and logic can appreciate such things. 8)

While you assert the superiority of your worldview you actually demostrate its flaws by making a stupid assumption that has little relationship to the truth

i might not be able to make a traffic light turn green on command, but i can lose myself in my thoughts for hours exploring the wonders of mathematical algorithms, logical relations, sequences, set theory, proofs, fractals, and other natural wonders of our universe that emerge from exercising my faculty of reason. natural wonders that i can construct and deconstruct and build infinitely many new and unique permutations out of. and while you guys hone your "thought energy" i'll be honing my cognitive abilities by gaining a better understanding of the metaphysical glue that keeps everything in our infinite and dynamic universe in perfect harmony.

Well, we'll overlook your bigoted inability to understand the principles of the argument you mock for the moment. Here's the thing, the two worldviews are not mutually exclusive and that I can easily do all that AND the thing you admit to not understanding, some of us can walk AND chew gum!

what's the fun of living in a world of "magic and splendour" if you have to drone out all logic and your own sense of reason, and live with your head buried in the sand?

Again, you're making flawed assumptions, I don't think logic needs to be 'droned out' rather it merely needs to be complemented with other tools for understanding reality. Just because you mock anything outside of the logic paradigm doesn't mean that we also dismissively mock the role logic can play in interpreting reality. You assume that we think of logic in the same way you think of "psychic abilities" but you're are wrong, which just goes to show the inflexibility of your worldview and how that impedes on its overall ability to effectively interpret reality.

you can assume that you have paranormal powers but are you gaining a better understanding of the universe by distorting your view of it? can you achieve an enlightened state by tossing your faculties of reason out the window? math and science have achieved some pretty remarkable things and have revolutionized our perception of the world as well as providing tons of practical applications. what has psychic powers done for humanity? do you gain as much inspiration or fulfillment from speculating on how you can channel your psychic energy as you would from studying how supernovas occur or how we all likely descended from single-celled organisms who formed into multicellular organisms similarly to the way our societies have formed to have specialization and mutual cooperative benefits? you deride logic and reason which manifests itself ubiquitously in nature with pervasive patterns of harmony and consistency, yet you embrace uninspired and inconsistent gibberish which you claim has demonstrated itself to be true, yet you seem to have to abandon all logic and reason to maintain this belief. how has it demonstrated itself to be true if you have no proof of its validity, no theory of how it works, and you can't even explain why you even believe in it? i guess santa claus and the easter bunny are real too by these standards...

i dunno, your reality just doesn't seem very appealing to me.

I DONT deride logic and reason, except in satirising your own condescending, holier-than-thou attitudes to show how much of an arse you come across as. Thing is, you don't HAVE to believe my claim that I can actively manifest my own reality, unlike you I would never have the gall to insist that my understanding of reality is absolute and that any other interpretation should be actively ridiculed in a spirit of bigoted hubris. I would NEVER be so arrogant to assume that just because I believe something then it must be right, I ALWAYS entertain the possibility that my opinions might be completely and utterly wrong. :\
 
killarava2day said:
Nothing at all, logic is an incredibly useful tool for understanding reality but it is not the ONLY tool for understanding reality. Logic and reason are useless for understanding the human subconscience, that doesn't in anyway take away from their usefulness for understanding a certain aspect of reality but recognises that for others they aren't so effective.
you just contradicted yourself since earlier you were trying to deride people who exercise reason.

Uh cos I'm not claiming to have "paranormal" abilities, I'm simply claiming that by employing positive thinking and following ones intuition then seeming coincidences pile up which open up positive oppurtunities. It is demonstratable to me that by intuitively following the synchronistic events then inexplicable coincidences arise offering abundence, my experience of reality is immeasurably improved.
that qualifies as belief in the paranormal as there's no logical or scientific explaination for these assumptions. look up the definition of paranormal.

Who's claiming "psychic" abilities? Not me. This is a perfect example of the bigotry of "skeptics", perhaps you should try to understand the subject matter before you attempt to deconstruct it. At least have the intellectual honesty to not misrepresent the position of those you seek to disprove. It amuses me that people criticise pseudo-sciences for their often shoddy methodology more often than not employ flawed methedology themselves. The double-standards are really quite breathtaking.
other people in this thread have claimed to be able to make traffic lights turn green on command, predict events in the future, etc. so i haven't misrepresented their position. you're just not very tactful at rebuttles. give me one example of critics of pseudo-sciences exercising such "shoddy methodology."

You're right but the irony is that I only took such a mocking tone in reaction to your own tactless responses in this thread, I just used your own methods except from the opposing view. Perhaps now you can see just how much of an ass you come across as when you mock and belittle other peoples ideas. Here's an idea, before criticising others try applying the same criticisms to yourself first, maybe you'll find that your own attitudes are lacking. Maybe you'll realise that your own turds aren't exactly rose scented
i was being facetious, but your post was plain immature as i've pointed out. i didn't have to resort to telling people to suck shit, or calling people dumb-arses. i simply demonstrated the absurdity of the sort of claims being made.

Of course, your whole argument falls apart when it is pointed out that the two worldviews are not mutually exclusive and that your assumption that I somehow fail to appreciate the same complexities trhat you do. The difference is that I recognise that perception is subjective and that there is an infinite spectrum of varying interpretations of reality which are all equally valid, no particular view is any greater than the others.
well, when you try to make fun of people for being "rigidly logical" that's what you're basically implying. if you do think reason is a virtue, you sure aren't acting like it.

While you assert the superiority of your worldview you actually demostrate its flaws by making a stupid assumption that has little relationship to the truth
what assumption was that? that people who abhor logic wouldn't appreciate math? i dunno, that seems like a pretty fair assumption to make. but you're waffling obviously.

Well, we'll overlook your bigoted inability to understand the principles of the argument you mock for the moment. Here's the thing, the two worldviews are not mutually exclusive and that I can easily do all that AND the thing you admit to not understanding, some of us can walk AND chew gum!
i'm a bigot because i disagree with you and i point out the flaws in your argument?

Again, you're making flawed assumptions, I don't think logic needs to be 'droned out' rather it merely needs to be complemented with other tools for understanding reality. Just because you mock anything outside of the logic paradigm doesn't mean that we also dismissively mock the role logic can play in interpreting reality. You assume that we think of logic in the same way you think of "psychic abilities" but you're are wrong, which just goes to show the inflexibility of your worldview and how that impedes on its overall ability to effectively interpret reality.
yes, so if someone tells me 2+2=5 and i don't believe them, then i'm being inflexible... you should re-read your last post. i think if you do, you'll see where i could have gotten the impression that you actually celebrate ignorance and not listening to reason.

I DONT deride logic and reason, except in satirising your own condescending, holier-than-thou attitudes to show how much of an arse you come across as. Thing is, you don't HAVE to believe my claim that I can actively manifest my own reality, unlike you I would never have the gall to insist that my understanding of reality is absolute and that any other interpretation should be actively ridiculed in a spirit of bigoted hubris. I would NEVER be so arrogant to assume that just because I believe something then it must be right, I ALWAYS entertain the possibility that my opinions might be completely and utterly wrong. :\
did i say that my understanding of reality is absolute? did i make any incendiary remarks as you have made? you clearly don't understand the art of satire. just because you act like a jack ass doesn't make you a satirist.
 
thursday said:


yes, because we all know that you can gain god-like abilities simply by taking psychedelic drugs. wow, you're a real bright one. 8(

stop abusing psychedelic drugs. you make the rest of us look bad.
 
Ephoria Of Love said:
First of all, deja vu is a feeling that one has seen or heard something before. If you could still not see how this could be applied to deja vu then I'm giving up.
And last...I was thinking that I acquired gods-like abilities after all those psychoactive substances I’ve taken over the years…but all this only my short term memory. You crashed me.

You are also right about my brain that you refer to as organ but I would prefer if you call it a “very complicated mechanism not yet fully researched”

Thanks.
and note that i didn't dismiss his beliefs off hand in my earlier posts. i actually tried to understand where he was coming from. but if someone thinks that they can gain god-like abilities by taking lots of psychedelic drugs, they're probably abusing psychedelics, and that's not very healthy for your brain. in any case, there's a huge difference between making a facetious remarks and immature name-calling.
 
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[mock][/mock]

Personally, i thionk ppl who aren't cooked on psychedelics are actrually sub-human...

*disclaimer*

i was tripping on mushroonms when i wrote that last post... I'll review it when i'm a little less twisted but if it doesn't make sense when straight i'll retract it with full apologies.
 
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