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Why should we legalize marijuana when we are phasing out tobacco use/marijuana 2nd hand smoke myths

I think anyone who has debated marijuana law reform has been faced with this argument. The opponent says something along the lines that when marijuana is legalized everyone and their grandma is going to be smoking on the streets, in restaurants and parks.

Lets ignore the fact that there is no evidence that the legality of drugs have any significant barring on usage. (See Portugal and Netherlands vs. countries that practice prohibition) They are also ignoring the fact that all the laws that concern tobacco use in public are going to apply to cannabis use. Even though I have some major qualms with these laws, it is better to come from this angle then to get wrapped up in the opponent's red herring.

Then they might say something along the lines that cannabis 2nd hand smoke is going to be more carcinogenic than tobacco, even though there is no evidence of users of cannabis developing tobacco related cancers, so why would non-users develop them?

They might then come from the angle that 2nd hand cannabis use would cause non-users to get high etc. There is no evidence that the "contact high" is anything more than a placebo effect. There have been several studies that have subjects exposed to 2nd hand cannabis smoke in enclosed spaces and they passed the lowest drug test cut-offs. It is this myth that even most on our side get wrapped up in. I have to admit there were times when I thought I was picking up a contact high but the science simply is not there. The term contact high really needs to be eliminated from our vocabulary.
 
^^^ For me, the only reason marijuana can be considered to have gateway effects is because people grow up their lives being told that it's wrong and dangerous, then you try it and it's awesome and doesn't make your life worse at all, and so you think "hmmm, what ELSE has the government been bullshitting me about..?"

This would definitely be changed for the better if MJ was made legal. :)
 
Kaneh Bosm said:
Cannabis is so addictive there are thousands in treatment for it.Too bad a third of them have not even used cannabis in the last month. Huh, how could that be?? According to US Department of Health and Human Services, one third of those in drug treatment have not used cannabis in the month prior to admission. The reason is that over half of those in treatment for cannabis dependence are there because a judge gave them a court order due to violations of prohibition! The government gets to have it's pie and eat it as well with these bogus statistics.
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YES! Although iam in Australia. I was at a friends house and we were on acid and a mate of mine had a psychosis flip out and cops ended up coming, anyway the cops found about .5 of a gram on the table, so we were given the option of either going to court, or going to a "drug diversion" program, so we chose drug diversion(der). No doubt our government would use us as part of the statistic. I think it's complete crap too, considering i did not want to go to drug diversion nor need it, all over .5grams!! funny thing was that the drug diversion program was just sitting in a room with some guy with old and outdated misinformation, with a video from the 90's saying marijuana causes more lung cancer then tobacco!!! i know right?? but anyway, its bullshit they use these numbers to use as propaganda against legalization
 
kelvanE said:
Marijuana is a gateway drug:

Besides possible exposure to additional drugs through social networking, marijuana use itself does not precipitate the desire or drive to find and take more drugs. In fact, it would likely be the case that if we legalized ganja we would encounter less illicit drug use because users would not have to go to places where other drugs may be available.
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I agree with this, if they can claim marijuana is a gateway drug, then alcohol could be just as much of gateway drug! in fact the Netherlands has one of the lowest percentages of hard drug users in the world....so obviously the country that is the most accepting to marijuana and has alot of users, also have one of the lowest in hard drug use, so how this theory of marijuana being a gateway drug is being accepted without any scientific fact i dont know...
 
yet another pro-marijuana circle jerk.

LMAO! this thread is comedy gold!!

Higher potency cannabis has a higher ration of cbd to thc which makes you sketch out less than low potency cannabis which has a much much lower ration of cbd to thc and you sketch out more because of this.

LOL!!!!!

what the fuck is a RATION??? seriously?
 
wungchow said:
yet another pro-marijuana circle jerk.

LMAO! this thread is comedy gold!!

Higher potency cannabis has a higher ration of cbd to thc which makes you sketch out less than low potency cannabis which has a much much lower ration of cbd to thc and you sketch out more because of this.

LOL!!!!!

what the fuck is a RATION??? seriously?
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hey.


fuck you.
 
yeah man why come to this forum/thread if all your going to do is rag on the people in it, completely pointless. go be a keyboard warrior somewhere else please
 
I just carry around "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer

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Read it, then pwn newbs.
 
medical_meccanica said:
^^^ For me, the only reason marijuana can be considered to have gateway effects is because people grow up their lives being told that it's wrong and dangerous, then you try it and it's awesome and doesn't make your life worse at all, and so you think "hmmm, what ELSE has the government been bullshitting me about..?"

This would definitely be changed for the better if MJ was made legal. :)
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I think its a gateway because marijuana being illegal, it is often not the only thing your dealer is holding
 
Mystery Brew said:
I think its a gateway because marijuana being illegal, it is often not the only thing your dealer is holding
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That's circumstantial, though, because there's definitely a decent amount of weed-only connects.

Shit, I've been bitched at before when I was younger for asking my pot dealer if he knew where I could get any rolls or Xanax at.
 
The only reason I started "trying" new drugs was because my dealer and friends had them. I'd say that for most people, they try new drugs SOONER because they are exposed to them while buying weed.

Another way most people try new drugs is by getting them from non-dealers, AKA kids with benzo scripts or adderall for legit reasons. Pharms are the new drug of choice for many, many people.
 
Jibult said:
That's circumstantial, though, because there's definitely a decent amount of weed-only connects.

Shit, I've been bitched at before when I was younger for asking my pot dealer if he knew where I could get any rolls or Xanax at.
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Yeah, most of my weed connects barely, if ever, sell other drugs. When they do, it's usually shrooms.
 
Not sure if this has already been mentioned but to anyone that wants some good info on counter-arguments to Cannabis myths, the first 20mins or so of 'The Union - The Business Behind Getting High' focuses on the crap that you usually hear. That would be my counter argument.
 
Pain killers, muscle relaxers, etc are only used to treat one symptom, so multiple medication is required to treat chronic diseases, example: cancer. Which has way more side-effects than it helps. Not to mention withdrawing off them. Putting down a joint is less of a problem then setting aside a bottle of pain killers

As for marijuana being a gateway drug, it is more than likely the first illicit illegal substances a person would see, only because its illegal. Its a gateway in the sense that its probably not the only drug a "dealer" is holding. If anything wouldn't cigarettes, or alcohol be a gateway? If your going by the first "drug" a kid will encounter, not to mention caffeine-a widely accepted stimulant in your can of cola, If by drug you mean psychoactive substance--substance thats changes ones perception, consciousness, mood, behavior. If anything alcohol offers a change in ones conciousness, etc, etc probably to a great extent and more, an defiantly entails alot more risky behaviors than marijuana, being that alcohol lowers inhibitions, social anxiety, a definite distortion in one's senses--with all the combined your asking for trouble, and it is proven with drunk drivers, drunk fights, alcohol poisoning etc. Plus you do not need medical records, or doctors approval, you only have to be 21. I feel that alcohol is exposed to the youth alot more, via television, in your fridge, etc

Point is, sure you can point out the flaws in anything, just depends on which side you stand really. but which can cause a greater risk, a drug you can drink, take to much? or something with no documentation of overdose, and physically will never be possible. Weigh the pros and cons

sorry if its a little choppy adding on as I go
 
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Cface said:
Marijuana promotes Neurogenesis... it does the exact opposite of killing brain cells.
I feel that the reason marijuana will not be legalized is because they don't even want alcohol or tobacco legal, that's why they give it Sin Taxes (That was the original intent of Sin Taxes for alcohol and tobacco). But of course we aren't the puritan society we once were, so maybe our government's greed will take over and see the profit-potential in taxing marijuana.

Hey FlamingSeveredHead, just use a Vaporizer, marinol is shit, smoke is bad too but i want all those cannabinoids that marinol lacks so vape vape vape!

P.S. FlamingSeveredHead, once you come to the realization (or perhaps actualization) of what marijuana can do for you both mentally and physically (I mean that positively) you may appreciate it, love it, and think life in a more appealing perspective. But that's just my 10 cents.
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smoke however can kill braincells. Also, society has gotten far more puritanical as we've entered the modern age, just because it seems less puritanical due to a relaxation on censorship doesn't mean that it is, think of how alcohol, cigarette use and casual sex were far more common during the late 1920s and 1930s (disregarding prohibition, because alcohol consumption remained unchanged)
 
A strong argument that is often used against the legalisation/decriminalisation of marijuana is the link to schizophrenia/mental disorders and with an increase in pot smokers the extra costs etc. that the government would then have to front to combat this(not to mention how it effects those experiencing these psychological effects).

A lot of people even on these forums know someone who has developed some forms of mental disorders possibly related to smoking weed.

I agree that it is nowhere near as bad as it is being made out by some and the law is stupid especially with alcohol being legal and the cost of this to society blah blah blah.. Just interested to see if people can provide information in relation to what is myth and what isn't regarding the psychological effects.
 
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